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1 hour ago, Anks said:
@VictoriaP thanks for sharing your timeline... did the DHA gave you a reason to reject your sponsorship application the first time??
And I see that you are just one month ahead of my 143 application and you applied to the 5 year 870, you reckon it will be another 5 years before you get a CO call for the 143?
The first rejection was my fault as my taxable income (due to salary packaging) was just below the minimum requirement.
I really don't think a 3 year 870 will be anywhere near long enough. Even if we get a CO in 3 years from now, we can all see how long it actually takes for approval from that point. End of 2015 applicants are only just being processed now and the processing times are only going to get longer.
If we applied for the 3 year and then looked at extending, I don't have any family outside Australia that my Mum could live with for the approx 6 months it would take to apply/be approved for a further 870, so that wasn't an option. To be honest, I'm worried that the 143 approval will take even longer than the time we have until this 5 year 870 expires. Immigration move the goalposts constantly so nothing is certain, but we will have to deal with that if and when it happens.
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59 minutes ago, Anks said:
Hi All 870 sponsors/applicants, could you all please share timelines for these applications?
just want to know what month is the DHA processing for both of these applications.
I have updated my signature.
Timeline updated
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1 minute ago, LindaH27 said:
Don’t forget too that in order to renew the 870 visa you have to leave Australia for 90 days so 3 months out of Australia. If you have sold up at home you have to find somewhere to live whilst waiting to go back in. Also processing times appear to be 3 months or more so possibly could be out of Australia for longer maybe? It’s a new visa and we will have to see how it works in practice eg is it an automatic renewal or do they look again at your health and finances etc?
Yep, that's a real worry for me as I have no idea where my Mum would go for that time. I just hope that her 143 is processed before her 5 year 870 expires. 143 applied June 2017, so I'm thinking it will be pretty tight, but this was the only option for her other than bringing her here then swapping to the onshore CPV and going back to the beginning of the queue again. We just have to hope for the best.
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On 13/08/2019 at 14:03, TinaD said:
Please can I ask - does anyone know if a 870 visa has been applied for, but not yet processed/approved, can a Visitor visa still be obtained to allow a visit to Australia while awaiting the outcome of the 870? My concern is the definition of a 'genuine visitor' for the Visitor visa, as obviously there is the intent to stay longer as per the 870 visa, if approved. Thanks for your help.
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1 hour ago, Paulie said:
Feel for you, @VictoriaP. Whoever designed this application system did a lame job in a rush for elections. I would never imagine that they would simply refuse sponsorship without giving a chance to provide further evidence. Especially considering the cost of the application and the waiting time...
From what I read - I guess we now better re-apply, as there is no review option rather than going to the AAT, which takes years.
If anyone may suggest there is another option to appeal directly to the case officer - pls kindly advise.
Does anyone know if the "application refused" - means that the case is officially closed or there is still a chance for dialog? Thanks.
Yep, I'm pretty annoyed that there is no easy way to appeal. I'm just going to reapply using my husband as the sponsor (and pay AGAIN!) I just haven't got it in me to fight.
The whole process of getting my Mum here is so stressful anyway, without this. She's only just over 2 years in to the 143 queue, so don't expect that to be processed for another 3 years or so. It would be nice if that comes through before the 3 year 870 expires (if she ever gets one), but you know what will happen? The 3yr 870 will expire before the 143 is approved and she'll have to pay another $5,000 for another 3yr 870 visa, on top of the $48,000 for the 143!! It's just getting ridiculously expensive.
I know she could apply for a 5yr 870 visa initially, but it just doesn't make financial sense to be pay double the price for only 2 extra years, who thought that one up anyway? (sigh)
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Just now, LindaH27 said:
I believe your husband could act as sponsor as the website says
Be suitable to sponsor
To be eligible as a Parent Sponsor, you must be at least 18 years of age and be the child of the prospective visa applicant (or the child’s spouse or de facto partner).
Thanks for this Linda. My head is just all over the place at the moment.
I'm so annoyed that I must of missed the details of the income requirements. Plus I do actually earn over half the amount needed, but I do salary packaging at one of my part time jobs ($11,500 extra in my pay) and salary sacrifice into my Super at the other, but these don't show up on my tax assessment as taxable income. I guess I will have to apply again with my husband as the Sponsor this time.
