Peccavi

Just a quick point. Debenhams is doing badly. John Lewis is doing well. Is this because of the workers or the management? Are john lewis workers better than debenhams?

No, but their Management is, because they recognize the value of the workers! :wink:

No,no assassination,just a massive reclamation of the vast majority of their land and property,im not that daft to think the civil list and its leeches will be done away with "altogether"

It will come, I have no doubt of it, because it IS a structure based on taking rather than earning. It will take many decades though, and by then Australia wold have been a Republic for years.

I shall miss them when it happens (from up or down there!), in the same way I miss Bush and his utterly fouled up quotes!:biglaugh:

They are royal because their ancestors went round killing our ancestors. We lost, they won, they rule and have vast tracts of land to show for it. I don't begrudge them it - I could be a future Bill Gates (if only the right idea would come along) and then I would own vast tracts of land and set up lots of charities.

 

We should get used to it.

 

Much like the Welsh. They were conquered. They are ruled by the English. They should get used to it :wink:

Hells testicles!! Some rich pickings here! Incata you have just given a ringing endorsement to the very worst form of bullying that history has shown.

I shall email my aboriginal friend and tell him to suck it up!

(TG for the wink!)

Well thats ok,we should just abide by feudal laws put in place "by" the Royals "for" the Royals 800+ years ago eh,aces!

You sir are an arrogant oaf! Get back to your plough!!

........was there a question as to others right to thinking differently....?

........and trash tabloid or quality article.....

.........the content can be found in numerous places.......

.........it's content isn't in question .....IMO.....

.........the DM........just makes its articles the most accessible.........ime....

OK. If you want this to go on and on.

.......you are correct: I meant 'feeling' differently OK?

........trash tabloid or quality article..........?

..........I'm sure it can,-and I will continue to disagree with sweeping generalisations....

........the content is in question IMO.....

.........it does indeed!!!......

And NO I am not ridiculing your style of posting. I find it difficult to understand sometimes, so set it out in the same way to answer it.

Over to you.

Its a business,it should pay corporation tax like any other,the 3rd biggest land owner in the uk,the capital gains tax is reinvested in the duchy,thats why he pays no tax on it,not content with owning vast swathes of land that should belong to the country,he takes full advantage of special tax rules as well,and you're grateful he set up a charity?

Each to their own,but im not grateful for scraps thrown from the royals,you can be if thats how you feel i suppose

I am neither Republic or Monarchy. I have little time for an anachronistic structures, BUT I find the Royals very handy in terms of tourist revenue. I even like the pomp and ceremony, simply because it brightens our day! The right to rule is a bit silly though, but thankfully they no longer chop off heads which is a positive.........

Sad sign of the times in the western world I'm afraid.Expectations from society are way too high these days.When I left school in Australia,kids took any job they could find.Mind you apprenticeships were readily available then!I had a part time job in a hairdressers when I was 15,and was offered an apprenticeship when I left school.I turned it down!:cute:I took a job as a junior clerk instead!I think if I were leaving school now,I would take any job going,including cleaning toilets,and work my way up!We recently had a post going at my work for a porter (NHS).Now you'd think in this economic climate we would of had loads of applicants?We had 6!!! the thing is,you have to look at the bigger picture when you're young.So lets say you get the Porters job?If you're not entirely happy doing that for the rest of your days,then apply internally for something else?Someone i know started as a cleaner for the NHS,(band 1)and is now on band 4 in a desk job!I do have alot of empathy for the younger generation,I have young adult kids myself,but really you do need to help yourself.They also have to realise that there is much more to life than owning a Mc Mansion and Porche!

It was much easier for our generation. The kind of jobs we could get as filing clerks etc, and then perhaps progress, have gone. All we have now is the automation of press this, press that.

What these youngsters have is Mcjobs family breakdown and constant criticism. It is no surprise to me that they give up; they develop their own culture, and ultimately they feel so disenfranchised that so unacceptably many take their lives. We have devalued them; the workplace has devalued them; family has devalued them.

