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Hi coolmotu,

I lodged online application in the 2nd week of last November and I am currently living in Chatswood let's keep updated each other.

22 hours ago, coolmotu said:

Any updates for the people who applied in October 2017??? I have applied on 30th Oct 2017.

Hi Coolmuto, are you based in NSW ?

1 minute ago, catatemyfish said:

Does anyone have the link to the timeline Google doc they could post?

 

TIA

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rLZKwjhbfXLeqWyX3mqxU3p4SOfFedG7WanXQSwyrfA/edit#gid=1621018804

for paper application will DIBP send acknowledgement letter by post or by email ?

3 hours ago, imthedave said:

current citizenship act is 4 year lawful residence with any visa including 1 yr PR visa

government is planning to get new citizenship act passed parliament , proposed new citizenship law is 4 year PR and IELTS 5/5/5/5

3 hours ago, imthedave said:

Thanks for the answer but I think I’ve managed to clarify with immigration.

As she’s under 16, she is not governed by the overall residency timeline requirements and must ‘just’ be a permanent resident.

If she was over 16 at the point we could apply then she would have to do the 4 years but since our 4 years are up in any of the original scenarios before she turns 16, she can be included directly on ours

 

53 minutes ago, Goan said:

Mine was sent via email

@Goan,

so DIBP did not sent you notice through immiAccount "View Application Mailbox" ??

10 minutes ago, sandym said:

I haven’t posted here since we initially applied for our PR, but have been reading so thought I would update our timeline.

I applied (inc children) on 10th may 2017 and my husband 11th May.

Brisbane Office (Moreton Bay Council). Skilled 175pr visa.

Invitation for Test email received : 22nd November

Test: 28th November

Checked immi account this morning, 30th November: APPROVED

Waiting for approval letter and ceromony now.

Hi Sandym are you from low risk countries or high risk countries ?

6 hours ago, jcg said:

Skilled Independent visa (subclass 189)

looks like dibp gives citizenship application for skilled migration visa holder higher priority

29 minutes ago, jcg said:

@jcg

may i know which pr visa you are holding ? thanks !!

29 minutes ago, jcg said:

 

 

Today I've done the test and my application status changed from Received to Approved in the afternoon.

Council: North Ryde, NSW
Office: Sydney
Applied Online: 12/05/ 2017
Acknowledgement: 12/06/2017
Mail test received date: 14/11/2017
Test date: 28/11/2017 (100%)
Online status to Approved 28/11/2017

6 minutes ago, Roberta2 said:

All applications from 20th April were frozen.  You will have to wait until Parliament decides on the new legislation.

 

thanks, it means DIBP has not implemented new rule into online application.

Hi All,

I got PR in 2016/July and I am about to apply for citizenship online and page 4 of citizenship application passed my "residence eligibility" so that I can proceed my online application. Does it mean DIBP has not implemented new rule onto online application ? Any one with similar situation like me (1 year PR) ?

Just now, wombatinabox said:

Hey mate, yes everyone is getting that's error. We don't know yet if they blocked it entirely or its a temporary glitch, we will find out in coming days. 

Meanwhile you can report the error to Immionline Tech support: https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa/Immi/immiaccount-technical-support-form

when did everyone start to suffer from that error ?

I just started my online application for citizenship and was stuck at page 4 - Critical data confirmation as below.

Error message is "We are currently experiencing a technical issue with our systems. You will not be able to proceed with this application at this time as this service is temporarily unavailable. Please try again later."

Anyone is suffering from this problem ?

Is DIBP blocking all the ongoing application ?

15 hours ago, wombatinabox said:

Hi Folks,

Important reminder, The following Senators will be the main deciding factor if this Citizenship Bill goes ahead or rejected. So if you are affected by this bill, without delay make sure you email the following senators with your story and opposition to this bill and ask them to reject the bill:

1. Nick Xenophon (Team Xenophon Party) senator.xenophon@aph.gov.au

2. Stirling Griff (Team Xenophon Party) senator.griff@aph.gov.au

3. Skye Kakoschke-Moore (Team Xenophon Party) senator.kakoschke-moore@aph.gov.au

4. Derryn Hinch (Justice Party) senator.hinch@aph.gov.au

 5. Lucy Gichuhi (Independent) senator.gichuhi@aph.gov.au

Points you can mention (Retrospective/backdating nature of this Bill, Applications freeze since April20, extra 4 years wait for non-PR, English level 6 test, extra votes they can win by rejecting this bill from near-future citizens, new powers for Minister to override courts, any other stuff affecting you, etc )

I have personally received responses from all of these Senators, spoke to some of them and in some cases their policy assistants, who all confirmed that they are leaning towards rejecting or watering down the bill but haven't made a decision yet (on the fence), continued pressure from the public like yourselves will help steer them in the right direction. I have also been in touch with Labour and Greens Reps & senators who are united in strongly opposing the bill.

In addition, it also helps contacting your local MP and State Senator (regardless of Party),  you can find them using the following tool: http://www.aph.gov.au/Senators_and_Members

I hope most of you got the time to email the Senate committee with your submissions, these submissions will be reviewed by the Senate:  legcon.sen@aph.gov.au  (Deadline July 21st )

Keep up the pressure, we can do it!

my local MP is Alex Hawke Assistant Minister for Immigration and Border Protection but it looks like it's not worthy to talk to liberty party MP for this bill.

Just received the community newsletter sent from office of alex hawke (assistant minister of dibp)

and he is asking for community survey ...

is it too late to raise up my complaint against proposed change of citizenship bill ?

3 hours ago, Eddie937 said:

I received one too.