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Sponsorship Refusal - I'm so confused and totally gutted!
Sorry to hear of your sponsorship refusal Paulie, I hope someone can give you some good advice on how to move forward.
I too, after waiting for 131 days have also been refused as a sponsor for my Mum for financial reasons. I am very upset and confused by the decision, as I thought the income threshold was a household income, not individual.
The letter states that I must earn a taxable income of at least half the $83,484 pa, even though my husband's income is over 2.5 times the required amount. Did I miss this requirement for my income level on the application? I just thought it was the total household income.
What happens if one partner doesn't work at all? Does that mean their parent can't apply for a 870, but the partner who earns above that can? Is this right? Could my husband sponsor my Mum or only a blood parent?
I'm in tears over this and such crap timing being informed at the weekend so I can't speak to anyone at Immi, but I'm sure they do that on purpose
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18 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:
There's a button at the top to swop between applicants and sponsors. Also there is then a pull down menu - usually starts off with overview then details others such as sponsor eligibility eg they have to be resident in Australia for 4 years etc.
Thanks for the advice. It's frustrating to be so far outside of the processing time frame without any explanation, but I guess that's Immigration departments for you. I just want to be able to get my Mum's 870 application in, so at least she's in the queue.
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29 minutes ago, Dotty7 said:
Home Affairs just updated sponsorship processing time on 870visa.
75% in 78 days
90% in 85 days.
nothing yet on parent Applicant side.
Hi Dotty7,
Well, I'm feeling pretty unlucky. I have been waiting 129 days so far to be approved as a sponsor for my Mum from the UK. I've already rung them to chase and was told that they are not waiting on any more info from me. Please can you tell me where to find the stats you posted so when I call Immi to chase again, I can quote them.
I'm so worried that by the time I get approved, I will have missed out on one of the 15,000 870 visas allocated for this year. Thanks for your help.
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This is what I don’t get. When I rang immi to check on the progress of my sponsorship approval, they told me that they aren’t waiting on any more info from me and I was in the queue to be processed. I applied on the 29th April and still nothing and others are being approved in a month. It just doesn’t make sense and is not fair. Surely they should be processed in date order! Not a happy bunny!
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Sorry I'm a bit confused.... does the 870 applicant need to have a medical? I can't see this on the immi website and thought as they are not eligible for Medicare, that it wouldn't be necessary.
Also - I applied for sponsorship approval on the 29th April - still nothing, which is making me a bit worried.
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3 minutes ago, Anks said:
Just bumped into this article
Immigration Minister David Coleman says, 1300 sponsorship applications and 170 visa applications have been lodged.
“As expected there has been strong demand for the new visa,” Mr Coleman said."
Quote from the article which baffles me is 170 visa applications have been lodged ( out of the quota of 15000) and still its adjudged as strong demand.
Thanks so much for posting this.
I applied for sponsorship 12 days after it opened (29th April) - heard nothing yet. Good to hear that some approvals have actually happened and the amount of sponsorship applications are at a level which mean my Mum has a chance at being one of the 15,000 approved this year.
I spoke to Immi today to find out how long a police check lasts, as I was thinking of getting one done for my Mum in advance, so that once I'm approved (hopefully) she can apply for the 870 straight away. He told be they last 12 months, so wouldn't suggest getting one done until requested. He said as it's a new visa that they had no idea how long the processing will take - surely it won't be over a year from now? So frustrating! (sigh)
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Applied for 870 sponsorship 29th April - nothing yet. Just seems strange that so few applicants have been approved, especially now that the actual 870 visa applications are open.
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24 minutes ago, youngfreewild said:
Hi Victoria, we are in a very similar situation. We applied for the 143 in May 2017. Like you, we just want our mum over now and as the wait time keeps getting longer and longer, we don't have much choice but to pay the crazy high visa cost for the 870! We can't apply for sponsorship until July, then we will be applying for the 870 as soon as we have that approved. It sounds like we don't need to worry too much about the 15,000 limit being reached. Phew!
Yep fingers crossed both our Mum's will be ok for this years allocation. I'll post with an update when I hear something
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2 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:
Which one are you going for - the 3 or 5 year?