They have 'separated' from us, because we have separated them. It is much harder today just on attitude alone. Youth to us; us to youth.

No, no, no my friend, in the overall scale of things his wealth and income is totally, totally irrelevant. If his total wealth was confiscated, we would get about £50 each. Please don't talk like this, it detracts from your arguments.

Crikey!! I know you mean well, but surely people are allowed to give their own pov?

Please don't talk like this?? Pablo wasn't suggesting assassination, he gave his view!

....It depends on the definition of oppression doesn't it? I did not trivialise that which I do not believe exists. This to me is like the self diagnosis of depression. It is now so popular to claim depression for every incident/situation where one is unhappy. Either there is a sudden epidemic of depression-or more people are laying claim to it.

 

 

Oppression is a relative term. I trivialised nothing.

 

 

 

 

.......you...........do not believe it exists........

........your prerogative.....

.........but others feel differently......

.........and again I say......

..........to deny out of hand one........yet support the occurrence of the other....

............is discriminatory......IMO......

.............http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-523351/White-working-class---ethnic-group-BBC-ignored.html

My prerogative indeed! As for others thinking differently, isn't that what a discussion forum is about?

But thanks for the link to the Dailymail. It is either a trash tabloid, or a quality journal, dependent on the message we want it to convey.

........the level of .....discrimination.....is irrelevant IMO.....

........whether oppressed white working class or indeed those treated like animals.....

........to trivialise one .......

.........is as bad as condoning it altogether IMO.......

It depends on the definition of oppression doesn't it? I did not trivialise that which I do not believe exists.

This to me is like the self diagnosis of depression. It is now so popular to claim depression for every incident/situation where one is unhappy. Either there is a sudden epidemic of depression-or more people are laying claim to it.

Oppression is a relative term. I trivialised nothing.

why doesn't that surprise me...

Why doesn't that surprise me...

Yeah but our jobs are seasonal and weather dependant mate, come on have a heart:wink:

Thanks for this opportunity! Just to be clear: others may differ; have different philosophies, different politics. My philosophical/political outlook is on the Left. I mean the true Left, not the Labour/Labor Party of today.

For me the working class full stop is the absolute backbone of any country. Bin the Board-the factory would continue. Bin the workers-the factory would fail.

There will be those who can come up with whatever rationale they like to explain that away, but that is a fundamental fact.

Where I disagree is that the 'White' working class is an oppressed minority. If we are talking oppression......then why do we refer to 'White' working class?

Could it possibly be because of the definition of 'oppression' is a tad skewed?

If we talk about the oppression of the working class-ALL. Then I would agree about that oppression.

It is coming from the Thatcherthink structure who need the working class to do as they are told.

white working class have been discriminated against for years its just that we are not allowed to complain without the R word being screamed out.

The 'White working class' might just learn something from that.

Discrimination/exploitation/racism has been experienced by so many for so long. Much of it perpetrated by the light skin against the dark skin (I loathe using black/white-neither are either!).

Frankly I find the statement whiney and weak. The experiences of so many of our fellow men in this world is vastly worse! Millions are born and die in societies where they are treated like animals.

I won't be losing any sleep over the poor oppressed White Working Class.

didn't think i was allowed one .. remember i'm just a poor widdle downtrodden minority White Brit.:dull:

That's the whole point: you aren't are you? :dull:

It is great living in a first world country, living at a fast pace where nothing stands still. I Jumped off the rat race for a while and didn't like it, felt like I was a generic clone to a system where I was dictated to and had to live like a sheep without choice. A bit of pressure brings out the best in people. I love my country and love everything that it stands for, if people can't stand the pace and can't cope with it, then good riddance maybe this country will be better without the derogative comments and negative people. Just remember whilst there is a union flag in the top left hand corner of the national flag, then the country still lives in the shadow of the UK. Where it belongs......in the shadow. I feel sorry for those who cannot live or settle in their home land but hey ho, migration is one way to sort the wheat from the chaff. The Southern Hemisphere is great for a holiday but Europe is the place to live.

