engaus

Thanks for your replies, just to confirm; we read that documents do not need JP certification if you are applying online. Does this count for all documents? We have collated all required evidence as suggested in the migration workbook as well as all of our personal identification documents and we were planning to visit the JP tomorrow and have all of them witnessed as we are unaware of exactly what the online system will ask us for after payment. If this isnt the case, we might save us a long wait in the JP office!!

Clear, coloured scans of original documents are fine. Presuming everything you have is in English.

The only thing you need to worry about is making sure form 888's are witnessed - this of course is different to needing something certified. But some people don't know that and assume they won't need to witness form 888's.

No such thing as front loading medical a and police checks for partner visas anymore (well in terms of using it to speed up an application anyway).

and if you have applied from an embassy like London (and you have applied for a partner visa as you seem to have), your acknowledgment letter will have details about waitin to be asked to complete these to ensure your given the maximum amount of time to enter Australia.

You pay, do your sponsors form and upload documents - most mara agents I know suggest you can take about 2 weeks.

Your BVA is sent to you almost immediately after you pay, some people have said it can take a little longer e.g 24 hours.

Why would the fact that you can buy a house give you a visa? It maybe possible to get a visa through having substantial funds, I don't know, but why because you can buy a house. Why not, I can afford to buy a boat, or a car or a whatever?

There are countries in Europe that do this so it's not ridiculous for someone from that part of the world - as the OP is - to think it might be possible.

Then you have these kind of articles kicking about:

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/citizenship-for-sale-government-explores-pricebased-immigration-system-20150503-1myvwk.html

OP - you could possibly look into becomming a teacher of textiles design with some addiitonal study if moving to Australia is something you are keen to do. Can't promise teaching jobs would remain on the SOL/CSOL lists though...

Best of luck

You can use form 888 (doesn't matter if you are not an Australian citizen) and get it witnessed by a solicitor (my friend wrote me one and walked into a solictors who signed it for a fiver)

Yes. Have a look at form 888 - it meantions on there that if you are not Australian or a PR that you can still write a statement but it still be signed by the equilavent authority (like a notary public). You certainly don't have to go to an embassy.

my partners British parents wrote about:

1. When they met me

2. When my partner and I moved in together

3. How they witnessed us as a couple - and could see clearly we were in a loving relationship

4. How I had become part of the family

5. How I'd spent Christmas and other occasions with them and often visited them with my partner

6. Our plans when we were in australia, how they new we wanted to purchase a house

that type of thing...it can be typed or handwritten on a bit of paper. I can't remember how they addressed it, something like to whome it may concern or something!

Thank you for your reply Engaus, I am currently in Australia. I had seen the segment on the website that you quoted and the only reason it threw me off was the "if you are outside of Australia". But surely this can't be that uncommon? And you would expect that what you have quoted would be in relation to my scenario?

You don't really have a choice if you don't know a single other person with PR or who is a citizen haha. So supply your 1 stat dec and then get as many other statements completed and witnessed as possible by other family members and friends. The statements form part of the social evidence of your relationship so to compensate for only having 1 stat dec just provide further social evidence e.g the additional statements, flight tickets, proof of holidays/weekends away together, wedding/engagement/birthday invites, pictures of you with family and friends. This is what we did when we applied for a partner visa.

We have seen a few surprise visits from IMMI for people going from an 820/309 (temporary) to an 801 (permanent) on another forum I frequent that's more focused on partner visas. Otherwise the visits have happened before any visa (temp or permanent) has been granted.

If you are granted an 189 you obtain that visa in your own right as far as I am aware, so even if you are no longer together soon after you arrive the visa cannot be taken away from you - unless IMMI are informed and given (or they find) evidence of you obtaining your visa fraudulently e.g by pretending to be in a relationship with someone just to get a visa

If between the two of you, you only know one Australia PR/Citizen (note that you can get Australian PR to complete them, not just citizens) then obtain statements from the UK or NZ citizens that you know. The more statements the better really. The statements won't be considered stat decs but better to provide them than to only supply 1 stat dec.

