SteveR

I don't know how to close this thread.

Given the fantastic advice and insight from some of the posts, we have decided to scrap the trip over in favour of going straight for the 189 application (which was our original plan) to save us £1000's and enable us to take more with us when we get there.

I can't thank all who posted enough for taking the time to give me your opinions, we really appreciate it.

Cheers

Just go for it mate. You'll be homesick for god knows how long. You'll have urges to move back at times. But just stick to it

 

I went out to Aus earlier this year for a couple of weeks. The second week I was there I went to go get my hair cut and the hair dresser made a right shambles of it. I ALMOST booked a flight back home there and then just because of how much of a mess my hair was! It's little comforts like that which you will miss, well.. It is for me anyway! If I could take my hair dresser over with me - I would!

Cheers PomCop.

As I mentioned in a few post earlier, it is looking like that is the plan. Emailed GoMatilda to get our application underway so just waiting to hear back from them. I am not too concerned about homesickness for me as I have lived abroad before (in China and in Greece) but I am concerned about my wife and kids. We agreed that we would give it 2 years minimum to see how everyone gets on and we would keep money back in the bank in case it didn't work out to get us home.

My recommendation would not be to go on a tourist visa - I have read most of the thread and based on what you have said I would apply for your 189 visa and then head out for 12 months. Spend 3-6 months travelling and don't worry about your children's education, they will develop more in that time than any school education could possibly achieve and then settle somewhere for 6-9 months - you and your partner will be free to work if you wish, you'll be able to rent a property rather than holiday accommodation (which is very expensive) and your children will be able to go to school i.e. you can live like an Australian for 6 months.

 

With hindsight I wish that is what we had done - we did a 5 week reccie, with two weeks in Perth and even though we tried to do all the right things there is no way of really knowing what living there would be like.

 

If it's not for you then you have wasted the cost of the visa but a 6 month holiday from work doesn't come cheap and unless you are working in Australia you really will not get anything like a realistic picture of life there - the longer working day meant I got home in the dark most of the year, something that didn't really sink in on 'holiday'.

 

At the end of the year either head back to the UK having had one hell of an adventure or head back for a holiday to finalise your affairs (if you are selling your house before you go that'll be easy) and making a permanent move.

Thank you so much Lady Rainicorn, your post and snifter's and Gbye Grey Sky's have helped massively. As I mentioned above, my wife and I are re-thinking our plans and your post has possibly pushed us back toward our original plan of just going for it.

Can't thank you all enough for your advice.

Steve

There is doing a reccie and doing a reccie :wink: A reccie is usually a few weeks, (often to validate the visas if you don't plan to move quite quickly) and usually in the area you are keen to settle in.

 

Honestly, as has been said, I don't think it helps much to spend 3-6 months somewhere to help test the waters. Its a huge expense and commitment with no income, no incomings, just outgoings that could go toward a visa application and move.

 

And yes, it can often take a while to settle, find your feet and so on once you migrate and no amount of holidaying is going to prepare you for this IMHO.

 

Many visit Aus before they move, usually for a shorter holiday or to validate. Some move without ever having visited the place.

 

Research well, ensure there is a job market that is offering your line of work in your preferred area and be prepared that it could take a few months to secure employment once you migrate. Your budget for a long holiday would be better spent going toward the savings to cover you for this eventuality. Also keep in mind that Australia is a big place and where you start off may not be for you in the long term and you can always look to moving within Aus if you want. If you really don't like it full stop or suffer terrible homesickness that cannot be overcome nor eases, a return to the UK is also a move then to consider.

 

If you can afford a holiday for a few weeks for all 6 of you, great, go for it and enjoy. But you really don't need to be spending longer to see if you like it or want to do it. I think its wise to be reconsidering the 3-6 month stay and to either reduce it right down to just go for the visa and research all you can while applying and waiting.

Thanks Snifter, really appreciate this. Valuable experience is far better than anything else. We are now re-thinking our plans.

Cheers

We researched heavily from the UK and undertook our recce with one child last year and had 10 days in Oz. And we already had visas. A few more days would not have hurt us but am of the view that 3-6 months could end up confusing you all with potential options.

