Chris Howitt

Ok, so the points are for age , educational experience, English language test results, and a few more things.

I had the WHV.

In my my case it would be 60-70 points.

Telesales isn't on the list but: sales and marketing manager is on the CSOL, however you need to delegate work to others etc. and be in a superior position, so wouldn't qualify, I don't think

Marketing specislist (CSOL) is on the list but I don't know if that would be a relevant /valid skills assessment for telesales.

So would marketing specialist be a skills assessment for outbound telesales ?

I could find out the hard way!!

Cheers for looking Skani..

Hello,

If I have 3+ years of outbound telesales experience, is it possible to apply for a visa to Aus?

I also will have around 70 points.

Nice one bra

you need 2 years experience, then you get the skills assessment.

No, I don't have a skills assessment, I have just asked enquired through the relevant body to see if It's possible. Maybe I can get back to you as soon as they let me know.

Basically if u have a whv you will get a job. It's not for 6 ,on the but they might take u on. Just imagine it's the UK. There is not much difference so u will get a job say telesales or bar work or admin but whether they need someone for 6 months in qs is the same in the UK

Hello I believe I have 50 / 60 points for aus immigration. I have almost finished an msc in quantity surveying.

Does anyone know what's the likely hood that I would be offered to come to aus once applied for the EOI.

How risky is applying for the sake of it?

i would like to come back so 2 years work ex UK seems a long time is there any other way round it?

in reality whats the best way to do it?

all i want to know is can I sit a vetass exam after 1 year, or do they have rules, like you have to do a certain number of jobs and have evdience?

If you did your NVQ Level 2 & Level 3 and the 2375 & AM2 - (electricians status) - in 1 year.

At what point could you apply to vetassess and then get work in OZ?

Hey,

I am interested to know the outcome of this one as well.

I want to train as a gas engineer, and then go out to Oz...maybe go to melbourne.

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Actually, I would be better off in most ways in the uk. Better job, better wages, still have all the money we spent coming over, close to family and friends, better standard of living. Better maternity pay and free care when I get to that point. The only things I am better off with here is actual summers, being able to grow more plants than I could in the uk (coffee growing is pretty cool) and being able to have a little boat for fishing on.

If I could go back, knowing what I know now I wouldn't have done it.

 

​So your partner is Australian? If so, go that route (you might be eligible for a defacto visa).

Yes she is and it is alot easier this route so I have heard as well. We are looking at it, but Ill still need something to make me a good income which I enjoy.

What course did you do then? Did you hope to stay in Oz after it (But then they changed the rules and you had to go home?)

Didn't you ask about this the other day?

 

Students who came to Australia used to be required to study for two years (which is diploma level, not cert 3, that is just part of it). Then they could apply for a skills assessment, needing only 900 hours of work to pass (for trades anyway). They could also apply for the 485 visa if they needed to do the English test, or work for a year to get extra points.

That all changed in early 2010. Mostly due to politics, and politicians being blind to how much money it bought into the country, but also because some schools were letting people 'buy' their qualification with no work put in at all. Thousands of people trained as cooks and hairdressers, got their visa then never worked in that field. In reality the skilled visas can be abused in that way, but people see less of it as it isn't generally their Indian taxi driver telling them the story of how they got an unskilled job in Australia.

 

The number of international students plummeted, with many tafe courses cancelled. Unfortunately quite a lot of people still came, having no idea that the rules had changed, or just having already committed to coming. They were still under the impression it would be fairly simple to stay. Those that stuck out their courses would only have finished at the end of 2011. I even spoke to some who came over a year later not realising the rules had changed.

So that accounts for a lot of them.

 

There are also a HUGE amount of, mainly Indians, who seem to be oblivious to the actual rules because 'they have a friend who said it would all be ok'. I worked with one of these students, he ended up going back to India and has not come back.....

 

The only way to stay for many of us has been employer sponsored visa. This is VERY hard for trade jobs. Most visas need a minimum wage per year. That messes up lots of people. The company is also required to have a certain amount of permanent staff. As most tradies are either officially 'self employed' working on their own Abn or casual, this messes up a few more. Just offering to sponsor you on that basis is not enough, it has to be other staff too.

Then there is the training requirement. The company must show that they have a training programme for their existing staff. Not very easy for most trades companies as they don't tend to be that big.

 

My company went for the rsms visa. For that you have to work in a regional area, but you don't need to meet the same wages as for the other visas (everything else you do though). You do have to pass with the regional assessing board to say it is an actual job which an Australian can't be found for though.

We failed this first go round! They said that they had been in contact with a recruitment agency who said they could find people. As part of the conditions we had had to advertise in the paper and on the Internet for a full month before applying, so we had to go back and point out that no agency had put any trained people foward for the job. Then they passed it.

I am now tied to this job for two years or my visa can be cancelled.

 

It was an absolute nightmare.

Had the rules not changed, I should have been free three years ago. But in reality it took three years from the end of my course to get pr. I was eligible for the 485 visa which bought me time. Most trades wouldn't now, so you would need to find an employer willing to sponsor you, and able to get all the paperwork in before your student visa finished.

