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49 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

Well, perhaps they love their own life in France, with their own belongings, their own friends and their own lifestyle?   Would they really have decided to make the move if Covid hadn't happened and you'd been able to have your usual holidays?

In their shoes, I would not even consider moving back to the UK just to get the reciprocal Medicare.  Wouldn't it be awful to give up their life there, relocate to the UK where they don't really want to be, then find that the rules have changed and they don't have the option to migrate anyway?  

Don't get me wrong, a lot of grandparents move to Australia and are delighted they did, but I also have friends (I'm approaching 70) who wish they hadn't made the move, much though they love their grandkids.  It's a painful process to give up your own home and treasured possessions, and it's even more difficult if you have to live in someone else's home in Australia (even if it is your child's home and you love them!).  It's difficult to be a lodger if you've been used to having ownership of your own place for decades. Not to mention the loss of a social life (it can be difficult to make new friends at that age).  

I'm sure we'll work it all out - we all used to live together in the UK (me, my husband and my parents) so that's one of the big positives, we're all looking forward to doing that again  The first thing is getting them out here on holiday, it's been a long 20 months. Fx the borders open and they can fly over in the NY.

48 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

I'd suggest not worrying about it too much, then.  A great deal can change between now and 2023, and they may find the options have narrowed considerably by the time 2023 rolls around. 

16 minutes ago, Quoll said:

Why wait, get them on the offshore CPV list asap - you never know, they might not be able to get onshore and then apply, who knows what might change - it only takes a "no further stay" on whatever visa they may plan on getting to Australia on (then fibbing about their intentions, obviously) and they will be on the plane back home.  If you apply now they can still visit while waiting.

I've been badgering them to get in the offshore CPV visa queue for over 5 years - they wouldn't listen. Now they want to do it and the queue has blown out massively  And they're always the ones telling me I should plan ahead! We'll work it out, just giving me a massive headache now.

46 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

I took a look at one of your earlier posts which mentioned your parents lived in France. Is that still the case?  If it is, then they're not eligible for reciprocal Medicare.  It's not citizenship that determines eligibility, it's country of residence. There is no agreement with France, so they'd get nothing.

Assuming they are eligible, what it covers is debatable.  Officially, if you're on reciprocal Medicare, if a procedure isn't urgent, it's not covered - you're meant to fly back to your home country to get it done. Unofficially, people on reciprocal Medicare get procedures done all the time. However, I think it's very likely that won't continue to be the case in future.  Just look at the NHS - there were always rules about treating overseas visitors but nobody bothered much ten years ago.  Today, there are strict rules which are applied much more diligently.  Since you're looking at a very long timeframe, I wouldn't be banking on the reciprocal scheme continuing to be so lenient for the long haul.

 

Thanks Marisa. My parents are in France currently (been waiting for all the travel restrictions to lift) but they are heading back to UK in a few weeks in order to get residency again for Medicare. They aren't planning on moving over here until 2023 I think as they are planning to come here in January for a holiday, then we want to go and visit them over there. I've checked my dad's medications are covered under the PBS so that's ok. My parents are nervous about the 'what ifs' so definitely trying to investigate those as much as possible - hence I'm looking at both the 804 and 864.

On 18/08/2021 at 14:54, VERYSTORMY said:

Just be aware there are other significant issues with being in limbo for a decade. For example, on a bridging visa if you were resident in the UK you would be eligible for reciprocal healthcare. However, that is not the same as full access to Medicare. 

Please could you tell me how reciprocal Medicare cover differs from "full access" to Medicare? My parents and I are tossing up between the 864 and 804 and Medicare is the main sticking point, along with the difference in fees. My parents are retired, have no need to work, over 65, meet the balance of family test as my only bro lives in NZ, will apply onshore and will live with us so they don't need to purchase property. As far as I understand it, they just won't be able to get elective procedures done - necessary treatment and medications will still be available to them under the reciprocal agreement. TIA.

