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My partner applied for De-facto visa about a month ago & after only 3 days after got an email requesting biometrics and then 2 days later a medical request.

But 3 weeks later no request for police clearance which we find surprising!

We are both think of doing our police clearance soon though....would anyone advise to wait?

Thanks

Hi

Can someone please explain the difference between De facto vs Committed to a shared life together to the exclusion of all others?

To me, its exactly the same or is it the same except de-facto means you are living together?

Thoughts please:chatterbox:

I think it would be questioned if your dates overlapped. Despite having two residential addresses, I'd separate the dates based on where I was physically located at the time.

IF my partner and I have different residential addresses, do you think we would automatically be declined a Partner Visa.

Even though we have an extremely valid explanation! And in our eyes and my families eyes lived together for many years.

Our daughter of nearly 5 years who will be on the application, surely assists our case:confused:

To simplify my rambling.

Question 1- Can I live in Thailand and also have an Australian Residential Address?

Question 2- On my 40SP form for Question 38: In which countries have you lived for 12 months (in total) or more during the last 10 years, I would put down every month for 8 years going back to Thailand?

Thought Please

Hello,

 

Australian permanent resident means:

(a) in relation to an applicant for a Return (Residence) (Class BB) visa or a Resident Return (Temporary) (Class TP) visa — a non-citizen who is the holder of a permanent visa; or

(b) in any other case (other than in the case of an applicant for registration as a migration agent under Part 3 of the Act) — a non-citizen who, being usually resident in Australia, is the holder of a permanent visa.

 

 

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If your residential address is not in Australia, your partner may not be eligible for a partner visa.

THANKS!

I am an Australian PR(8 Years)who has an address in WA, does FIFO(Fly-in, Fly-out) which enabled me to work in Australia for 20/25/26 or 28 continuous days and then return back to Thailand for 7/8/9 or 10 days R&R depending on roster. My partner and I have been together 8 or 9 years and also have a 4.5 year old daughter together. I would say from 2010 on-wards any periods of separation were ONLY due to my work commitments in Australia. We bought our first house together back in 2014.

We were planning and hoping to apply for her(daughter) De-facto Partner Visa imminently, 47SP filled in online and just waiting for some transaltion paperwork!

• We are not in a married relationship with each other

• We are not related by family

• We have a mutual commitment to a shared life to the exclusion of all others.

• Our relationship between us is genuine and continuing.

• We live together or do not live separately and apart on a permanent basis except for my work commitments.

• We are both aged over 18 years

• Our relationship has been continued for the 12 months immediately

preceding the date of application.

We tick all these boxes BUT have doubts because I am an Australia PR and if I put I live in Thailand Ww won't get De-facto Visa? Could it jeopardize my PR too.....Confused:confused::cry:

I think it would be questioned if your dates overlapped. Despite having two residential addresses, I'd separate the dates based on where I was physically located at the time.

Maggie

The issue that I've got is that I am an Australian PR who does FIFO(Fly in Fly out) work in Australia, but for 8 years I have always had my 7/8/9 or 10 day R&R’s every month in Thailand and any in-between jobs in Thailand.:unsure:

G'day,

I'm due to sponsor my partner to migrate to Australia and just about to fill in my FORM 40SP.

I am an Australian PR 8 Years with a British Passport, who's done FIFO(Fly in Fly out) work in Australia for 8 years. I have always had my 7/8/9 or 10 day R&R’s every month in Thailand and any in-between jobs in Thailand.

So I class myself as living in 2 countries at the same time! Correct?

Regarding Question 38: In which countries have you lived for 12 months (in total) or more during the last 10 years?

Can you live in 2 countries at the same time?

Am I writing this as a British Person overseas? Am I writing this as an Australian Permanent Resident?

Hope my question isn't too confusing. Its confusing for me, ha ha!!!

Question 11- Because I've put my residential address in Thailand, I have to attach a statement outlining how i will meet my sponsorship obligations.

Even in Part H – (About your home) I believe they are asking about Australia, but I've answered it as if I'm in Thailand

All confusing.....It took us days and many hours to fill out our 47SP and now this simply question seems so hard!!

Part L is for Additional information. Should I just explain there?:sad:

Thanks

This is a similar situation to mine, I work away at sea and spend roughly the same amount of time at home per year as you and have done for the last 15 years.

 

The department realise that couples aren't always together for whatever reason, and work away is a very valid one.

 

You need to provide the evidence that you share a life together, and how you support your family etc and also evidence of your working arrangements to prove why you are away.

 

I don't foresee a problem as long as you gather everything you can and forward it on with the application.

You ought really to say that you currently 'live' in Thailand - they look for the centre of your shared life to be in one place.My husband travels a lot, kind-of FIFO between the UK and different AUstralian states, but I have a steady job and our home base is always the city where the job and the shared home are. To have a shared life DIBP want you to have a shared home base.

