Needtoknow

On ‎26‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 08:21, Raul Senise said:

So in your opinion having a dysfunctional student visa system is acceptable as it makes lots of money. Using student visas to obtain Permanent Residency is also acceptable because we can’t compete with other world student market otherwise? What about quality education?

If exploitation of workers and taking jobs from Australians is your concern, the student visa industry is a major culprit. There are no measures in place to enforce salaries for student visa holders in the workforce and no labour market testing of any kind. Many international student are not English literate and easily open to exploitation by unscrupulous employers.

Flooding? 457 applicants make up approximately 1% of the labour market!

This could be easily addressed without destroying an overall very successful program for political gain.

Again, these make up a very small percentage but attract huge media coverage. It is not the norm and the vast majority use the program legally and as it was intended. Look up the statistics on 457 monitoring and sanctions, they are publicly available.

It is very easy to cherry pick information that conforms to your own views.

That is a weak argument and not true.

If you vehemently put forward a specific view which is not based on fact, you will be challenged.

This is not critique, it is debate.

No one has attacked or offended you have they?

Your opinion is simply being put up to the scrutiny, which you do not appear to have done yourself.

WELL SAID RAUL!!! This person will not stop  

On ‎9‎/‎05‎/‎2017 at 18:56, VERYSTORMY said:

The only ever way to apply for permanent residence from a 457 was to apply for a totally separate visa. The 186 and 187 are totally separate visas which carry with them some provisions for those applying from a 457 - though there is no requirement to have ever held a 457.

The rules on visas and the entire system change regularly and it is important that people arrive understanding they have the visa that has been granted and not in a hope that they may be able to apply for something later. Doing so is silly as even when there are not major changes, the lists change regularly and occupations disappear

Yes, but the TRT scheme uses the separate 186 visa. The understanding that you can apply for TRT route to permanency comes with the 457 visa and this is the understanding of the new employee and the employer.

I have sent my details. Thank you

Does anyone know which agents in Sydney area would deal efficiently with an urgent PR visa application?

Thank you.

Hi everyone. I wonder if you can help. We have been here for under a year on a 457 , my question is...I am 45 this year. Will I still be able to apply for PR next year when the 1st 2 years are up? Have the new 457 rules changed this from 50 to 45?

Thank you

Hello!

We moved to the Shellharbour area 3 weeks ago with our 2 kids (9&7). Does anyone fancy meeting up at one of the parks or beaches? Would be great to meet up with other ex-pats and their families.

Hi I have just moved to the Penrith area from the UK and will be at Shellharbour on Saturday as my brother lives there. We are hoping to move to that area when our rental is up. So if you fancy meeting up that would be nice.

Have yoiu found any more ex-pats in that area yet?

Be careful with that "likely" comment as I doubt very much that any Teacher Registration Board in Australia will give you any sort of temporary registration with a three year qualification. Also if you are in Australia and pursuing the further year of teacher training at university, you will be classed as an international student and the feels will be horrendous. Not insurmountable of course, just very expensive.

Thanks,but I was definately told this information and have it in an email from the dept.

I realise the cost of international fees, so I was thinking of doing a UK masters (distance learning)?

Yes this is true. I worked for two years as a casual with conditional registration, as my degree is also 3 years.

However, I´m now enrolled on a Special Education Masters to enable me to apply for a 189/190 visa to return permanently. Primary Teachers are not on the SOL so if you are going to do another year of study I wouldn´t do it in Primary Ed, as you still won´t qualify then. I´m appyling as an SEN teacher. Unless, you do the Masters in Australia.

Thank you for this. I wasn't making it up. That's what I was told.

So if I do a Special Ed Masters in UK or Australia would this qualify me to do that job even though I've never studied or worked in a special school?

Also, isn't primary teachingon the CSOL and therefore, as long as you can get sponsored by NT, is it ok to apply that way?

If you are using teaching as a basis for a visa application then you will need four years of study, even if a teaching board was to consider your three year degree for casual work (not usual).

 

To pass a skills assessment for a visa you must have four years of university study, AITSL will not accept anything less.