Hi, I'm sorry if this is the wrong thread to post on but I did a search for '804' and nothing came up.

My parents would like to emigrate to Australia and having looked at various visa options, we think the 804 Aged Parent visa is the best option. However, we came across two potential issues.

1) When my mum did some internet digging, we found the AoS information to be a bit confusing. The specific issue is that I am not in paid employment at the moment although I intend to re-enter the workforce sometime next year. Hubby earns more than enough to cover the AoS sponsor income requirement for both my parents (we did the calculation based on 4 adults and 3 kids (me, hubby, my mum, my dad and our 3 kids) but we aren't sure whether I need to be earning a minimum amount and if so, how much it has to be (obviously this will influence what job I go for). So, does anyone know if I have to be in paid employment when they put in their application and if so, how much do I need to be earning, please?

2) Bridging visa: I see that when they apply onshore for the 804, their tourist visa is replaced with a bridging visa. I understand that in order to travel they then can apply for a briding visa b. Does anyone know what restrictions attach to bridging visa b? My parents are just concerned about being able to travel back to France to sell their house (they live in France atm but are UK citizens).

Thank you  

(804 appears best option as both my parents are retired, they're over 65, they can apply onshore during their next holiday (they visit annually), I'm an Aussie citizen, my only bro is now a NZ citizen and they're both *touch wood* in reasonably good health)

We did use to go back every 12/18 months but we have baby #3 on the way so cost will become a factor in the future and our eldest daughter has started school so we’re more tied to school holidays. Plus my parents have now sold up in the UK and live permanently in France so we have nowhere to stay in the UK. For me, I don’t miss the UK and my parents visit us in Australia every year for 6 weeks - they’re retired - (plus my mum has come out to help when our children have been born each time - so this year my mum is out for six weeks in June/July and then both my parents are coming out for Christmas ) and we’re quite social media-happy so Skype/Facebook all the time. We’re planning on going back to Europe in July 2020 when bub #3 is still an infant but not sure how it will work visiting hubby’s family and our friends as we will have a full on tribe to accommodate. I find having to use up annual leave to visit the UK the most annoying thing as it means no holidays in Australia, or taking unpaid leave to have other holidays. And trips back to the UK are not holidays - it’s hard work dashing around trying to fit everyone in, especially when the people you are visiting are working so you’re tied to weekends or evenings. 

I think it depends on the type of person you are and your family/friends’ capacity/willingness regarding visits as to whether emigrating will work for you - I love my parents dearly but I’m v independent (as are they) and they are more than happy to visit regularly and to have us stay with them when we visit them (my dad especially gets cross if I don’t send pics/updates on our life at least every 48 hours!). And I have zero affinity for the UK, I love Australia (although I miss France heaps). 

6 minutes ago, xkayxwx said:

Thanks so much to both of you for your reply. That really puts my mind at ease. I know that she’d be spoilt rotten at my grandparent house but we’d all miss her terribly and I’d be devastated if she became ill and I wasn’t there. I was just trying to think of what’s in her best interests, even though as a family we’d be devastated leaving her behind. It’s good to know they are welcome in most places, I read somewhere Australia has really strict rules around allowing dogs in most public places.

Rules do differ in different states for most things - I can only tell you about Victoria. My main bug bear is that dogs aren't allowed in National Parks (but can go in State Forests) and lots of caravan parks/campsites don't allow dogs in high season. Having said that, we did a 3,000km road trip up the East Coast from Melbourne to Kiama over Christmas without pre-booking any campsites and we were perfectly fine even with our dog. I have two young kids so I'm not particularly bothered about taking the dog or kids in pubs, so outside at cafes is fine by me (most serve alcohol anyway!). I can't think of any parks near me where dogs are banned. I'm sure your dog will be fine  

My brother & his wife have a Staffy, which they flew over to NZ with them - she's a rescue dog, not good with other dogs, very nervous, very strong separation anxiety and they estimate she was 7/8 years old when they flew her out. 6 years later she's still going strong and they don't regret it for a second - she was fine on the flight and got back into a routine in no time after quarantine. 