I'm thinking the 3 year as the cost is so high, then we will have to extend it if her 143 isn't approved in time. The costs of it all are really racking up, but don't think we have a choice. She could come over and apply for the onshore CPV, but would go back to the beginning of the queue again which isn't an option.
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7 minutes ago, LindaH27 said:
No only 400 have applied so far so you won’t have a problem! Think you may have applied a bit too early
Taken from a post about doc above this post
Sponsored Parent (Temporary) visa (subclass 870)
At the date of the meeting, 400 sponsorship applications had been submitted. While it is surprising that the figure is relatively low; it was felt that perhaps people might be holding off and waiting for the election results; as Labour had undertaken to relax the Temporary Parent Visa should they be elected.
We raised our concerns about the lack of detailed regulations and policy not being released in a timely manner prior to commencement of the sponsorship; and pointed out there were flaws within the online application.
The Department was intending to commence processing applications within 2 weeks of sponsorships being available (around the 3rd week in May).
The Department fully expects that the Subclass 870 visa may be used as an interim measure by parents waiting for the processing of their 173/143 applications. 870 visa applicants will not be refused on GTE grounds where 173/143 applications have been lodged.
Obviously cost had put people off - so far!
Thanks for this Linda, hopefully my Mum will be ok for this year then. Yep I submitted my sponsorship application a week after it opened, so pretty hot off the mark lol.
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On 27/05/2019 at 11:59, Anks said:
So now when the elections are over, has anyone applied for Subclass 870 the temp long stay parent visa which was a talk of the town for almost 4 years. With its exorbitant fees is this visa category having its own quota or affecting the parent visa category quota?
I applied to be a sponsor for my Mum for this visa on 30th April 2019. Not heard anything so far and I have no idea how long the sponsor processing for this will take.
Not happy about the cost, but don't feel like we have a choice. Mum applied for 143 June 2017 thinking it would be a 2.5/3 year process, but the now 5/6 year wait in the UK is just too long for her circumstances. I'm just hoping that she gets one of the 15,000 places available this year, she can't apply until the end of July due to being away and as this visa has been long awaited for, I expect there will be so many people applying, she may miss out. More stress and more expense.
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7 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:
This is most probably a reference to the tax deduction in the UK for mortgage interest, which is limiting the rate of tax relief to the basic rate only.
Most who are living in Australia wi
9 minutes ago, Alan Collett said:So far as I know you can't apply for an 870 visa yet.
Applications can though be lodged by the sponsor for approval.
If you are stuck maybe it is time to appoint a registered migration agent?
Best regards.
ll not be paying tax at 40%, so unlikely to be an issue.
Best regards.
Sorry, meant to say the Sponsorship application for the 870. I may have to end up doing that Alan, but as you can understand the costs for this visa on top of the 143 my Mum has applied for are astronomical. If I can save a bit of money and do it myself that would be great, but yes, I may end up throwing in the towel and asking for help.
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On 20/04/2019 at 16:19, Alan Collett said:
Yes - you need to get the order/your visa strategy right!
Best regards.
Just wondering if anyone has applied for the 870 yet. I started the application last week on behalf of my Mum, saved and logged out, as I had to wait for my police check,. Now when I log in it won't let me attached any new documents. Plus I'm finding it really confusing, as it doesn't say which docs are mandatory, as not all of documents in the drop down box are relevant to my Mum. Gosh this is so confusing and frustrating too
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On 12/08/2018 at 01:22, Tulip1 said:
Yes she would need international medical insurance that would cover everything, that won't be cheap at aged 80.
On 11/08/2018 at 23:23, Tulip1 said:I think the deportation bit was about when she gets to the front of the queue for actual visa she will have to have a medical. If she fails that then she would face going back to the uk as she would be denied the PR and therefore would no longer have a bridging visa.
OP, does your mum really want to up sticks and relocate at the old age of 80? I can't imagine many would.
Yes she would need full medical insurance. Bupa have an Overseas Visitors policy and have quoted me $187 pcm for Basic Hospital and Your Choice Extras, which is pretty good in my opinion. There is no limit on age for this cover, so even if she is on the BV for 5 years or so, that is definitely affordable.
And yes, there are many 80 years old who would like nothing more to be with their families in their twilight years, rather than being all alone back in the UK!