Not sure where you are at the moment (in or outside Australia) but this is taken from the IMMI website:

"..are unable to get an Australian citizen or Australian permanent residentto complete a statutory declaration in support of your relationship with your partner, you may obtainstatements from people who know you and your sponsor. Such statements are not statutory declarationsunder Australian law. However, in accordance with policy, they should be witnessed or certified accordingto the legal practices of the relevant country. Failing that, they should be witnessed by a personwhose occupation or qualification is comparable to a person included in the prescribed persons list onpages 29–30. This person should sign, date and specify their occupation or qualification at the bottom ofthe statement."

Hi there,

 

how many witnesses do you need to 'witness' the Form 888 Statutory Dec? Most sites/official documents allude to 'a person', which would mean one witness; however there was a document on the immi site that said you needed two witnesses! We just received our completed Form 888's from family members in Australia with only one witness (a Justice of the Peace). Is this sufficient and how many did you have?

 

Cheers!!

B

they mean that you need atleast 2 form 888's - so two witnesses to your relationship. You only require one person to witness the statement.

Thank you for your replies. What do you do for witness statements then? Do they write them out then scan or fill the form out on the computer

Witness statements/Form 888 still need to be witnessed. So you would need to get them written up online, printed, witnessed, then uploaded to your application. Or handwritten, witnessed then scanned and uploaded online.

Definetly online.

Pros:

1. Don't need anything certified if you can colour scan your official documents

2. Bridging visa received almost instantly (if you need it)Ability add more evidence as you go very easily

3. You can fill in all the forms and then have about 2 weeks to add all your evidence

4. Knowing that they have received your application and evidence unlike posting

5. IMMI prefer online applications because there are easier to go through

I applied online and would not choose to apply by paper when times comes for our 801.

Fair enough. But if the OP has only got a 12 month RRV, he has been in Australia for less than two of the last five years and is not planning to return for 9 more months. I cannot see how that would be "usually resident" in Australia, using even the most generous interpretation. Personally, I wouldn't gamble thousands of dollars on getting a sympathetic Case Officer when it would be a much safer bet to return to Australia and sponsor onshore. I'm guessing that the MARA agent reached the same conclusion.

Then I guess we will agree to disagree given neither of us are agents.

There are lots of things in the partner visa booklet that can be interpreted in different ways.

This is something I have seen many MARA agents mention:

'Usually resident' is not defined in migration legislation, although the policy intent was for it to provide a test of the sponsors commitment to

Australia and capacity to support yourself and any eligible dependent

family members. As a matter of policy, generous interpretation is usually

supported, particularly given the increasing impact globalisation has on

where people choose temporarily to live and work. Therefore in the absence

of periods of long term residence in Australia, weight may be accorded to

your sponsor’s 'firm intention to reside' in Australia.

a PR doesn't have to be living in Australia to sponsor a partner (I have seen people who have only validated their visa but never lived in Australia sponsor partners). But I believe they would need to show intentions of moving there e.g job offer, friends/family, house etc etc. Same as a RRV.

if it was me I would apply now if I could and get the process underway. Processing times for partner visas from London are 10-14 months, most I have seen lately have been getting approved at about the 10 month time frame. So if you apply in May, get it approved around fen she could possibly follow you out there. May be a case of you going ahead her for a month or so but you would use that time to get set up, find work, a place to live etc. If she applies onshore it's more expensive, the processing time is longer and she would be put on a bridging visa for almost that entire duration which a lot of people find it very hard to find any decent work on. There is also a possibility that you would be questioned at the border on your intentions in Australia - if she is on a tourist visa and you are PR. They do reserve the right to turn people away an cancel tourist visas if they don't believe you have genuine intentions. But I can't comment on the probability of that.

Make sure the daughter who is studying law does some thorough research into whats required to be a lawyer here. I would not suggest that she qualify's and then comes straight to Australia. We have a HUGE oversupply of law graduates and she will struggle to find work if she has no legal experience.

She will also need to complete additional study at university (in Australia) to ensure her degree is comparable to that of an Australian degree. My partner had a UK law degree and was required to study 4 additional units to be admitted into Victoria to practice. This cost him $20,000.

My partner has now returned to the UK because of the difficulty he had in finding work in this sector.

You don't provide a lot of information e.g what visa are they actually on? So it's hard to give you any advice!

if the father obtained PR and then sponsored the child and his wife on a 309 or 820 visa then the child will have already undergone and passed the medical. So when it comes to PR (which is looked at 2 years after the application of the 820 or 309) another medical will not be done - just additional paperwork will need to be supplied to support that the parents relationship is genuine and ongoing. The child and mother will then be granted PR.

but your entire post is very confusing so this is me assuming the child and mother are on a 309 or 820.

