dunkl

Well, my recipe for getting a ceremony date would be: post on a pomsinoz forum and in a couple of days... :laugh:.

Ok, seriously, if I can help someone with timeline:

 

 

 

1. Date applied: late Sep 15
   
2. City/Council area: Kingston Vic
   
3. Online / Paper: Online
   
4. Date received the acknowledgement email: shortly I believe?
   
5. Date of the Citizenship Test: early Nov 15
   
6. Date of ceremony: 17. Mar
   
7. Type of ceremony: normal
   

 

 

:rolleyes:.

So, it would be around 4 months after the test.

Cheers!

What a flashback googling for a citizenship timelines to realize that: I was there ( I mean here) before, in a way; and they're gonna push me back trough time to live the same nightmare over again :laugh:. (Referring to 2.5 yrs long wait for PR at the beginning of Time).

Would you mind if I give my timeline here?

1. Date applied: late Sep 15
2. City/Council area: Kingston Vic
   
3. Online / Paper: Online
   
4. Date received the acknowledgement email: shortly I believe?
   
5. Date of the Citizenship Test: early Nov 15
   
6. Date of ceremony: haha
   
7. Type of ceremony: is there a type?
   

I've just realized that I can start being anxious, having tickets to go overseas in late May.

Council people are really nice, they have March and May ceremonies scheduled (missed Nov and Jan already), but they have no clue about who or when .

How do you feel about long wait?

I've just read a forum thread somewhere, a guy was really upset about the wait, and he was accused about being inconsiderate ( and many other things besides that), people even told him that he shouldn't be a citizen with that kind of attitude! So much fun :rolleyes:.

I'm heading to Adelaide next week, for the PEER exams. I still don't know what am I going to do with SA license (I hope I'll get it though). Melbourne is not that far from SA, so it's not a big deal to relocate if I can find a job there. The vicious circle is closing by fact that I'm on Vic State Sponsored Visa. Things are still the same with mutual recognition of licenses - SA license is on the blacklist, and National licensing is not on the horizon yet. However, I've got a forklift license easy - in a day :biggrin: , I'll put that in my CV, and if I score SA electrical license I was thinking to approach Ventura to become a bus driver :eek:

Sorry me again

 

Im now going down the TRA route, not to happy about this Vetassess gap training. Does anyone know what type of Electrician i should nominate myself for? On the application it ask if you are an Electrical Fitter or Electrical Mechanic? Im guessing Fitter. Im an Installation Electrician so would that be the one?

Be very careful mate with that, I made that mistake a while ago and now I'm stuck with fitter's certificate, which makes me a low-life here in Vic. :jiggy: And it was just about what I've been doing more for them, because I was doing both - inst and maintenance.

Hi dunki,

They will send them to the uk, that's what I did. There are about 5 books including the wiring rules book and a work folder to complete. Better with the hard copies from them I would say as they are needed for the revision week and can be used in the exams. I think if you had your own winging rules book it was about $100 cheaper. There was a couple of people there with older versions, not sure what the differences where.

Peter

I think I have lost post here. I know I wrote it, I just can't remember actually posting it. Never mind. Thanks for the answer Peter. 5 books indeed, 130-170$, 600$ for all. Course is 790. But from Peer they did emphasize a fact that it will be difficult to transfer SA license to Victorian. But, I've just discovered that I can get SA provisional license with fitter ARTC. Any opinions is it of any worth paying 388$ for this? Nothing holds me in Vic anyway, so I wouldn't mind to look for work in Adelaide. Actually, there is one small thing holding me in Vic, the fact I've promised to stay here for 2 years, being on State Sponsored visa. Well, what to say, that's not holding really well.

Hi,

just want to clear a few things that I have experienced since arriving 3 weeks ago in Queensland. Some of the stuff on here just isn't correct, not blaming anyone, things just get a bit like Chinese whispers sometimes.

I have only used this quote as i read it about peer veet.

I got granted my ARTC electrical mechanic October last year. They may of done in the past but now they will not send it out to you unless you have proof that you are in the Australia, ie passport stamped or proof of address, I have been trying since arrival to get it sent out. Had to get a declaration and copy of passport stamp signed by a local notary after being refused with aus bank statement. Still waiting for it to arrive.

I enrolled on the peer veet distance learning course while in the uk, completed the work book, took around 30 hours. You have to complete it before you can book in for the revision and exam week. The course is by no means impossible to fail. I have just completed the 4 days today. Out of the 9 that where there, 2 defiantly failed, 5 where resetting parts that where just under the pass mark 80% when I left, not sure what the outcome was. Only two of us passed straight away. If you complete the work book properly and read through it it's not to bad but it's definitely not a turn up and pass course.

We went to the licensing place this afternoon and you can apply straight away, they just copy your peer veet cert and artc cert, take details and a picture for card and said it would take 1 to 2 weeks for card to come through. As I haven't received my ARTC cert yet they filled everything out and said to copy it and post it when it arrives and they will process license. I showed him the grant letter as proof but he said they needed to sight the actuall certificate first.

