Starrynight

6 hours ago, SJB123 said:

HOT OFF THE PRESS. News from DIBP. Grandfathering for 457 visa holders as at 18th April 2017, you will STILL be eligible for temporary transitional pathway to permanent residency after 2 years (not 3) with your current employer. 

This includes the above 45's....announced at a migration conference by DIBP, supposedly being published next week..........

 

 

Sounds great but the link doesn't work  

9 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

 

 

The Department of Immigration has released information on their website suggesting that transitional provisions will be in place for those who held a 457 visa on 18 April 2017 to be eligible for employer nominated permanent residence after March 2018.

 

At this stage, no details have been released other than the following:

 

Advice on transitional provisions

 

Some agents continue to seek advice in relation to the permanent skilled transitional provisions for March 2018 (including TRT arrangements).

 

As previously advised, from March 2018, individuals who were existing subclass 457 visa holders (or subclass 457 applicants) as at 18 April 2017 will continue to have access to an employer sponsored pathway to permanent residence. Detailed information in relation to the transitional provisions is not, however, yet available.

 

Work is still in progress to provide further policy clarification regarding TRT transitional caseloads for March 2018. We hope to be able to provide additional advice on this in the next edition of the newsletter. The FAQs on the website will also be updated when this information is available.

 

 

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At last!!! Our future looks as if it has been saved.

1 minute ago, SJB123 said:

Thanks so much for your support Starrynight!! I'm not sure about the facebook thing, maybe try posting the link on your facebook wall, make it public if you can?? No clue with technology 

I've shared it and asked everyone to help. Fingers crossed

45 minutes ago, SJB123 said:

Thanks, you too. I'm terrified at the prospect of going back to the UK and really hope they see sense for us, we are human after all..

Sorry to keep endlessly plugging our petition, but if theres any chance you could forward it to your family, friends, as many people as you can think of and ask them to sign it I would be really grateful, if it makes a difference/grants us so called "old duffers" an exemption it'll be worth it and I'm willing to try anything to stay in the country I now call home  

https://www.change.org/p/peter-dutton-give-me-the-chance-to-apply-for-pr-from-a-457-visa-granted-before-age-limit-dropped-to-45 

Me too.  Don't want to go back. I've signed the petition. Is there a way to forward to all fb friends in one click?

1 minute ago, SJB123 said:

Youre right Starry night. I dont know why its so hard for people to understand that....the only route available for us would have been the 2 year trt anyway, which doesnt need a skills assessment....I am hoping that we are still able to follow that route next December

Yes I know Good luck with it. It will be August next year for us hopefully.

12 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said:

incorrect. If you do not have two years experience within Australia you need a skills assessment unless an exemption under Australian study.

Hi Verystormy,

SJB123 is not saying that. We know you need a skills assessment for the direct entry route. We both know it is 2 years for the other route...and we were eligible to apply after 2 years under that route, before the age limit was changed.

41 minutes ago, Mcguinnessp1968 said:

No my situation is slightly different in that my 457 has recently been granted but I haven’t travelled yet, however I’m 49 so my pathway to the 186 has gone, however I did start the process before the rule changes.
I’m still coming over, as things stand I can renew my visa once so it’s a minimum 4 year opportunity possibly 8

Oh I see ...I have to say I wouldn't have come if there was no chance of PR, but now that I am here it has been amazing and it will be something I would never forget or regret (if it doesn't work out).

1 hour ago, Mcguinnessp1968 said:

 

I fear you are banging your head off a brick wall.
I presume the route to PR you are referring to is the 186 TRT stream?
If so then you are entirely right in my opinion to quote this as a route to PR from a 457.
However I would say it is what it is and no amount of wailing and gnashing of teeth is going to change the situation. And I speak as someone in exactly the same position.
 

 

How are you in same position may I ask? Are you here on a 457 visa too with changes having been made?

How are you in same position? Are you in Australia on a 457 too?