We just flew our two French Bulldogs (7yo & 1yo) from UK to Melbourne. Even if I could've stood to leave them behind, I wouldn't because we have two daughters (5yo and 3yo) who would've been devastated. Our 3yo talked more about missing the dogs than any of her friends and when my 5yo said she was feeling sad she said it was because she missed the dogs (we flew 6 weeks before the dogs because of the rabies timeline). We got them back on Sunday (yesterday) and they've not left the dogs alone, cuddling them and stroking them and they keep telling me how happy they are to have them back. 

Because our two are Frenchies, we just walk them in the early morning and late evening on hot days - the beach is so much more peaceful then anyway. I don't know what the rules are like in Brissy but in Melbourne dogs are welcome lots of places - in parks (unless a specified off leash park) they just need to be on a lead and kept out of playgrounds (which is sensible). My girls love taking our dog to the local off leash dog beach (really good on hot days!) so sure there will be somewhere like that near you. I take my dogs to cafes, on the train, parks, farmers markets and even the outdoor cinema - lol you're even allowed them in Bunnings (equivalent of B&Q).  I believe it's pretty easy to fly them within Australia too, so no worries about leaving them behind for holidays if you want to take them with you - or you can get a housesitter/dogsitter. 

**We lived in Melbourne from 2011-2016 then tried the UK again for 18 months, had enough and came back to Melbourne this October so our older dog has done Melbourne-UK and UK-Melbourne.

We just got our beloved French Bulldogs back from Mickleham quarantine yesterday - beyond happy!

Just wanted to share that it is entirely possible to organise and sort out flying your dogs over yourself. We were quoted $13k to use a pet carrier company and were obviously a bit blown away by the cost. We'd previously flown our older dog from Melbourne to the UK so we dug out the paperwork and found the name of the company that actually deals with the dogs whilst in transit (moving them between planes etc) JCS Pet Exports and gave them a call. They were super helpful and they gave us various quotes for shipping them over, from bare basics to everything included. They even let us re-use the crate that our older dog had originally flown over in.

We chose the package that included pre-flight vet checks and collection and transport from the in-laws near Manchester down to Heathrow. Everything else we did ourselves, we used the import timeline calculator from the www.agriculture.gov.au website, printed off the checklist  and liaised with our vet (luckily an official UK Government vet ie able to issue pet passports) regarding all the vaccinations and treatments. We applied for the import permit ourselves online and booked and organised their quarantine stay. We left the UK in early October and had family looking after the two dogs until they could fly at the end of November - my FIL took them to the later vet appointments and we settled the bills over the phone.

JCS Pet Exports were really good, sending us an update on the dogs once they'd arrived at Heathrow and confirming that they'd set off okay. 

The two dogs spent exactly 10 days in quarantine and we picked them up on Sunday   Obvs the cost of having the dogs flown over varies by breed/weight (only Qantas will fly French Bulldogs) and vet fees vary but in the end it was considerably less than $13k, I reckon more like $9/10k.

How far out west are you talking? Inner west is fine but house-wise is expensive (not compared to the east though!) but I think outer east is nicer than outer west. We live inner west (2 pre-school kids) and we love it. Hubby works but I’m at home looking after the aforementioned pre-school kids and we get by ok. 

The fireworks in the city are always good, best place to watch them (unless they move them) is the banks of the Yarra, near Riverland bar or on the opposite bank near the boatsheds. We’ll be staying in our suburb, Altona, as they have fireworks on the beach, heaps of kids activities (we have a 3 & 5 year old) and food trucks etc. Maybe have a day at the Royal Botanic Gardens and then watch the fireworks? 

Just thought I'd share our experience of flying Manchester-Heathrow-Perth.

