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Just keep in mind that you need to leave the country for 3 months before applying for the next 870 visa and depending how long the processing is at the time, or whether they have reached the yearly limit, it will mean that you will need to have somewhere else to live outside Australia every time you renew. OK if you do, but just something to think.
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The first rejection was my fault as my taxable income (due to salary packaging) was just below the minimum requirement. I really don't think a 3 year 870 will be anywhere near long enough. Even if we get a CO in 3 years from now, we can all see how long it actually takes for approval from that point. End of 2015 applicants are only just being processed now and the processing times are only going to get longer. If we applied for the 3 year and then looked at extending, I don't have any family outside Australia that my Mum could live with for the approx 6 months it would take to apply/be approved for a further 870, so that wasn't an option. To be honest, I'm worried that the 143 approval will take even longer than the time we have until this 5 year 870 expires. Immigration move the goalposts constantly so nothing is certain, but we will have to deal with that if and when it happens.
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Yep, that's a real worry for me as I have no idea where my Mum would go for that time. I just hope that her 143 is processed before her 5 year 870 expires. 143 applied June 2017, so I'm thinking it will be pretty tight, but this was the only option for her other than bringing her here then swapping to the onshore CPV and going back to the beginning of the queue again. We just have to hope for the best.
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Yep, I'm pretty annoyed that there is no easy way to appeal. I'm just going to reapply using my husband as the sponsor (and pay AGAIN!) I just haven't got it in me to fight. The whole process of getting my Mum here is so stressful anyway, without this. She's only just over 2 years in to the 143 queue, so don't expect that to be processed for another 3 years or so. It would be nice if that comes through before the 3 year 870 expires (if she ever gets one), but you know what will happen? The 3yr 870 will expire before the 143 is approved and she'll have to pay another $5,000 for another 3yr 870 visa, on top of the $48,000 for the 143!! It's just getting ridiculously expensive. I know she could apply for a 5yr 870 visa initially, but it just doesn't make financial sense to be pay double the price for only 2 extra years, who thought that one up anyway? (sigh)
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Thanks for this Linda. My head is just all over the place at the moment. I'm so annoyed that I must of missed the details of the income requirements. Plus I do actually earn over half the amount needed, but I do salary packaging at one of my part time jobs ($11,500 extra in my pay) and salary sacrifice into my Super at the other, but these don't show up on my tax assessment as taxable income. I guess I will have to apply again with my husband as the Sponsor this time.
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Sponsorship Refusal - I'm so confused and totally gutted! Sorry to hear of your sponsorship refusal Paulie, I hope someone can give you some good advice on how to move forward. I too, after waiting for 131 days have also been refused as a sponsor for my Mum for financial reasons. I am very upset and confused by the decision, as I thought the income threshold was a household income, not individual. The letter states that I must earn a taxable income of at least half the $83,484 pa, even though my husband's income is over 2.5 times the required amount. Did I miss this requirement for my income level on the application? I just thought it was the total household income. What happens if one partner doesn't work at all? Does that mean their parent can't apply for a 870, but the partner who earns above that can? Is this right? Could my husband sponsor my Mum or only a blood parent? I'm in tears over this and such crap timing being informed at the weekend so I can't speak to anyone at Immi, but I'm sure they do that on purpose
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Thanks for the advice. It's frustrating to be so far outside of the processing time frame without any explanation, but I guess that's Immigration departments for you. I just want to be able to get my Mum's 870 application in, so at least she's in the queue.
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Hi Dotty7, Well, I'm feeling pretty unlucky. I have been waiting 129 days so far to be approved as a sponsor for my Mum from the UK. I've already rung them to chase and was told that they are not waiting on any more info from me. Please can you tell me where to find the stats you posted so when I call Immi to chase again, I can quote them. I'm so worried that by the time I get approved, I will have missed out on one of the 15,000 870 visas allocated for this year. Thanks for your help.
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This is what I don’t get. When I rang immi to check on the progress of my sponsorship approval, they told me that they aren’t waiting on any more info from me and I was in the queue to be processed. I applied on the 29th April and still nothing and others are being approved in a month. It just doesn’t make sense and is not fair. Surely they should be processed in date order! Not a happy bunny!
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Sorry I'm a bit confused.... does the 870 applicant need to have a medical? I can't see this on the immi website and thought as they are not eligible for Medicare, that it wouldn't be necessary. Also - I applied for sponsorship approval on the 29th April - still nothing, which is making me a bit worried.