6 hours ago, wombatinabox said:

Thanks for posting this and sharing it 

That officially confirms the application freeze. Not good!

 with this letter sent by DIBP on June 12 do you guys think this letter could be escalated to AAT and request DIBP following "existing" citizenship law ?

49 minutes ago, Amy Zhang said:

 

totally agree !

16 minutes ago, Zet01 said:

Both my husband and I submitted our appeal. Hopefully they will consider. We can only hope for the best.

 

curiously, how did you submit appeal without decision of DIBP ?

16 minutes ago, Amy Zhang said:

It's true. However, the staff in DIBP assume that they will have no law to follow at this stage for the applications lodged on or after 20th, April. The only thing they can do is waiting, although it shows the Citizenship Act 2007 is CURRENTLY IN FORCE. How stupid it is! They also tried to convince us to wait for at least 6 months, since on the DIBP website, it says all the detailed information will be released at the end of this year.

"The Government will introduce new citizenship related legislation into the

Parliament, informed by responses to this paper, by the end of 2017."

THEN HOW WILL THEY MANAGE APPLICATIONS AFTER 20/04/2017 BEFORE THE END OF 2017 ?

2 hours ago, dredg97 said:

Let's be honest, I do not agree with few aspects of the new proposal, but I understand and totally accept that the Government has the power to strengthen the process and introduce a new law. An Act can also be retrospective, even if a transitional period, as occurred in the past when the Citizenship Act 2007 was introduced, would probably be a more appropriate approach.

Having said that, what is truly unacceptable is how applications after April 20th are currently managed.

It is clearly stated that the applicable legislation CURRENTLY IN FORCE is the Citizenship Act 2007, see below:

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Series/C2007A00020

as such, the Citizenship Act 2007 should still be applied in the interim, until the new Citizenship Act 2017 (or 2018) is enacted, no matter if it will be retroactive or not.

it means how DIBP managed application lodged on or after 20/04/2017 is against the  law  - Citizenship Act 2007 !!

 

37 minutes ago, wombatinabox said:

Just needs a case at the high court and this freeze and back dating will be thrown out by a judge.

but if DIBP pend all the application and neither approve nor reject, just keep saying "the case is still processing" how can we applicants lodge our application to AATA for review ?

7 hours ago, dredg97 said:

Please read this legal case:

Raveendran and Minister for Immigration and Border Protection ( Citizenship ) [2017] AATA 653 (5 May 2017)

http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/2017/653.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=citizenship

Considerations section, n.42-44, number 44 in particular

42. For the sake of completeness, I note that on 20 April 2017, that is, on the day of the hearing, a joint media statement was published on the website of the Department of Immigration and Border Protection. The media statement was by the Hon. Peter Dutton MP Minister for Immigration and Border Protection, and the Hon. Malcolm Turnbull, Prime Minister, titled “Strengthening the Integrity of Australian  Citizenship ”.
43. The joint media statement provided in part as follows:

The Turnbull Government will strengthen Australian  citizenship  by putting Australian values at the heart of  citizenship  processes and requirements.
Our reforms will ensure applicants are competent in English, have been a permanent resident for at least four years and commit to embracing Australian values.

44. In this decision, I take no account of the pending changes to the law governing Australian  Citizenship . These announced alterations have not been legislated into law, nor has the date of their operation been announced.

 

 

"ON 20/04/2017" when they announced this new rule, wow could respondent  - DIBP say this young lady can still apply citizenship in next 9 months ?

This young lady can not afford her University tuition, and it did not count on significant hardship ?

Also, refer to Emeritus Professor Ron McCallum of USYD law school (http://sydney.edu.au/law/about/people/profiles/ron.mccallum.php)

these announced alterations have NOT been legislated into law, not has the date of their operation been announced.

HOW CAN DIBP PEND ALL THE APPLICATION LODGED ON OR AFTER 20/04/2017 ?

44. In this decision, I take no account of the pending changes to the law governing Australian  Citizenship . These announced alterations have not been legislated into law, nor has the date of their operation been announced.

16 minutes ago, seraphim said:

Yep, as they would still require the test, interview, English language test etc, none of which are in place. Until a new law is drafted, discussed, amended, approved, voted through to the statute books, and then AFTER that, a new test etc are created and a test provider commissioned etc, nothing will now happen. Not the employees fault at DIAC, but what on earth are they supposed to DO for the next 18 months? sit on their hands?

 

it's a bit like saying "we're going  to change the law to make something illegal, but it's not in force, but don't do anything because you might break the law we haven't written yet". 

 

Applications should by law follow the law IN FORCE, until they change it, and if it's so important, then they should priority change the law. 

 

Just very frustrating, shows a level of federal incompetence and Malcolm's panic really. In comparison to state government, I applied for a working with children check, and got my clearance in less than 1 hour, plus the 15 minute wait at Service NSW.  Now THAT was efficient government! 

Between Australian Citizenship Bill 2005 to Australian Citizenship Act 2007, immigration office still processed citizenship application under the regulation of Australia Citizenship Act 1948. I do not know if this is against any law if DIBP starts to pend all the application lodged on or after 20/04/2017.

1 hour ago, seraphim said:

Confirmed. Just been on the phone to immi, and received their official "unofficial' can't say but.  They were very honest. Regardless of application (i.e we are 4 years PR and British citizens very straightforward etc) nothing is going to happen to ANY post 20th application until new laws are discussed, drafted, new tests pledges and exams made and tested, so for anyone 21st and later , look at 2 years not 8-10 months, just for the government to pull it's proverbial finger out.  

 

Can we get a slow hand clap for Turnbull and his knee jerk panic about being ousted as leader!

 

so those applicants who fulfill 4 years PR requirement will also need to wait till this new rules passed parliament ?