For those who don't want the detail, in summary: best flight experience we've had of travelling to Australia (we've previously done Mcr-Heathrow-Doha-Melbourne, Melbourne-Doha-Manchester, Melbourne-Singapore-Heathrow,  Manchester-Dubai-Singapore (cabin crew change over only)-Melbourne)

So, for once our experience at Manchester was fine getting through security - usually we've found staff to be shouty and stroppy but this time we even had help filling our trays from one of the security staff. However, our flight from Manchester was supposed to depart at 9:45am and land in Heathrow at 10:55am, giving us 2 hours and 20mins to negotiate getting from T5 at Heathrow to T3 (minimum transfer time 90 mins) to catch our Perth flight at 1:15pm but due to the bad weather caused by the impending arrival of Storm Callum, we were delayed taking off and arrived late, at 11:15am. This meant we had to run to beat the queue at security and it was only because the lady in charge of the bus queue let us queue jump (as we have two young children (aged 3 & 5)) that we made our Perth flight - gate was open and boarding had commenced by the time we got to the gate. The bus queue was insane, I think the family behind us who were trying to get a connecting flight to San Francisco would definitely have missed their flight. If we hadn't had the two kids to try and persuade to run I also think we would have been ok, although maybe not because then we would have had to wait another 15/20 minutes for a bus.....anyway, we made it!

The flight to Perth was excellent. The Dreamliner felt a lot roomier than any other plane we've been on, the aisles seemed wider and both hubby and I found the seats to be comfortable (Hubby is 6ft and I'm 5"8). The bendy headrests are height adjustable so even shorter people can appreciate them (something my 5"3 mother would be happy about). Seats also have a sort of little net that you can rest your feet in; I found this useful but hubby's feet were too big. The seat angle when fully reclined was really good but unfortunately the people in front of us manners' weren't - they kept their seats fully reclined during breakfast (even though they were awake) and made eating quite difficult. And they adjusted their seats with no warning which nearly led to me getting covered in orange juice. So wish airlines would do an etiquette video as well as a safety video asking people to warn the people behind when they are going to recline/adjust their seat (I always let the people behind know, it's not difficult to do!). On the other aisle there was a staff member asking people to put their seats upright for breakfast but unfortunately he didn't come down our side of the plane. The windows have adjustable tinting so you are no longer stuck between blinding sunshine or complete darkness. I didn't watch any of the films but hubby and kids found plenty of things to watch (I just read my Kindle). The separate tray for charging your phone and resting it on came in handy at meal times. Meals were so good - beef stew was delicious and the potatoes that came with the kids meals were extra scrummy. Kids loved the help-yourself snack fridge, stocked with apples, nibbles, cereal bars, coke, juice, kit-kats etc. I thought the plane was pretty quiet but hubby still broke out his noise cancelling headphones. Total flight time was 16 hours and 8 minutes but at the end I felt better than I ever have after getting off a long haul flight, usually I want to peel my own skin off and feel really gross. Still needed to use some eyedrops for dry eyes but honestly felt okay apart from that. Hubby and I also agreed it was far less smelly than other flights that we've been on, too.

Best thing was on arrival at Perth it took less than 20 minutes to collect our bags, clear passport control, get through customs and hop in a taxi (I declared prescription medicine but we were waved straight through). So much easier than arriving frazzled at Dubai/Doha/Singapore and having to negotiate a massive airport and wait in huge security queues with two small kids only to get on another looonnnng flight. We now have two days in Perth and then we'll be flying onto Melbourne

Have a look at Kensington. I used to walk to work in the CBD from there (40 mins, approx 4km) and we had a great 2 bed apartment overlooking JJ Holland Park. We used to walk home at 3am from Festival Hall along Moonee Ponds Creek or just home from the CBD cos we felt like it and never had an issue. There are some fab little cafes there and the best Thai restaurant (Thai By Night). Kensington has two train stations which will get you into the city in 6 minutes - close enough for you? I happily walked the dog at 10 o'clock at night and the only things that ever freaked me out were the fruit bats crash landing in the trees. There's a swimming pool and gym run by the YMCA, fab bike trail running right up the river and close to Flemington Showgrounds for festivals/conventions/expos. Pre-babies, hubby and I loved it there.