I had completed the OTSR though vetassesse in the uk for visa, this will only get you a restricted license if you do the SA peer veet route so is not much use for that, it has to be the ARTC.

I have also read that you can't transfer to Queensland. The guy in the licensing place in Adelaide said they do it all the time and I have spoken to a friend who is sparking in Brisbane who says a few people he works with have done the transfer recently with no problems.

I did CPR and low voltage rescue combined course last week for $80 took about 3 hours, and white card was $50 took about 2 hours, both easy, can book them a couple of days in advance.

This is what has actually happened since I arrived 3 weeks, first hand info.

Hope this helps or gets rid of any confusion.

Any one needs any more info about our experience since arrival, ie rental property, car from auction, bank, schools. Maybe not in the electricians thread.

Will keep you posted of any more development.

Peter

Hi Peter, please one quick answer : Are they sending books and booklets from Peer overseas for the course, do they need to be hard copies, or e-books. I need to go back overseas for month or two, I'm thinking in doing the course until I come back...

I'll ask this one more time, forgive me if I'm annoying you, if anyone has books for PEER wiring reg course and want to sell, rent or borrow, feel free to contact me on PM or whatever.

These are

AS 3000:2007

AS 3008

AS 3012

AS 3107

ETSA rules

I was told that I need hard copies to take to exam, so if someone can confirm that for me from his own experience, it would be great. I don't know if PDFs could do any good.

Also if someone want to get insight of first two from the list, let me now.

Hello. I just want to write something to stay written here for someone to read if needed

My Mechanic ARTC slipped off my hands just because more maintenance than installation work. If I had realize that on time, it would be better, because it's not about what you do for 10-20 yrs, it's about to how you present it on paper and how it's going to be read and interpreted. It's a bloody "circle of untrust", a lady in TRA prepared my papers, sent it to "Comitee" in state I live, so you never get to talk to the people who have denied you or granted certificate. Instead just knock on the door (Comitee is just in the neighborhood) and give papers on hand, talk with people who are about to assess me :err:, I was required to send papers to Canberra, so that they can "prepare it" and send it back to Melbourne.

And of course, not be able to get the license with fitter's certificate "is not their problem". It's ESV issue.

So, bottom line, forget the maintenance, do the installation work. Always. :grumpy1

Other thing. Is it possible to get used books for the PEER Wiring Regs course? If someone has it, don't need it, want to sell for reasonable price and live in Melbourne, please PM me.

Thanks.

Have my outcome letter today, Mechanic denied, Fitter granted. Maybe I should be happy for the other one. When my nerves calm down, maybe it wont be so bad to work supervised. Better to not working in a trade like now. But I don't think I would let this go without a fight...

I've worked bloody maintenance in shifts alone for years, now I need to be supervised - probably just my fault not providing clear enough evidence.

I've been running the Data business myself, I hope i would not need a supervisor for that here.

So, thanks for interest and help no1spark.

I suppose now it should be easier (quicker) to obtain supervised license (only one test, SWP) - and give it a try for a work with new circumstances.

Thnks again.

Thanks for answers.

Regarding working sites without license, it happens, I've just told you about it. It's just rare. And I'm not actually after that.

Data cabling is what I did for last 6-7 years, that's why I'm asking. That was my part-time; full-time was industrial electrical maintenance.

I'm granted Fitter, says on the portal. That probably means I'm not granted a Mechanic. No letter yet.

This changes my orientation slightly to the SA and Peer. Didn't like Melbourne much anyway . It's just a thought for now.

Hi guys

Has anyone gained their license through the Vetassess route in Victoria by completion of a logbook. I've completed my Vetassess practical in July 2011, have been in employment since August 2011 in Melbourne. I currently have a supervised workers license. But I'm having serious problems trying to get signed up for eprofiling / logbook to document the work I do on site . I don't think the system is availablle yet in VIC. I have also completed my LEA and gap training in a local tafe. I've tried through the tafe, through EPIC and directly with the Eprofiling to get this set up. No one seems to know anything about it. When I first applied to Vetassess I was advised of the route I needed to take to gain my license and now that I've spent all this money to get to this stage I've hit a brick wall. To say this is frustrating us a complete understatement . Has any1 had the same problem ?

Hello everyone and hi dellboy, you're some upside down case, so I'm interested in your progress

Reading your other two posts, since you're not PR but want to be, I'm pretty sure they will insist you to apply to TRA for Skilled Assessment, the one we needed to do before applying for 175/176. I do know people though, getting all of that without hassling with TRA, but working for strong companies, who sorted everything out in their behalf. But I think you'll pass that assessment easy, having all that you have in your CV.

I'm in Melbourne too, I know few people working without licenses, mostly in switchboard manufacturing, not one of them allowed to go to the site. I wasn't that lucky; I work casual manual labor to get trough, waiting for bloody TRA. Considering my hard working habits, there is some interest in factory where I work to help me trough licensing to stay with them as electrician, but in TRA are just taking their time. Now I've got yesterday in online portal, finalization date 2/3/12 but in outcome field says "awaiting assessment electrical fitter", so I'm afraid they are ready to refuse me as El. mechanic. No outcome letter or anything, just enough info to ruin my weekend.