 

I know many people who thought that would be simple, and have now left Australia as it wasn't.

 

​Do yourself a favour and find another way.

Sorry to hear that its been such complicated task to sort your business out. It makes you ask yourself why is it all so hard?! I can imagine you feel that your wasting your time, a little bit. But dont let that put you off! Youd be better off in Oz anyway no matter what.

I was asking about which trades are a good idea to get into Oz quickly.

Mainly I have a girlfriend, and we could go down the marriage route. But with Oz, if you do a trade, it seems that you have to go through all these tests to say you can do the job trade.

So really. TAFE courses, for international students, arent worth it as you have to go home and there is not point.

Can't help really mate as all (building) trades go up and down with the housing market. I know a couple of PIO members who are gas fitters/plumbers by trade who actually gave up on the tools. One earns as much as a plumbing whiolesale storeman as he did on the tools, and the other is a wardie (porter) in a hospital and earning nearly as much. That said, neither would risk going self-employed where they would have made much more money.

 

I would suggest nursing, as that used to be a job for life, but even that isn't assured nowadays.

So whats a good way of making an income in a trade then without having to go to TAFE, which does not guarantee work.

Yes, but why do 1000's of people do their certificate 3, if that's the case, it doesn't make sense? A certificate 3 is for Oz only.

So wht bother getting a certificate 3 then?

It's possible, not guaranteed, many variables e.g. political/media climate on immigration and population, mostly negative...

 

At minimum you can gain a skill and work in Oz, gain experience, use qualifications and experience elsewhere.

​My situation is, I have just come back from Oz. I was doing a business student course. My current girlfriend lives in Brisbane. So I was looking at saving up the 18,000 Dollers to then do a 2 year course in say in some sort of trade.

Surely the whole point of TAFE, for international students is so that you can then get employed easily.

Or do people end up just going home?

Thinking about going a TAFE course, Im 32, UK, Male - Most prob in some sort of trade.

What likelyhood that youll get work out of it afterwards? and therefore stay in the country.

As you cant stay in the country when the course ends.

but im I really want to get some sort of trade so I can at least afford to live properly.

I want to do a trade so I dont have to do any stupid sales jobs in australia or here for that matter.

I want to have a trade so that I make a steady income & work with my hands and have my own specialty. I do want to have a skill.

Ready to go, I heard that heating and gas engineers were needed less because it was warm in QLD thats all, im sure your hubby will know that though.

John, im saying the same thing as you, actually, so you'll have to give me some pointers now!!!!

Yes it helps, so it can take another year with a licensed engineer in AUS and go to college - before you can work for yourself anyway. So it might not be the best choice of course, by the sounds of it.

Are you going to make the move to AUS? If so where? Melbourne?

Hi everyone,

I have been living in Australia, first on a WH Visa, then on a student visa (for only a few months) and went home to UK. I have a girl out there, and she would be happy to get married, but im I really want to get some sort of trade so I can at least afford to live properly.

So I have an idea that I will do a gas engineer course in England (only takes about 1-2 years) its also alot cheaper to do it in UK

So what courses would be a good idea, so I can then do the trade Australia without having to then retrain in Australia.

I been stressing about this now for ages, can anyone be helpful in some ideas.

Which Australian website are you referring to? Can you post a link to that website?[/quote

 

http://www.deewr.gov.au/Skills/Programs/SkillsAssess/TRA/residenceVisa/JobReady/Documents/HowToPSAAssessment2012.pdf

 

There is the link, but I think now, that doing course in UK, you have have to 3 years (or what ever) experience first, then you can apply for the skills shortage list. But if you do a course in Australia, you dont need that experience, just some references. Surely, you would need experience no matter what. But it seems, courses in Aus, qual for no experience.

 

But I see loads of Africans everyday in Australia, and I just wonder what are they doing here. Im from UK!

basically on the Australian website, it says that you can do a course and you do a course get it signed off by the tutor and and also by the qualification and then your good to go.

i am doing sales at the moment, so may be able to get sponsored that way, but I may not, and need a more coherent way to get in.

Which is why, being on the skills shortage, having a professional qualification, would mean, its proof, that I am skilled (whether I have experience or not!)

I am in Australia, 31, from the UK and want to stay. Was thinking about a TAFE Certificate III in Carpentry (CPC30208) course, in Australia, on a Student Visa, but this is for 2 years part time, and actually costs 22,000 dollers.

Or,

The UK offers, NVQ2 in City & Guilds 8 Week NVQ Carpentry Courses (4500 dollers) that take 8 weeks, is much cheaper, but ill be outside the Australia

and then I could apply for the skills shortage list for carpenters.

What issues do you think I am realistically going to encounter if I took the 2nd option.

Have you been in a similar situation, please share some information, as I feel that flying to the UK, doing a 2 month course, applying for residency as a skilled carpenter this way, is going to cause me a lot more problems as not getting back in the country is not an option for me.

Please share some experiences, so I fully understand. Please, thank you. Chris