 

 

5, 4, 3, 2, 1.......... Let the backlash begin. lol

I do love the subtle approach!!

what a load of pompous bollox

Weeelllll, it all depends on the pov doesn't it?

However I bow to your expertise on that subject.

Immigration can be a good thing, that's been proven, look at London the most amazing and diverse city in the world (IMO) but apart from the financial profits of the current mass immigration (which are in fact minimal) in terms of infrastructure and the fact that millions of peoples traditional culture and way of life are being trivialised and erased by multiculturalism. Everywhere else you here of how cultures and traditions must be preserved at all costs except of course the minority British white people (London).

Fact? 'Millions'?

Dear 'ol multiculturalism-the whipping boy for all societal ills!

..........except of course for the 'minority' of British White people!!

Awwww the poor widdle downtrodden minority White British!

How many times does it have to be said? The British have no history of being subjugated; rather to the contrary.......

And for the record (stuck record), this mantra is regularly trotted out in Australia! (Which is the other country I know well). So the need to make a strong point by suggesting that 'everywhere else' all is preserved is lacking in 'fact'.

Like the UK 'everywhere else' will preserve its traditions and cultures as it always has.

Just because some daft authority body comes up with some PC crap about a 'non denominational culturally diverse multi belief.................(you know what I'm saying), it doesn't mean the country-any country, is being 'taken over'. It means that there are a bunch of stupid plonkers who have to show that they are in positions of authority-who come up with cockamamie ideas that annoy people because they are as thoroughly stupid as the eejits who first thought them up! It does NOT mean a take over!

I don't care where this occurs. I heard this this morning, and IF this research is correct, it utterly chokes me up that our young feel this despair.

I was watching a polishitun on the tiv (UK 'shituns are not familiar to me yet) this morning justifying the increase in rail fares.

The disconnect with these creatures is chasmic. Like Australia so many of them have found inventive ways to leech off the public purse,-including-like Aus, employing members of their family.

They then make bald statements publicly about why they strip services and increase charges. This fiscal mismanagement for decades (UK/Aus/Greece.....add another country HERE), results in what we see in so many countries.

At least a dictatorship is open about controlling and stripping the people of any decent mode of living. 'Democracies' pick your pocket whilst telling you its for your own good!

Any Government should hang its head in shame when its young see little to no hope of a decent future.

How in the hell did we allow these genetic throwbacks to so easily control and fleece us?

Well this makes it clear that sympathy and not objective opinion is what was wanted (referring to someone as my husband is a sad illustration of this).

At least it's a learning curve. For me only.

"I wonder if you are holding on to this because of your love not for him, but for Britain, which you seem to love. He gives you a link to that doesn't he?"

 

Can you explain this sentence more before getting apology? Does it sound like I use him for Britain (if it is rewritten). Please teach me English. Sorry, I am not native-English speaker.

Very very happy to, because I am damned annoyed that you could misinterpret what I was trying to say when it was an effort to help you-(and you have had many people here trying to do that).

Part of my culture lies not so far from your country of origin, in no way did I mean to patronise you.

It might do you more good than I originally thought to read your own posts. You make reference to English foods; English things in general. It occurred to me that you were an Anglophile.

It seemed to me that if that is the case, you should try to get to a country you love on your own steam, and not rely on someone who seems to have an answer for everything that allows delay.

(And just in case you misunderstand again-I refer purely to you coming to the UK because of a relationship, OK?)

I have to say that it has now become very clear to me that you have some strength of character. It wouldn't be difficult for someone like that to work to that end-coming to the UK I mean (just to be crystal clear). It would take time-but time is something that you have become used to.

Still waiting.....................

I mean I can live here (citizenship) with job. I tried to explain that I dont need to use him for Britain (like Peccavi mentioned) if life is already good here.