Yes absolutely Sammy. I had mine rejected and would not apply to AITSL until I have my other year. There is no chance of being accepted which is why I will take my fourth year of study.

It's possible? I submitted all extra information 9 weeks ago and have so far heard nothing back, despite phone calls and emails to the immigration department :-(

 

Jen

Hi Jen. May I ask when your nomination was approved? Thanks

Hi, thanks for your response. My degree was a 3 year BA (Hons) in Primary education with QTS. I will look into completing an extra year of study if this will help.

Ditto. I have the same qualification and feel your pain! It is an absolute nightmare and I am still trying to decide what to do about it!

However, I rang the registration board in NSW and they said I would be likely to get conditional registration to teach casually whilst getting my extra year in order to be provisionally registered.

We had to send certified copies. These were scanned over. This had to be signed, dated and stamped by a notary public and not just any solicitor. It cost us £170 for passport page and trade certs!

I am doing my own Visa Application and came across the statement "Certified Copies" of Birth Certificates etc. What are Certified Copies. I have spent a few pounds getting copies of Marriage Lines. Divorce Papers, Birth Certificates, etc. All I have done so far is photo copy them with a view to send them in. Are these documents acceptable?

As long as your original primary degree satisfies AITSL (in terms of content), then any full time one year course may make you eligible to meet the four year university study criteria. It is of course more beneficial to study an area of education.

 

Primary teachers are not in demand (we have a massive over supply), so do consider that before you study. Perhaps consider training to be a secondary teacher, if Australia is your goal.

 

There are never any guarantees though, so it is hard to say if it will 'definitely' get you a visa/job.

Hi Sammy. Which one year degree could I do though? Aren't all 1 year degrees just masters?

Please see my comments to Rosie regarding the secondary posts. I sent those questions to the wrong person.

I would do it if there is a way to do it without doing another full 3 or 4 yr degree. Thanks for replying.

Before you invest any funds at all in emigrating as a primary school teacher you need to decide if your main priority is a ticket to a visa, or to continue in your profession. There is a massive oversupply of primary teachers in Australia. You need to think about what other employable skills you have in the event that you invest in a visa but cannot find work when you arrive.

Thanks Rosie. I may be able to come on my husband's 457 if he gets it, so it doesn't necessarily have to be for a visa. However, I have heard it's not definite he will get PR so this was an idea as an insurance policy if you like.

I am aware of the over supply of teachers and it worries me, but my strengths lie with teaching and I can't see me doing anything else with a primary teaching degree. Unless anyone has advice? Could I try secondary? If I could do a 1 year course I would try that. Any ideas? It's just that at my age I can't do another 4 year course to get a maths degree or whatever subject really and wouldn't this be necessary to teach a secondary subject?

Have you considered coming to Australia on a student visa and completing a post grad program here? The AITSL publishes a list of courses and providers in each State http://www.aitsl.edu.au/initial-teacher-education/accredited-programs-list which meets their accreditation requirements.

 

You may be able to negotiate some advanced standing in a program based on your current teaching quals and experience. Graduate programs tend to have a 'school based' component and hence this provides an opportunity to observe our education system at close quarters, and also to make useful contacts regarding possible future employment opportunities. A grad program may also provide an opportunity to position yourself for employment by training in an area of particular need (eg Primary science/maths)

 

If you subsequently obtain permanent residence the time spent here as a student can also contribute towards the 4 yr qualification period for Australian citizenship.

Everything you said makes absolute sense, but there are reasons I probably can't do these things. I would love to see the system over there, but I think the school based degree is a master of teaching which is 2 years full time.

Firstly, I'm too old for student visa (45) and will need to train for just one year as I will need to work. Then there's the international student fees!

Unless of course, I work on a casual basis and train part time over a longer period. Very frustrating.

Hi. I am a Primary teacher but I need an extra year of university study in order to pass a skills test with AITSL.

I have a bachelor degree in education, but it needed to be 4 and not 3 years.