18 hours ago, SJB123 said:

With all due respect we were well aware before we made the move that 457s were temporary. Yes we knew there was a chance we wouldnt get PR from a 457 and it was NOT a decision we took lightly. We made an informed choice to move down under, as my husband has a permanent job contract and many people before us have successfully converted a 457 to PR after the obligatory 2 years. 

May I ask what is your situation now, having been on a 457 visa, am I right to assume you are now a permanent resident?

Hi Starry night,

I understand completely. We came over 4 months before the changes and are 9 months short on the temporary residence transition stream. I think this pathway is what most people convert to PR from a 457 (direct entry wasnt an option for us before July anyway) not on the assumption of PR, but on the realistic chance of PR!!

Existing 457 visa holders should have grandfathering rights, surely?? I hope you are right that this is resolved!!

You dont need a skills assessment for the 2 year temporary residence transition stream, just direct entry.

Hi SJB123,

I hope so too. I just wonder how and when we will find out!? At least the company has no worries, so we are going to try to stay positive.

10 minutes ago, Pura Vida said:

I'm sure you work hard. Just as I'm sure many on 457's do. Put it this way. The 457 can indeed be withdrawn if employer claims employee not up to task. It is a visa that can be abused by employers to mistreat staff.

In your particular case, I don't see a company, letting such a valued employee go. It should be in the hands of so said company to do the graft and ensure continuity. Surely? Would you on grounds of having no family remaining in UK have a base to stay as well?

. Always an element of risk though doing things in a temporally fashion, though at times likely unavoidable. But Good Luck on your endeavours to remain.

Our ages made the risk unavoidable I'm afraid, yes. And yes, the company have said they will do whatever it takes, so hopefully it will get sorted. Am I right in saying that by March 2018 we will know for sure? Thanks for the good wishes.

3 minutes ago, Pura Vida said:

Well it certainly did appear to develop those expectations, thanks to complacent government, but that was not the set out intention. I don't blame for a minute, people that have been caught up, believing PR should be a matter of course , but I do those with influence that allowed this to get out of hand, al sides of politics, so can only hope the situation is clarified. A temporally visa is what it says on the packet. Of course there will be those where it could progress to something else, but should never be an expectation.

 

Yes it should have been made more clear. I understand there will be people who should not get PR for many reasons. We are not in that category and we contribute to this country by working hard. I am from the UK and my immediate family are all here and have been for most of their lives. If we are asked to leave, we will see our family no more, except for holidays, and I will be the only one left in the UK. The company will also be affected as my husband is highly valued. This cannot be right and individual circumstances should be considered don't you think?

Just now, The Pom Queen said:

We seem to be going around in circles so it will be the last I comment on the matter...

The 457 Visa scheme is a short term TEMPORARY VISA and offers no guarantee to you or your family. With the 457 Visa, if your 457 Visa Employer Sponsor terminates your employment, then you may only be given 60 days to find a new 457 Visa approved Employer Sponsor, apply for another substantive visa or leave Australia!

I am totally aware of all this, but again, it does have a PR route and we came on that assumption. The employer expected this too. I did say in my last comment that if it is due to termination of employment, or the job coming off the list, I would agree and understand. I would be just as upset but would have to understand this. The reason is not one related to the employer or the employee though, so I expect this will be resolved and honoured.

19 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

Many of our members were lucky to secure a route to PR from the 457 but everyone comes here knowing it is a risk and may never happen. 

Yes but if it doesn't happen it should be for a reason linked to the job not an age limit being changed I would have thought.

This site is for people emigrating to Oz and for people who want to advise and help them, or that's what I thought?

19 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

Hun I really do feel for you, I don't like to see people's dreams vanish, especially when they have given up so much to get here. Unfortunately though the 457 was never ever a permanent route in to the country, it was never advertised as such and it always stated it was temporary. I know of a young family with 6 children who moved over on a student visa, back in the day that was also being used as a stepping stone in to the country, unfortunately they clamped down and this poor family returned home to nothing.