I am going alone yes - I'm not planning to move any furniture at all, I just don't think 8 standard 50x40x30 boxes is very much? I planned to take for instance: kitchen stuff, bedding, small lamps, photo frames etc... I don't have a huge amount of stuff to be honest, but it's probably more than 8 boxes worth.

I had 8 boxes for two people when I moved! Wouldn't bother taking pretty much everything you listed except maybe photos if they were particularly personal. You can buy it all here pretty cheaply.

what i am getting at is if you want to be in this not so nice areas you've really got to have some serious coin behind you to do so, i was a heavy diesel fitter in the uk earn ok money but nothing as near as what i do here..

peoples choices and life style..

Again this isn't true lol! My niece and her family are not well off at all. Both of them work and have a combined income of just over £30,000.

They will email you to say your visa is ready to be finalised and that they need your flight details for when you will be leaving the country. It's generally recommended that you have 5 days out of the country but they are usually pretty good at granting them quite quickly.

when do your medical and police checks expire?

I'm moving back to England in October (just returned last week from spending another 6 months there) It offers a lot more for my partner and I at this time. England has it's issues, just like Australia has them as well. I don't really see one country as being better than the other

i understand where you are coming from with the employment being the same, but as for lifestyle choices in australia there are so many you can be in the built up areas surrounded by people or you can have your own land with no one around you, depends what you want, we came over to australia because we we're thinking a better life for our kids, kids are still free to out side and play over here as for in the uk they are trapped can not go out and do anything....

I don't agree with this. There are plenty of places you can go out as a child in the UK. I don't see how they are trapped any more so than an Australian child. I'm Australian, 25 years old, grew up in Melbourne, we went camping as a family each year, I rode my bike around the streets, I was in a basketball team etc. I have a niece living in North Yorkshire, she and the family go camping, she is in swimming classes and plays soccer she also rides her bike around with a few of her friends. She's not "trapped" at all. Her childhood will be no better or worse than mine - just different.

You can also buy a house in the UK with no one around you, same as you can in Australia.

OP, the UK has all kinds of distorted views of Australia being the "promise land". If you at any point in time get the chance to move, do it because you want the adventure. Not because you want a better life for your children, are feeling bored in the UK and think Australia will fix your problems. Australia is not Britain with sun - it's very very different.

Best of luck

IMMI will only start to consider you in a defacto relationship when you begin living together. You can have times of "temporary" separation after this but living in the same city and having two different households isn't defacto - IMMI would say you are only dating. Can you not move in with him? I did this for 12 months with my partner, we also went through a point in Melbourne where he had no job, I was on min wage and was supporting us both whilst living in a share house. Would either of those e.g moving into a share house or moving in with his parents be an option? Could he not get a job? So he has a small income?

Everyone that applies for a partner visa has to do one each. Don't think too much into it but if you search on the forum for "history of relationship statement" you might find some people talking about what they included. We included:

- how we met

- how the relationship started

- when we moved in together and where

- when I met his family and when he met mine

- how we moved to Australia together

- how I moved to the UK to be with him

- holidays (larger overseas ones we took together)

- where we see ourselves in 5 years (e.g if we wanted to be married, children etc)

all in all mine was about 6 pages long and it read like a story in chronological order with me talking about how I felt etc. My partner was more factual and had only wrote about 4 pages.

Yes is does but remember that you still need to fufil the 4 evidence categories and demonstrate that your relationship is "genuine and continuing" so you will evidently need a lot more than a marriage certificate when applying. Four evidence categories are:

1. Joint finances

2. Joint household

3. Social evidnce

4. Joint commitments

Watch out for those hook turns in the CBD - they can be a bit of a shock if you arnt used to them.

I personally don't feel UK drivers are any friendlier than Melbourne drivers. Sometimes they wave, sometimes they don't. Driving around London and p North I had just as many people sitting up my arse as I would have got in Australia. People doing stupid speeds on highways.

I was was born and bread in Australia - I'll always let someone in if it's safe and if someone lets me in I'll always give a wave. Really don't think it's much different from the UK