I asked AITSL and they wouldn't advise on which course to take, but I thought an MA in education would be a good idea.

I don't wish to study but have no choice, so before I embark upon taking a year out for studying and, in the process, it costing me over £10,000 I'd appreciate knowing if 180 UK credits would be accepted. How do these credits compare over there?

I'd really appreciate any advice available.

Thanks

Thanks everyone

Thanks, but the letter that has been sent states that they must be certified?

The rules have changed so if you can colour scan originals then that will do without need for certification.

 

Best of luck

 

Ferrets

I have been asked to send certified copies of docs to immi account. Who can certify them in the UK please? Does it have to be a notary public or can it be any solicitor or another profession certifying them.

Hi Needtoknow

 

Question, was your nomination approved already? Regards

Hi. No I'm afraid it hasn't. Just waiting, waiting and more waiting.

Nomination lodged on 16th march, visa lodged around 23rd march. Nothing until Monday 2nd May when employer has been asked for more information. At least something is happening

Thank you Bungo. We will get this sorted.

Just put yourself on the current appplication NOW. Don't worry about getting evidence first, get yourself on the application and then get your evidence together. Slow it down. If you wait to collect evidence before announcing yourself as a secondary applicant then the visa could be granted in the meantime. So just get your name down on that application ASAP to buy time.

 

Yes 457 applications can take more than two months, but if neither of you have a 457 visa there is no issue. You are just a couple going on holiday and getting married.

 

I do not think that a couple that have been living together for over 12 months are going to have any issue getting a 457 visa together.

 

To the question about whether you would get a tourist visa if you cannot get on the 457 visa well again I can only refer you to my previous posts. That it is going to look odd that one half of a couple has a 457 visa and the other half has a tourist visa.

 

You would certainly get the visa granted, but that is not the problem. A visa grant does not mean you will be admitted to Australia. If the immigration officer sitting at that desk decides your visa is snot fit for purpose, in this case if they decide you are not just here for a holiday, they can send you straight back - visa or no visa.

 

For the love of God, get yourself onto that 457 application. I really cannot keep on repeating myself over and over again, it is incredible to me that you are not already on this application. Anyway I cannot keep saying the same thing over and over again so this is my last post sorry.

Yes on the same application, but by the time my info is ready to lodge we may already have been told he has his visa granted.

So if they then lodge the application for me, and it does come through in the 2 months all is fine, but what if the evidence we have doesn't satisfy them? That's what I mean. Will I then get my tourist visa?

Alternatively, if for some reason it doesn't come through on time (as plenty of people on here have gone past 2 months), then what? I really appreciate you giving your time to answer these questions for me, so I'm sorry for asking more!

Do you mean put you on the same application? In which case why wouldn't it be through in two months? You said you thought it was ready for grant. If it is delayed though, neither of you would have a visa so would both be travelling to Australia on tourist visas and cannot see any reason why there would be any problem whatsoever.

 

One of you on a 457 and the other on a tourist visa is *potentially* an issue for the reasons I have already explained above.

Thanks again Bungo.

So if we apply for me now and it's not through in the 2 months, either due to lack of evidence or refusal would I be able then to go on a tourist visa as we have our wedding booked?

Well iyou mentioend it looked close to being granted, so there is another two months to go? But you wouldn't automatically get a holiday visa if it is not through, you would need to apply for one.

Oh and if we apply now and it doesn't get approved on time (by our flight date in July), will I get a tourist visa to go? Worse still, if it gets rejected due to a lack of evidence, will I get a tourist visa? The holiday and wedding is booked with the travel agent. The Australian request to get married form has been filled in and returned to the marriage celebrant in Oz!

Oh right. We will ring the employer and ask them then. However, apart from evidence in the form of holidays last year, our wedding booking and his money going into my account we don't have anything else to prove our relationship . His money has been going in since December which isn't quite 6 months either. It is a continuing thing though.

 

As we are still unsure if he, and indeed the employer, will have this application accepted (and it really is at the final stages), should we wait until that comes through first (hopefully next week)? I would hate to jeopardise it at this stage.