At one point they use to say if you had Citizenship you were safe, rules have changed again and now even people with citizenship can be deported (although I do agree with the reasoning as it's usually terror/crime related)

Again...thank you Pom Queen. However, the 457 visa does have a route to PR through the TRT scheme, so as long as the job is still on the list, and the visa holder has a promise of a permanent job with the employer, this route should still apply.

10 minutes ago, Mcguinnessp1968 said:

 

My 457 application was far from easy

 

2 minutes ago, The Pom Queen said:

@Starrynight here was the article I referred to earlier, unfortunately it wasn't an isolated incident there have been thousands of cases.

http://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/hindi/en/article/2017/09/06/sushil-kumar-faces-court-over-alleged-exploitation-457-visa-worker

I don't, and never have disputed this. I am merely saying there is a route to PR for 457 holders and that has been taken away.

2 minutes ago, The Pom Queen said:

Hi @Starrynight please try not to read people's comments the wrong way. It can be hard at times withnthe written word but 99% of our members are very friendly and helpful. Unfortunately @AJ is correct in that the system was abused. People were brought in to Oz with their skills but then used as dogs bodies, it was terrible. A lot of these workers put up with terrible conditions because they didn't want to leave the country. There was one just recently where they paid the worker the going rate then took him straight to a cash machine and made him pay most of it back as "board and lodgings".

The 457 was never a permanent route in to Australia and for many years we have seen families sell their homes, spend their life savings only for their contracts to be terminated and get sent back home with nothing, if they were lucky the employer paid their flights. Something had to be done, changes had to be made but for me it was to protect these poor families.

I understand all of this Pom Queen and that is awful. However, most companies and 457 visa holders do the right thing. Plue, there is a route to PR that comes with the 457 visa and that is what we had... until they changed the age limit. That is what I am talking about. If the job disappeared off the list, or the company terminated the employment, fair enough, but the route to PR should stay for people who are still employed etc.

2 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

It is on the short term list which allows forces to sponsor for a 186. WA was a regular recruiter from the UK though hasn't for a few years. SA has recently recruited and I believe NT have. The WA Gold Police also recruit international for police with very specialised skills. 

Doesn't sound good. I'll tell my future son in law to stick with his toolmaking ha ha.

3 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Sorry, but there was never a true path from a 457 to PR. You had to apply for - and be eligible - for a totally new visa. All the 457 allowed was that a person applying via company sponsored PR would need a skills assessment if they worked for two years for an employer. 

I doubt they will raise the age ceilings again, in fact if anything it looks like more restrictions are coming in including a possible age ceiling for 457 visas of 45. 

3 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Sorry, but there was never a true path from a 457 to PR. You had to apply for - and be eligible - for a totally new visa. All the 457 allowed was that a person applying via company sponsored PR would need a skills assessment if they worked for two years for an employer. 

I doubt they will raise the age ceilings again, in fact if anything it looks like more restrictions are coming in including a possible age ceiling for 457 visas of 45. 

This is not true. There is a true pathway to PR without a skills assessment and that is why we came here, on the understanding we could do this. They have changed the goalposts on this age limit recently and that is what we are disputing.

12 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

Individual forces to recruit and sponsor PR. 

Hi Verystormy, it doesn't look like it's on the list, so where did you find this information please?

1 minute ago, AJ said:

No I dont, what is your problem, I actually found the link and posted it.  Will make sure I dont try to help you in future!  

Look, apologies for taking it the way I did, but tbh I am just sick of the way people on the other thread (that you responded to just minutes before this) are treating people. I guess I just felt you were having a go. 

Don't mean to be rude, but you obviously had a gripe with on another thread and decided to try to start it on here too! If we googled everything what's the point of Pomsinoz?

9 minutes ago, AJ said:

https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/combined-stsol-mltssl

 

There you go have a look

Thanks, but I asked for an answer. I am aware of how to find it thank you but just didn't have time!

Is 'police officer' on the long term list please?