Its not going to jeopardise your PR.

 

And you probably do have enough info to show that your base is in Thailand but you have to have some stuff addressed to your temp Australian address.

 

When you apply for the visa you have to write your own statement about the relationship - this can include addressing issues like why you live apart for some of the time (work reasons) and you can also include that once your wife/partner has the visa she will move to Australia to be with you and life will get much simpler as you will be together in one place!

Make sure you have evidence of how you keep in touch - any kind of phone records - bills screenshots of some texts, downloads of viber or whatsapp texts - you can always annotate things like bills if you think it will make it clearer to Immigration. Legal stuff like super, wills, life insurance - all that is excellent to include.

You sound like you have plenty of info gathered over several years - far more than many people have.

PIO

I'm getting a bit confused with my 40SP form, due to my situation of living in Thailand and like advised been quoting having a temporary/postal address in Aussie on my written statement and in our 47SP form.

On Question 38 - In which countries have you lived for 12 months (in total) or more during the last 10 years?

If I was to put down dates in Australia and dates in Thailand which overlapped, Do you think that would cause any problems:sad:

I do class myself as living in 2 countries at the same time. Part L is for Additional information. Should I just explain there??

Question 11- Because my residential address is not in Australia, I have to attach a statement outlining how i will meet my sponsorship obligations.

Even in Part H – (About your home) I believe they are asking about Australia, but I've answered it as if I'm in Thailand:confused:

All confusing.....It took days to fill out our 47SP and now this.......

Okay... but did you read the quote you posted. Because it related to CITIZENSHIP applications.

:embarrassed:Great pick up, Thanks!

Yahoo....It should be Okay for us uploading PDF:wink:

isn't all your evidence originally in jpeg before you compiled them to a PDF? theres a few pdf to jpg converters free online you could use... how many pages you do have... am guessing alot?

I'll have a look thanks.

My partner is pretty good with computers and is unaware of been able to change PDF to jpg

If found that would be a massive help[emoji3][emoji1310]

I don't think I had more than 6 attachments for my citizenship application - passport, passport photo, birth certificate, marriage certificate (since I was changing my surname from what's on my passport), driver's license and maybe one other identification document. You don't need much for a citizenship application.

The application is for my Defacto Partner & our daughter (4 years old) to apply for their Australian PR Visas while been overseas. So proof of 12 + months living together & proof of our genuine 8+ year relationship.

Our 4 year old daughter was born and lives in Thailand with a Thai Passport.

She also has a British Passport.

 

There are 2 questions online quering her having a second passport.

 

Country of second passport -1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATIONAL (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

 

We were going to put number 3? But now I'm thinking 2?

 

Question 2- Nationality of passport holder?

 

1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATION (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

5-THAILAND

 

Shall we put 5-Thailand?

 

Very confusing:confused:

Thanks in advance

This I hope answers Question 2 :wink:

DUAL CITIZENSHIP: NOT RECOGNIZED. Exceptions:

Child born abroad to Thai parents, who obtains the citizenship of the foreign country of birth, may retain dual citizenship until reaching the age of majority (18). At this point, person must choose which citizenship to retain.

isn't all your evidence originally in jpeg before you compiled them to a PDF? theres a few pdf to jpg converters free online you could use... how many pages you do have... am guessing alot?

Yes we've lots of pages.

Regarding originally been in jpeg, they are all original statements, emails, bank statements, proof etc. I put in the printer/scanner at work and it emails them directly to me in PDF format.

Online for the visa its 60 folders & max 5meg each.

I scanned 100 emails spanning 8 years last night and it came to 3.9meg, which is 1 folder and we thought it would be easy to upload.

We know its over the top and too many but its a click of a button, if they sort out their PDF??

I guess it is up to you whether you call the British or Thai passport the first or second one, in reality I don't believe they are actually ranked.

 

Assuming you are regular British, I would have thought 1) was the correct option for the first question. A "British Overseas" citizenship does not mean British but happens to live overseas, there are some very specific places,e.g. Bermuda, which are designated "British overseas territories".

Thanks Bungo:wink:

Our 4 year old daughter was born and lives in Thailand with a Thai Passport.

She also has a British Passport.

 

There are 2 questions online quering her having a second passport.

 

Country of second passport -1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATIONAL (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

 

We were going to put number 3? But now I'm thinking 2?

 

Question 2- Nationality of passport holder?

 

1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATION (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

5-THAILAND

 

Shall we put 5-Thailand?

 

Very confusing:confused:

 

 

Thanks in advance

Google is my friend and the answer to question 1 is Number 1....British Citizen

Question 2? Nationality = Thailand?

Our 4 year old daughter was born and lives in Thailand with a Thai Passport.

