Hi Brian, thank you for your reply, its nice to hear from someone who has been there and done it, I think the visa I will be trying to get is the 187 visa which enables you to apply for PR straight away, my family would be coming over and would need the benefits of PR, 2 years would be to long with no help with 4 kids, the 187 is regional, so WA, South and NT, so realistically Perth or Adelaide, not so good to hear that adelaide is quiet for work, I was going to try Ken Hall plumbers first of all and other large firms after that, if no joy in Adelaide I will give Perth a go, Brian any info is appreciated and ultimatley do you think this is achievable or do you think I am being a bit optimistic, _please inform of anything you think might help.