Plus for the people who mentioned that she would not be eligible to the NHS if she's been in Aus for a couple of years and needs to go back to the UK, I found this on www.gov.uk, so I'm a bit confused as why she wouldn't be eligible -
Returning to the UK to settle
Citizens who return to the UK on a settled basis will be classed as ordinarily resident, and will be eligible for free NHS care immediately.
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1 hour ago, SusieRoo said:
Yes, unfortunately it’s back to the start and pay the initial fee again. But if I were you I would scratch the 143 application and bring your mum out on a tourist visa, then apply for a 864. She can then stay on a bridging visa while the application is processed. The aged parent visa channels have both ground to a holt in the last 12 months, so you can probably expect 10 years wait, but nobody really knows. I would value the time with mum over the vagaries (and vulgarities) of the Australian parent visa system.
Hi Susie, thanks for this, yes I suspected as much. And I agree, having my Mum here for her last few years will be worth the risk. Immigration will probably force our hand, as she can't wait until she's 90! And if heaven-forbid she fails the medical and gets deported, we'll have to just deal with that when it happens - what's the alternative!!
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1 hour ago, LindaH27 said:
I believe you would have to withdraw the 143 application and start again with a new lodgement date onshore for 864 and the bridging visa would start after the end of the tourist visa - but as many have said its a risky strategy, if they considered she had come on a tourist visa with the intent to stay they could refuse entrance and set a three year ban on returning. Processing times seem set to follow 143 times. She would not covered by Medicare whilst in a bridging visa. Private health insurance (especially for older people) is very expensive. She would still have to pass a medical. I believe there was a case a few months ago where the elderly parent on 864 was going to be deported as her medical costs were too high.
I don’t think there are any quick ways now to get a parent visa!
Yep, there are definitely risks involved either way. And let's all be honest, how many people genuinely come over for a holiday and then suddenly decide they want to live here permanently, not many I suspect, it is not something that people do on a whim. And actually it was Immigration that told me about swapping my Mum to the 864 the next time she was here and even gave me the details of which form to complete. With my Mum's age and the wait times now, even paying such a high fee, Immigration has left people like us with very few options.
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1 hour ago, ramot said:
Sorry I can’t give you any definite answers.
We applied for the 864 visa last year on the mistaken understanding that it would be processed in 1 year.
All I can tell you from sending a blank email to parents@ home affairs that there has only been 6 weeks movement for a single 864 visa to be processed. It has moved from September 2016 to October 2016 and then absolutely nothing. Some thoughts are that they are delaying issuing to bring the 864 in line with the 143 waiting times but who knows.
Mystic Meg might know more!!!
I can’t give you advice about applying onshore, that’s your decision. Some people think it’s wrong to come on a visitors visa and apply onshore, in case entry is refused, but many do just that. We are in a different position as we already live in Australia as self funded retirees on a visa that finished in 2005. You will need to find out the Medicare position, what would your mother be covered for on a bridging visa should she need costly treatment etc. Could she/you afford private health which again might be very expensive.
Sorry I can’t help more than the above. It’s the lies we are fed when we apply for a visa that absolutely apalls me.
Shame that the theoretical new 5/10 year parent visa hasn’t materialised yet.
Thanks for your message. Yep, it seems that we all make decisions on the information that we are given at the time and then the goal posts are constantly moving.
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My Mum's story .... We applied for 143 in June 2017 as the processing times then were around 30-36 months, but it seems like that is going to blow out considerably. Mum has just turned 80 and is living in the UK on her own with no family support at all. I can't leave her there alone for another 3/4 years!
I'm thinking of bringing her over and then applying for the 864 visa instead, so at least she is here while it's being processed. Can anyone tell me if we do this, does she go back to the start of the queue again as it is a different visa? I know we have to pay the initial fee again so I'm assuming she would start at the beginning of the queue unfortunately. Also is there anyone out there who can give me some idea of the 864 processing times? Immigration wouldn't give me any idea at all.
Thanks so much guys.
870 parents temporary visa
in Family / Partner Visas
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Just keep in mind that you need to leave the country for 3 months before applying for the next 870 visa and depending how long the processing is at the time, or whether they have reached the yearly limit, it will mean that you will need to have somewhere else to live outside Australia every time you renew. OK if you do, but just something to think.