Anyway, I can see you are getting all opposite route than me, so can you spare some time guide me if I could start LEA courses before ARTC from TRA, on which TAFE is you, is it possible to just go for an assessments, not the whole training. (Actually I've read all info from the web sites, I'm just asking from your hands on experience how it is). Do they have some books I can get earlier to start preparing for all of that ( I'm still hoping for positive TRA outcome, if not I can go home).

And interesting is, when I ask electricians I meet, about licensing, there seem to not know much about it (yeah, it was long time ago mait) ; long time is even few years ago, so seems they haven't had so much frustration with it, I'm going to remember all this sh... about licensing for life.

Can anyone tell me, is data and electric work in Melbourne always going together , can I do data cabling work without electrical license?

One day hopefully I would stop talking about TRA....

Anyone asked self, why this relocation, considering everybody I've been forced to meet here are lazy, useless and inconsiderate? Mails not answered, when get them on the phone they don't know anything, everywhere just asking for money, not letting me work for it... etc Yeah, who made me to do this, entirely my fault:skeptical:.

Enough whining. :rolleyes:

Could someone please tell where to send application and Kg of paper again? One thing not clear to me, if TRA ARTC office is in Melbourne, why address in ARTC guidelines is in Canberra? I would love to take this papers and give them personally, since I'm in Melbourne.

And if this could be helpful info, from phone chat with someone in TRA, they do save documents of migration assessments for 2 years, then throw it away. (Mine are wasted, my visa process was more than 2yrs only) They can't say why to send Kg of papers again, considering ARTC guidelines are way more precise than UAC. She said "more documents you provide, better". When I called TRA ( the 1300 number), machine said "if you want to inquire about ARTC, please call our Melbourne office on (the same 1300 number I dialed). So I didn't ask about sending address, because I didn't notice this Canberra/Melbourne thing.

Thanks for long post filled with info angphil :radar:. Are you sure that ARTC form can be sent electronically, because I didn't find such option? Is this from this year, applied 8.9., finished 18.10.? This could mean they are back in tracks and out of the backlog.

And small question for all, is anyone used this option quoted bellow:

The ARTC application fee is $300, except where your skills have previously been assessed as successful in the same trade by TRA for the purposes of General Skilled Migration. If this is the case, please supply TRA with a certified true copy of your successful outcome letter and your TRA reference number and your initial ARTC application fee will be waived.

Just remembered one more thing: what is the best way to get copies certified in Australia (if someone did that before), the cheapest I have found is in the Post office, 4$ per page?

Hi there

The problem is it is illegal for any electrical company to hire you as an electrician without your licence you will however be able to get a job as a Trades Assistant (electrical helper) the pay is not the same but still not bad.

 

With getting your skills recognised I don't have contact details for TRA but I do for VETASSESS this is a company that TRA use to assess Electricians qualifications. Their contact details are

Vetassess,

Level 5,

478 Albert Street,

East Melbourne 3002

 

Tel: +61396554801

email: vetassess@vetassess.com.au

web: www.vetassess.com.au

 

They should be able to get you started in getting your licence.

Stope.

Thanks Stope,

that's exactly what I have wondered about assistant. And I also didn't know that I could use vetassess, because on ESV site they refer to TRA. I thought that vetassess is working only with certain countries on the list, and mine wasn't on that list.

Congrats on passing

If you don't mind, I would like to join this electricians thread. We've in Melbourne, my wife and me, 2 weeks now. I'm a electrician, but I'm also not, without Vic license.

Have few questions if anyone knows. First I would like to call TRA, but I can't find a number, only "TRA inquiry closures" messages on their site. If someone has the number, please throw me, because they don't answering e-mail, except of notification that they are to busy to reply.

If someone knows, is there any chance that they (TRA) keep records of migration purposes assessment (fat chance probably), or I will need again to certify copies and send it all over again?

And what work could an electrician do here without license, any practical advice?

I have 10yr experience in electrical maintenance in large company (various types of work, from transformer stations maintenance to workshop repair duties, new installations where needed, machine commissioning/decommission and repairs, switchboards and panels (small ones and of size of the room).... and 5 years in freelance installing data/comm networks, mostly copper utp/ftp/stp, and some fibre, with all terminating, patching, racking, testing. Worked something like a subcontractor, did all the work, from offers and calculations to organization of resources and doing it with my hands.

On top of all I do have bachelor in electr. and comp. engineering (finished 2007), not necessarily connected to all that work. Why am I bothering you with all this???

Well I'm getting a feeling that I'm too bloody complicated for this market.

Any suggestions, what simple job could be relatively fast obtained here, I would do anything, minimum wage is still double or triple of what I made it back home?

Anyway, greetings from Melbourne