I would appreciate an apology. I did NOT suggest this at all.

Please research all my post history and you will find out that my man has fear of flying. It is very hard for him to come here. I already have got a job and the right to stay in Australia. Moving there is only to live with him.

I think you love Britain-not for one moment was I suggesting that this relationship was so that you could get to the UK!!! You have my word that it never entered my head.

As is your right to stay in Australia. You have totally misunderstood what I was trying to say!

'Your man' EL, has a fear of a lot of things I suspect.

But it is now very clear to me that facing reality is not the message you want to hear.

I dont think Peccavi was saying you dont have the right to reside in oz.....

No. I wasn't.

Well inevitably I went back and read your history on this. One thing has stuck out for me and that is your nationality.

Ultimately what I say is racist, purely because it is based on race! I know we can't generalise specifically because everyone is an individual, but I will generalise...in general!

It is I think part of your nature to be somewhat more gentle then perhaps those in a Western culture would be (I am being general folks..), your nature I suspect is a damn sight more forgiving and patient then for many of us.

That is why I think what is blatantly obvious, even I suspect to you, has gone on for so long.

Caring for someone; loving them, can cause us all to continue on with callous insensitive or even violent behaviour in the hope that it will 'get better'. I am sure there have been cases in this World of this occurring, but I have yet to hear of it. This situation allows the abuse of one over another in whatever depth that occurs.

I am bound to say that this man has taken full advantage of that,-and knows full well that it is the nature of you to continue on, and keep looking for the bright side.

Do you really-really think there is any future with someone who could treat you this way?

Do you really want a man who behaves in this manner? You can make excuses for it, but it IS obvious you know.

I wonder if you are holding on to this because of your love not for him, but for Britain, which you seem to love. He gives you a link to that doesn't he?

My view has changed now that I know the history of this,-and your culture.

You need to talk to YOU. You need to perhaps start researching ways to get to GB on your own efforts, and not on the drag out excuses of another.

The English phrase 'flogging a dead horse' comes to mind. LOOK at this situation; really LOOK at it. There is nothing there! I suspect that by repeatedly going over the same ground you are 'validating' it; you are giving it life/substance. Which is what you want, when it is obvious there is nothing there.

Don't bother with these responses if they tell you what you don't want to hear;-go and read your own posts on this, and let you yourself tell you what you NEED to hear.

Work on your own plan, your own destiny, and get your soul back.

Face what you are refusing to face.

No one can help you but you.

I am going to be even more honest English Lover as I have looked through your previous posts on this site over the past 4 years or so... You are being messed around.

 

He wont let you see his facebook (well 2 years ago he wouldn't - has this changed?)

You asked to meet his family - he said no and this caused arguments

You have met him 4 times in 5 years - that is not serious. 5 years is a long time and if he truly loved you things would have progressed.

 

You can keep coming on this forum asking similar questions, year after year but honestly, you get the same answers and you are still playing into his hands.

 

You must have a better quality of life in Oz and you need to be spending your time and attention to making friends or meeting other men. From what I have read you are setting yourself up for failure but you still expect more. Plenty of men in the UK sit on the computers night after night whilst their wives are downstairs, it wouldn't take much to hide that from you. His wife or partner may work nights. Plus during your visits its easy to do this by taking 'business trips' etc and renting out a place.

 

You need to walk away and not contact this bloke again... But from previous posts - we are all wasting our time advising you because you still don't listen.

I think this is hard hitting, but EL,-it really is on the nail. (I had no idea that this has been a topic before).

So many of us have 'been there and done that', and we try to take others along for the ride, but ultimately the 'ride' occurs because we don't listen to the advice that we actually asked for!

It is almost that we need company for the journey of indecision.

This is also harsh: you truly need to put up or shut up.

I find it hard to think this is a genuine post from English lover , doesn't any one else ? I apologise if I am just being a cynical observer.