 

Your budget for this would have to be substantial unless you have some cheap accommodation lined up and a car. If you are thinking that you need months to establish if you are likely to settle permanently I am not sure that this will cut it either. Your time in Oz will not be 'normal' life and even if it were many will testify that it can take two years or more for everything to settle into place.

 

So what happens if at the end of 6 or 12 months as tourists in Oz some or all of you have doubts about the move. Doubts will probably always exist and you either take the plunge or you don't. I fear you are over-thinking it.

Gbye Grey Sky, thank you so much for this reply.

My wife and I have just been talking about pretty much what you have said just now. As it stands it is looking more and more that we just take the plunge. I have no doubts at all but my wife does (although this is seemingly becoming less and less) and if I had my visa handed to me today I would get going immediately.

With all the costs assigned to going for 1,2,3 months etc, it is looking like it will outweigh the cost of the visa app and the flights there.

Perhaps after all this we may end up just going on permanent.

Thank you again

In some circumstances they can study for up to 3 months but you would be looking at very high fees.

 

The correct way would be to secure your visa then move over, or go for a holiday then apply for a visa. There is no visa suitable for trying out the country before. What happens if you decide to go and can not get a visa? You have sold your house, you plan is all a bit backwards.

We always planned to sell the house as we want to leave the town we live in. The extended trip was a by-product of selling up. If we were not successful with the app (which we should be as my job is on the skills shortage list) then we would relocate anyway.

I am not looking for a 'try before you buy' visa, I am looking to give us as much time as we need to decide it is what we want.

If your children are going to be out of school for 3-6 months travelling Australia I'd consider the home school approach and that the trip is an education in itself also. My hubby spent 6 months backpacking round Europe when he was a child with his mum and younger brother (both kids under 10 at the time and in school in Aus). They spent 3 months in one country living in a town, experiencing it all and then 3 months travelling Europe. They saw and learnt lots and had an amazing time.

 

I'd plan on keeping up their reading, writing and so on with them keeping a diary of what they see and do perhaps? Buy some books on the way in charity shops, same with toys and other things and then donate them back once you are done with them. Take in the sights, ensure they actually don't just go look at a view without the story behind it IYKWIM. Take tours, meet the wildlife, visit museums and have some fun with all the things they can see, do and learn.

 

I'd focus on areas you do actually have on a short list as possible to live. No point going to Perth if it isn't on your radar job wise. Focus on the towns and cities that appeal and have visa sponsorship for your trade/profession. Also remember not to get caught up in the holiday thing and make sure you really look beneath the surface of it all.

 

ETA - Also research if you can remove your kids from school for that long and still keep their places. It may be you'll lose their school spots and be stuffed in that respect on your return.

 

ETA 2 - Personally, I think a 3-6 month research 'holiday' is probably overkill with 4 kids. I'd consider a month, using some UK school holiday time and then paying the fines for the other couple of weeks and focus on 2 or 3 places in whichever state or states and just have the 4 weeks. 3-4 months is a long time for kids to be out of things. My hubby and his brother did fine as his Mum is a primary teacher and so kept up their learning without really missing much.

Thank you for this reply, it is brilliant.

I can get in on a 189 so I am comfortable with selling my house. If we are not successful with the app (there is no reason why we wouldnt be) we are looking to leave our own town in any case so the trip to Oz was a by-product of us agreeing to move.

We have been given options by the school in regards to work so we can keep up with it if necessary and home-schooling is one of them but something I would rather not do if we can have them educated professionally.

The plan is to go straight to Brisbane and look around there for home, school, places of work etc but also have a holiday too, hence the 3-6 month thought.

Thanks again

Agree with this. A 457 with 4 kids and selling your house would be a huge risk. Not worth it IMHO.

I am a skilled engineer so I qualify for a 189 so would not entertain a .457 at all. Cheers

You're planning on selling your house before you have a visa? Not awfully wise - many a slip and all that!

Surely we can rent before we move to Australia?

You're planning on selling your house before you have a visa? Not awfully wise - many a slip and all that!

Hi Quoll. Thanks for replying. I am in between a rock and a hard place as all of our money is tied up in our house. If we sold the house and rented in the UK until we were ready to go surely that would be proof of residence here in the UK before?