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Thanks so much for posting this. I applied for sponsorship 12 days after it opened (29th April) - heard nothing yet. Good to hear that some approvals have actually happened and the amount of sponsorship applications are at a level which mean my Mum has a chance at being one of the 15,000 approved this year. I spoke to Immi today to find out how long a police check lasts, as I was thinking of getting one done for my Mum in advance, so that once I'm approved (hopefully) she can apply for the 870 straight away. He told be they last 12 months, so wouldn't suggest getting one done until requested. He said as it's a new visa that they had no idea how long the processing will take - surely it won't be over a year from now? So frustrating! (sigh)
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Applied for 870 sponsorship 29th April - nothing yet. Just seems strange that so few applicants have been approved, especially now that the actual 870 visa applications are open.
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Yep fingers crossed both our Mum's will be ok for this years allocation. I'll post with an update when I hear something
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I'm thinking the 3 year as the cost is so high, then we will have to extend it if her 143 isn't approved in time. The costs of it all are really racking up, but don't think we have a choice. She could come over and apply for the onshore CPV, but would go back to the beginning of the queue again which isn't an option.
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Thanks for this Linda, hopefully my Mum will be ok for this year then. Yep I submitted my sponsorship application a week after it opened, so pretty hot off the mark lol.
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I applied to be a sponsor for my Mum for this visa on 30th April 2019. Not heard anything so far and I have no idea how long the sponsor processing for this will take. Not happy about the cost, but don't feel like we have a choice. Mum applied for 143 June 2017 thinking it would be a 2.5/3 year process, but the now 5/6 year wait in the UK is just too long for her circumstances. I'm just hoping that she gets one of the 15,000 places available this year, she can't apply until the end of July due to being away and as this visa has been long awaited for, I expect there will be so many people applying, she may miss out. More stress and more expense.
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ll not be paying tax at 40%, so unlikely to be an issue. Best regards. Sorry, meant to say the Sponsorship application for the 870. I may have to end up doing that Alan, but as you can understand the costs for this visa on top of the 143 my Mum has applied for are astronomical. If I can save a bit of money and do it myself that would be great, but yes, I may end up throwing in the towel and asking for help.
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Just wondering if anyone has applied for the 870 yet. I started the application last week on behalf of my Mum, saved and logged out, as I had to wait for my police check,. Now when I log in it won't let me attached any new documents. Plus I'm finding it really confusing, as it doesn't say which docs are mandatory, as not all of documents in the drop down box are relevant to my Mum. Gosh this is so confusing and frustrating too
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Yes she would need full medical insurance. Bupa have an Overseas Visitors policy and have quoted me $187 pcm for Basic Hospital and Your Choice Extras, which is pretty good in my opinion. There is no limit on age for this cover, so even if she is on the BV for 5 years or so, that is definitely affordable. And yes, there are many 80 years old who would like nothing more to be with their families in their twilight years, rather than being all alone back in the UK! Plus for the people who mentioned that she would not be eligible to the NHS if she's been in Aus for a couple of years and needs to go back to the UK, I found this on www.gov.uk, so I'm a bit confused as why she wouldn't be eligible - Returning to the UK to settle Citizens who return to the UK on a settled basis will be classed as ordinarily resident, and will be eligible for free NHS care immediately.
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Hi Susie, thanks for this, yes I suspected as much. And I agree, having my Mum here for her last few years will be worth the risk. Immigration will probably force our hand, as she can't wait until she's 90! And if heaven-forbid she fails the medical and gets deported, we'll have to just deal with that when it happens - what's the alternative!!
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Yep, there are definitely risks involved either way. And let's all be honest, how many people genuinely come over for a holiday and then suddenly decide they want to live here permanently, not many I suspect, it is not something that people do on a whim. And actually it was Immigration that told me about swapping my Mum to the 864 the next time she was here and even gave me the details of which form to complete. With my Mum's age and the wait times now, even paying such a high fee, Immigration has left people like us with very few options.
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Thanks for your message. Yep, it seems that we all make decisions on the information that we are given at the time and then the goal posts are constantly moving.
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My Mum's story .... We applied for 143 in June 2017 as the processing times then were around 30-36 months, but it seems like that is going to blow out considerably. Mum has just turned 80 and is living in the UK on her own with no family support at all. I can't leave her there alone for another 3/4 years! I'm thinking of bringing her over and then applying for the 864 visa instead, so at least she is here while it's being processed. Can anyone tell me if we do this, does she go back to the start of the queue again as it is a different visa? I know we have to pay the initial fee again so I'm assuming she would start at the beginning of the queue unfortunately. Also is there anyone out there who can give me some idea of the 864 processing times? Immigration wouldn't give me any idea at all. Thanks so much guys.