I don't, because though we have attempted to give advice, much/most of it has been negative to the outlook of the OP.

I don't think anyone is that much of a glutton for punishment!

.......I found this article quite enlightening.......

 

........http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/26/romania-bulgaria-britain-eu-benefit-restrictions

So did I. Both these links show a clear mindset, both by the paper and the poster.

The missing fact here is that people from these countries have been able to come and work in the UK since 2007. All that's changed is that now, after proving they have worked during their stay, they are eligible for SOME state support for a maximum of 6 months. As previous posts in related threads have pointed out, it has been proven that migrants from the EU and beyond have been subsidising our finances to the tune of £500 million a year net for the last 15 years.

How anyone with an ounce of sense can surmise that stopping migration is a panacea for our economic or social ills needs their bumps feeling.

Facts are irrelevant. When will you learn?

I don't suppose dancing around in national dress and getting granny to speak in their native tongue would cause any major issues. What's your point and how does it relate to the OP?

I actually liked the original post and the message it conveyed. Both it and this response make a very clear point. Both are relevant to the OP.

It is the vantage point that could make both irrelevant.

Please keep on topic unless something big has happened since I last visited this thread it is about the purported increase in migration from the EEC and has nothing to do with Australia and how it treats or treated its indigenous population, nothing to do with what British people did in the past either.

 

Do not play the person, respect everyone's opinion and if you cannot do it, then go away and have good sit down and a cuppa.

I couldn't agree more!! It is something we should all remember.

Hello again lol! no,i agree,"if" you delve deep enough you could say the male is empowered,and the female a victim in this ad,i just think sometimes we're conditioned to look for offence,and we can find it if we "really" try,my post was just addressed to the thread in general btw,wasn't analysing your reply,i just think that in defending women,or any "cause" for want of a better word,we can be a bit patronising towards them,even if the intention was to "defend",if that makes sense

God Pabs you are so irritating! Here am I trying to get to my bisks and I see another post and respond!!

Fair point I suppose, I know this does occur increasingly, but not entirely. We've had the same pov on the other thread haven't we? We look for things sometimes because we know they are there! Because they have been endemically there for years.

Last line: it does make sense, but I changed after reading a known writers account of her rape-but more particularly how she was attacked in post after post by males for what she wrote. She was subjected to yet more abuse because she spoke up!

I have little tolerance now for any stupid categorising. The message was drink/drugs. Not male female. This truly does not need to be complex.

Ah sod it! I'm off.

I'll grant that I was very analytical, but I did so because this type of thing is (in my view) so common and so pervasively subtle.

It really is unnecessary to separate the genders in this manner. Just warn them all not to be bloody idiots.

It is simple horse sense. There is no need to categorise gender only drink/drugs.

What IS there, is why they do it. That is what I tried to show.

I would be shocked if a female was involved in this poor promotion.

Yeah no probs,we're all allowed our opinion,i know its "said" we're all getting larger,obesity on the rise etc etc,personally tho i think "most" people these days seem more aware of their diet and try to eat healthily,i dont btw,but my job keeps my weight down.

Do we charge people in wheelchairs for the extra weight?,taking it further will coach travel be dearer for the overweight,cars use more fuel if theres more weight,will taxi's start charging more for heavier people?

Like i say,to me its a sledgehammer to crack a nut,i mean just how many morbidly obese passengers are on the average flight,not many im guessing,anyway,no matter,enjoy your NYE P

................btw Yes I do believe that will inevitably occur because of the obesity 'epidemic', and I have little doubt that like the 'guide dogs in restaurants' thing, allowances will be made for the genuinely disabled. My weight gain is not genuine disablement; I could argue stress and unhappiness, but then someone who lost a lot of weight could argue that also! It's down to me,-but the lure of the dark chocolate digestive is my drug of choice- 'choice' being the operative word.

Good discussion! Happy New Year to you and to all! (I need a biccie break...)