Are any of you children school age? They will not be able to attend school without a relevant visa, twelve months is a long time to go without schooling.

Thank you Sammy for bringing that up. Two of my children are of school age and we would like them to be schooled while we are there. I know some people tend to think that we don't need to go for 3 months to decide where we are going to move to but I disagree as we want to get it right first time. Are you aware of what visa we would need to apply for in order to get them into school please?

This page explains Visitor Visa options:

 

http://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visi/Visi#

Thank you Skani, this is what I was looking for.

Thank you Rammygirl.

Hi Bungo

Perhaps I wrote my question a little less clearly than it read when I made it.

My point is that there are options where you pay, don't pay, can stay without leaving, have to leave every 3 months etc etc. I want to get the right one and don't want to have to pay for flights to leave the country after three months if we decide to stay that long.

Ideally I would like a 6 month or 12 month visa so we can decide when to leave. I just need to know if these are free or if you have to pay. I want to make sure I get everything right in advance of my visa app next year.

Thanks

Hi All

My wife and I decided upon emigrating (subject to successful visa app of course) a while ago. We are now at the stage where we can being planning as our house is almost ready to go on the market.

We are planning a 3-6 month trip out there before hand to stay in places we want to look at before we decided where to live when we move there.

However, I am getting bamboozled with varying options on the tourist visa side of things.

Some people say you don't need to pay, you can stay for 12 months without leaving, you can't stay for 12 months, you need to leave every 3 months, it is free, it is £150 .... the list is endless.

I would be hugely grateful if someone could please give me some advice as to what Tourist Visa is recommended for us.

We are 2 adults and 4 young children. We want to stay between 3 and 6 months and don't want to have to leave before the end of the trip (ie, after 3 months).

Thank you in advance of your help/advice

Steve

Thanks for answering. Glad you are happy with the choices you made too.

After accidentally staying for 7 more years I can see that it is still the right place to aim for.

Thanks again

Hi. Tried to pm you a week ago or so. I am a hydraulic testing systems installation engineer (since May 2004) which is high pressure pipework (4500 psi under test) and I would like to know if you are still looking for pipe fitters?

Hi. I was going to ask the same as Kimbodia as Brisbane is our destination of choice too.

Congrats mate

Hi

Really sorry to hear your bad news today. I am just getting started on mine but from the UK.

I don't know much about your process but Ozmaniac above seems to have all that covered. However, I would say that if you need an agent, I was recommended Go Matilda.... they are fantastic and well worth their fees. They have offices in Oz too.

Good luck

Hi Jac2011

Thanks for the advice. Really appreciated.

Thank you for the reply.

My skill is on the wanted list (pipe-fitting is essentially what I do which covers industrial, commercial and domestic pipework) and I do qualify for a 457. The next part is where I fall over as all the migration agents I have come across so far have not really helped.

What I really need is to wipe the slate clean, forget what I have been told and start again. I will look at Gomatilda.

Thanks very much

Steve

Hi

I am new to PomsinOz so if this is in the wrong forum then I apologise in advance.

I am a hydraulic engineer, based in NW England, looking to move my wife and 4 young children to Oz.

I have 11 years continuous experience in this field, including installation of over 10000mtrs of 20-60mm steel pipework and various pieces of hydraulic equipment together with sales and servicing of hydraulic equipment.

In an ideal world I would be looking for sponsorship (which I know does not come about often) or help and advice on locating reputable companies in my field.

I really appreciate any replies (even the bad ones) offering any such advice

Thanks for reading

Steve

Hi All,

I am new to PomsinOz but not new to banging my head against a brick wall having wasted time with companies saying "we can help you" and "yeah no problem, we will get you in" over the last 12 months.

My wife and I have decided to step up trying to get a 457 visa in 2015 after having a few 'companies' waste our time during 2014.

I am a skilled worker (hydraulic installation engineer with 11 years consecutive experience) and my wife and I want to make the move to Australia for us and our 4 young children.

Does anyone in NW England have any experiences with people who can help turn our dream into reality?

Any advice would be really appreciated.

Cheers

Steve