On 10/04/2018 at 09:55, Amber Snowball said:

There are some nice surburban streets as described above, maybe compromise with a nice family suburb with parks etc and a better commute. I would look to the east of the city, the west is a giant dust bowl as far as I am concerned. Unless you look at commuting in from Geelong, that has some nice areas.

Bit harsh to say 'the west' is a giant dust bowl - Werribee is fields and fields of crops! I am biased because I live in 'the west' but the inner-west, not the outer. Inner west has heaps of green - look at Yarraville, Newport, Williamstown, Altona......Newport has the highest density of parks and playgrounds in a Melbourne suburb, I believe. Plus it has Newport Lakes park and some excellent primary schools and is 20/25 mins commute from the city. Yarraville has Cruickshank Park, a fab little village feel and is only 15 mins from the CBD. Williamstown has The Strand, Commonwealth Gardens, Botanic Gardens & a great family beach. You can cycle along the coast from Williamstown Beach to Altona Beach (approx 4km) and Altona has JP Logan Reserve, 1.2km of Beach, Cherry Lake & is still only 35 mins from the CBD. Hubby loves Altona cos it has a village feel and doesn't feel like you're only 13km from the CBD at all. 

You can find drone footage of Altona Beach, Cherry Lake, Newport Lakes & Williamstown on YouTube.

On 24/05/2018 at 02:25, Toots said:

I have stayed with friends in Greensborough and liked the suburb.  Here are some Greensborough details. https://www.homely.com.au/greensborough-banyule-melbourne-greater-victoria

Greensborough is lovely, has everything you need, some lovely walks along the creek, cycle tracks through to the City and is on the doorstep to the Yarra Valley but when we lived there the commute absolutely sucked - approx an hour on the train (+walking time) and absolutely packed from CBD most of the way back. We broke our lease after 6 months and moved closer to the CBD  (Kensington) after I fainted from the heat and sardine-like conditions - I didn't even fall because everyone was shoulder-to-shoulder. Kensington has an awesome dog park and is possibly my favourite suburb that I've lived in (6 minute commute into the city) but it doesn't have the big blocks you're looking for.

Maybe somewhere on the Greensborough line but closer into the city? Heidelberg, Rosanna, Ivanhoe?

We are moving back to Altona, which has a great dog beach (can't wait to introduce our puppy to the beach!) and a couple of dog parks, but obvs coastal so less leaf and more beach. Commute is 30/35 mins to the city by train. Neighbouring suburb of Newport also has dog parks and a good dog owning community, that's 20/25 mins to the CBD on the train.

So it's official, we'll be moving back to Melbourne in mid-Oct - soooo excited! 

We originally moved to Melbourne in Jan 2011 and then came back to the UK last April because hubby needed to scratch that itch. Anyway, for many and varied reasons we've concluded Australia is much better for our family so we're heading back in a few months - eep!

Dont think our youngest (nearly 3yo) really remembers Australia but eldest (4yo, starting school in Feb 2019) is looking forward to being back with her bestie & other friends.

Just had to share the happy  

7 hours ago, Tricky said:

Update. 

House is sold so we are organising shipping companies now. 

Negotiating the form that is the TOR form as we speak. Luckily we have 5 weeks, but it appears people are getting them pretty quick of late. 

Pet shippers say that if we don't have one by the time the dog goes we will only pay £60 in duty charges as dogs are valued about £300? However we should have one soon. 

Selling the two cars seems the only main headache we face. They are both less than 3 years old so hoping it won't be too difficult. 

Congratulations on selling the house  We sold our car no problem, hopefully you will find the same thing.

We’re officially going back to Melbourne in October YAY!!!!! Doing all the paperwork for our two dogs is giving me a headache but it will be worth it!