She also has a British Passport.

There are 2 questions online quering her having a second passport.

Country of second passport -1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATIONAL (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

We were going to put number 3? But now I'm thinking 2?

Question 2- Nationality of passport holder?

1-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH CITIZEN-GBR

2-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH NATION (OVERSEAS)-GBN

3-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS CITIZEN-GBO

4-UNITED KINGDOM-BRITISH OVERSEAS TERRITORIES CITIZEN-GBD

5-THAILAND

Shall we put 5-Thailand?

Very confusing:confused:

Thanks in advance

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Please see information below for issues currently impacting some users[/h]

• ATTACHMENTS PRIOR TO PAYMENT FOR CITIZENSHIP APPLICATIONSWe are aware that there is currently an issue with attaching PDF documents to citizenship applications. While the issue is being resolved, please save each document as a JPG file to your desktop and attach the JPG file to the application. We apologise for any inconvenience caused.
  

So has any one recently applied on-line and had a problem with their PDF uplaods?

We've spent the last couple of months getting all our evidence compiled all in PDF and were just about to submit and pay. Then start to upload!

JPG is photo format, which is going to cause time and more complications:err:

Keep in mind on the online account you have a limit to the amount of documents you can upload. If you go over this with lots of extras like you are saying then you could miss being able to upload the vital stuff that is on the checklist.

 

I'd put a note on the end of your personal statement and state you can provide all the proof of this if required. Or write it on the form where there is a space for extra info and again say it is all documented and can be provided if they require it. I'd submit a few flights and bookings in a document from random months over the timeframe, ie one or two a year from the early years and then a few from more recent times. And again state you have more of them if they wish to see them. Of course, nothing to stop you submitting them all but keep in mind to upload all the essential documents and other evidence first to ensure you will have room for those.

Thanks for the heads up, Snifter!

Some very good points there.

My partner has opened her immiaccount and started fill out the online form for herself(Not keen), but she's much more in favour of using http://www.vfsglobal.com/australia/thailand/

She has used their service for Aussie and UK vfs twice. Reckons the service is good and they are helpful to answer emails and question in the office.

Regarding extras/emails, we've printed out roughly 1 email a month since 2007, and each email would have a quote of my return/been away at work, flights, hotels, a photo, or emails from my mum addressing the 3 of us.

All these have been scanned into 1 file under 5meg. Do you think that is been excessive?

We were going to do a separate file with my monthly domestic/international flights, hotels, work itineraries, work contracts stating my rosters and our 5 family overseas holidays, as long as it is under a 5 meg file.

After todays conversation, we maybe using VFSGlobal!!!

All info appreciated, and hopefully helping others too:smile:

If you've got joint hotel booking and flight details I wouldn't worry about the passport stamps.

 

And yes, I think you will need an AFP check as you are sponsoring your child - check out Page 25 of the booklet as you may find you need to rovide one from Thailand as well. Seems likely as you call it your home.

Thanks! Surprised I miss page 25 which reads that I do! Yes, will definitely need one from Thailand too, I had to get one from there for my own PR a few years back.

It's a pity the schools in Thailand don't request a police clearance certificate from western teachers from their home countries!!

Nemesis/ PIO members:ssign16:

I've just been scanning my passport pages and was wondering about annotating my 50+ visa stamps to highlight, also with an explanation of my return homes and our holidays together.

Do you think that this would this be allowed on an important document that needs to be certified?

Also if i was to print out the coinciding flight bookings and hotel bookings with the stamps do you thing the DIBP would class this as doubling/tripling up on evidence? I've even kept boarding passes, ha ha!!

I've been reading up more on the PR visa, because we have a child together under 18 years old, do I need an Australian Police clearance or is that for adoption/dependents only?

Just been chuckling at myself, I've probably deleted more than I've wrote for my partner statement:laugh:

Thanks in advance

Its not going to jeopardise your PR.

 

And you probably do have enough info to show that your base is in Thailand but you have to have some stuff addressed to your temp Australian address.

 

When you apply for the visa you have to write your own statement about the relationship - this can include addressing issues like why you live apart for some of the time (work reasons) and you can also include that once your wife/partner has the visa she will move to Australia to be with you and life will get much simpler as you will be together in one place!

Make sure you have evidence of how you keep in touch - any kind of phone records - bills screenshots of some texts, downloads of viber or whatsapp texts - you can always annotate things like bills if you think it will make it clearer to Immigration. Legal stuff like super, wills, life insurance - all that is excellent to include.

You sound like you have plenty of info gathered over several years - far more than many people have.

Feeling happier after reading this post, ha!! Your wording is helpful for me to add, when I extend my previous statements I wrote for 3 Visitor Visa's.

For my partners Aussie Visitor Visa she was granted 12 month multiple entry visa at the first time of asking!

A good thorough explanation of our circumstances/relationship will be wrote asap.

If we are 100% honest and clear I believe we shouldn't encounter any problems.

Quote from 1127 Partner Booklet "All relationships are different, so you should provide as much evidence as you can that you believe will support your claims."

Seems very true in our case.

On the 40SP form question 11 I'll put our house in Bkk.

And because my residential address is not in Australia, I will attach astatement at the end of the form outlining how I will meet your

sponsorship obligations.

I've learnt a new word today but I like it a lot because I'm always doing it at work "annotate" Thanks for the English lesson, Ha ha!!

For evidence, We've printed off:

1 email per month since 2007/08 which mentions me working in Oz and return to Thailand

What's app messages for years

Facebook for years

Hotel/flight booked monthly since 2008

Letter from manager mentioning me returning to Thailand on R&R to be with my family

Letters/emails/whats app between my mum & partner for years

Joint Thai bank account

Joint car insurance

My Super (In girls names)

Thai visa extentions granted due to our daughter( Should state our Bkk province where our house is once translated).

Endless photos(small on word doc)

Ect etc ect

Just need to annotate quite a few documents:smile:

You ought really to say that you currently 'live' in Thailand - they look for the centre of your shared life to be in one place.My husband travels a lot, kind-of FIFO between the UK and different AUstralian states, but I have a steady job and our home base is always the city where the job and the shared home are. To have a shared life DIBP want you to have a shared home base.

Hello Nemesis

Thanks for your words of wisedom.

2 years ago we bought a house which is in my partners name, close to the private school our daughter attends.

Everyday me not at work in the outback has been spent with my partner and daughter at our house in Bangkok or on holiday together.

I first started renting in Thailand 2007, and see myself as living there since then.

But due to me working in Australia all my personal/work documentation states a WA address.

No point(Can't) send tax bills, or bank statements or phone bills to Bangkok. So there posted within in Australia.

Our house in Bangkok only has my name on our car insurance & our joint bank account.

Everything else is in my partners.

All my personal belonging and clothes are in Bangkok.

If I have to stay in Australia for a night before or after my swing I stay in a hotel!!

Surely the above circumstances are classed as me living in Bangkok with my family and also not jeopardize my Aussie PR?

This is a similar situation to mine, I work away at sea and spend roughly the same amount of time at home per year as you and have done for the last 15 years.

 

The department realise that couples aren't always together for whatever reason, and work away is a very valid one.

 

You need to provide the evidence that you share a life together, and how you support your family etc and also evidence of your working arrangements to prove why you are away.

 

I don't foresee a problem as long as you gather everything you can and forward it on with the application.

Cheers Captain

I think I still got my work contracts from the last 3 years stating my roster days at work & days on R&R(Thailand with my family).

And that will be backed up with 8 years of visa stamp entry & exits, even itineraries from work.

Plus I've still got the support letters from my managers(quoting rosters) from when we had family holiday together in the UK & Australia.

I believe our application is straight forward its just if I say we live together in Thailand does that mean I'm not an Aussie PR?

Or can you live in 2 places at the same time....that's a query of mine!

Hello

My partner (for 8 years) & our 4 year old daughter who live in Bangkok, Thailand would like to apply for a Partner visa (subclass 309/subclass 100) asap (Correct visa?).

Quoting the immigration website “You must be outside Australia & in a de facto relationship with an Australian permanent resident”. You must be in a genuine & ongoing relationship You must live with your partner or, if you do not, any separation must be only temporary.

I am an Australian PR who does FIFO(Fly in Fly out) work in Australia, but for 8 years I have always had my 7/8/9 or 10 day R&R’s every month in Thailand and any in-between jobs in Thailand. So on average we have lived together for 4 months of the year and any separation is ONLY temporary due to my job/work.

We can prove 8 years of the following things:

1. Emails, messages and calls daily.

2. Photos with both of our family members

3. Flights monthly.

4. Hotels/holidays monthly.

5. 2 UK & 2 Australian family holidays together yearly.

6. Joint bank account 2 years.

7. Joint car insurance 2 years.

8. If deceased my Australian superannuation goes to them both 50% each.

But we don’t have a mortgage or joint bills. Rent & Bills/Proof of living together for 6 of those years can’t be proven as we paid cash for apartments, houses & the bills. But we’ve 8 years of hotels & holidays together. 2 years ago we bought a house(cash) which is in my partners name close to the private school our daughter attends. Also none of the bills for our house are in my name either, I currently provide for both my partner & daughter which can be proven too.

Question:

Can we be classed as been in a De-Facto relationship together while I’m working in Australia and they’re in Thailand?

Could this jeopardise my Australian permanent residency with the above grounds while applying for my partner and daughter’s PR’s?

Thoughts?

Thanks in advance