I’m normally a very positive person and optimistic but after feeling miserable for so long I gave up in November and went to see a doctor and she diagnosed me with depression so I’m on antidepressants. They help a lot but I do still get fixated on the negative stuff as I will admit. I experience a lot of mud as part and parcel of having a 2yo and 4yo whose favourite outdoor activity is splashing in puddles and squelching through mud. Sand just suddenly seems a lot easier to deal with in hindsight. 

That was one of my supposed UK pros - no more daily sunscreen application on the kids and no more sand everywhere. However after 6 months of muddy, smelly clothes & dogs, muddy floors and puddlesuits and having to throw clothes away cos the mud is so ingrained..... hand me the Nivea and thongs! ? 

*hugs* to you, Geordie Girl. Sounds like you’re having the same experience as us. I hope we both get back to Aus sooner rather than later x

We sold our car, no problem, if we hadn’t we had friends who were going to sell it after we left. Lol, my parents helped us buy our house in Melbourne and have offered to help us move back - complete opposite situation ? 

I'd defo try and move back to your home town. We had to relocate down south because hubby has to work in London whereas we're from the north west originally. All the friends that 'really missed us' are quite happy to catch up.....providing we travel the 4+ hours up north. Not a single one has come down to visit. Hubby's sister lives a 20 min drive away and has been to our house twice in nearly a year. Same with hubby's parents (the main reason we came back), more than happy to see the grandkids, but only if we go up north to them. Renting a 3-bed house to facilitate visits has been a complete waste of money. And 4+ hours in a car with two dogs & two pre school children is not a fun way to spend a Friday night or Sunday evening. We will be ponging back to Melbourne as soon as hubby can get a transfer back - at least there my kids had daily playdates with friends and fun summer-long visits from my parents. 

Meanwhile, these are my two - black one is Aussie born, fawn is English - huddled round the stove. And yes, the stove was lit, and yes it was hot (just over 200 oC). We ended up having to put the fire guard back round it as the older dog was quite literally an inch away. 

3 hours ago, Quoll said:

Gosh, just down the road from you and there’s only been one day this year when I have been restricted by the weather from my usual walk. We could do with the rain though.  The mud can be tricky but that’s winter and it’s what one has wellies for.

Unfortunately the Aussie flu seems to have hit these shores this winter and I have a couple of friends who’ve got it. Neither were cheered by the prognosis that my Ballarat inlaws (who had it last Aussie winter) proposed. My sister in law was in bed for a week, half time in bed for two more weeks and 6 weeks coughing, spluttering and generally debilitated. So much for the flu jab!

If you’re ever in Cambridge, I’m up for a social cup of coffee!

Yep, came down with the flu on New Years Day, ill in bed just sleeping for a week, except for dragging myself into work one day as still on probation and not allowed any sick leave, then further week of feeling awful and now still coughing up bits of lung. 

You’d think I’d be tougher given I grew up on the West Pennine Moors but nope, acclimatising to Melbourne weather has forever ruined me! Our dog even hates the outdoors, literally have to carry her outside and down the street to persuade her to go for a walk otherwise she either won’t leave the house or plants her paws and refuses to go any further. 

Thanks for the offer of coffee, that’s very kind. 

We’re in Hertfordshire, not far from Cambridge, supposedly one of the driest parts of England. I work 3 days & hubby works 5 days so between weather & working and illness it’s been rubbish. Don’t get me wrong, we’ve been outside but it’s ended in crying children cos they’re cold & wet and throwing away clothes because they’re so muddy or it’s plain unpleasant in the wind and/or rain. Just ignore me, I worked out last night it’s been 40 days since I last saw anyone socially, I’ve only interacted with work colleagues, my husband or my daughters since 29th Dec which is very depressing - we’ve all been so poorly. 

Hoping now Aussie summer holidays are over we’ll make some progress on hubby transferring back to Melbourne.