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On 20/06/2020 at 23:06, Marisawright said:

It has been tricky for some time. Some states are now requiring a job offer, and the fact is that there is NO way you're going to get a job offer unless you're already registered to teach and already in the country.   So I'd say the WHV is definitely your best chance.

Marisawright: I have applied to the Queensland College of Teachers from the United States. I am a secondary Math teacher. If I am successful in my registration, here is my question for you.

In reference to your post which I quoted above, do you feel math is an area in Queensland where there could be enough demand to make an offer to a teacher offshore and agree to sponsor under the TSS 482?

In the media, there are articles that refer to math as a shortage area and even mention that Australian schools do recruit teachers from overseas so I get confused because I have read both perspectives.

Anyway...any insight would be appreciated. I can always enter the country as a university student and complete another degree but it is an additional and very huge expense to take the university route.

6 hours ago, Marisawright said:

...which is something I really struggle to understand.  I can understand people fancying a new adventure - but it 's not a better country, just different, so I wonder why people with families are willing to invest so many thousands of dollars in getting here!

Much of it seems to be the typical migration from South/Southeast Asia and Africa to any major English speaking Western country..i.e.USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and the UK where migrants will usually experience an immediate change/improvement in the physical surroundings, infrastructure, environmental quality, etc. and an emotional "upliftment" as they can put pictures on Facebook bragging about their new lives to their friends and family "stuck" back home. So, from that perspective, I guess grass might be greener in some ways at least superficially. As for migration from one Western country to another, I am more hesistant to see the grass being greener because many of the problems are similar such as the econoic challenges facing the USA...countries like Australia lagged a bit behind in experiencing those problems but from what I understand the job market in Australia has also become challenging as employers there want to cut back on their labor costs just like their American counterparts. And socially and culturally speaking, it is not necessarily a smooth transition to move from say the USA or UK to Australia. People who make the move do realize and appreciate many of the good things back home despite some things they may not have always liked and they also realize the costs involved in making that move and disruption to stability did not result in a better life. The reality is that many people think moving will improve their lives or solve their problems and it often does not.

5 hours ago, Areyousure said:

Sorry if my question sounded dumb to you, I asked coz getting everything sorted requires a lot of work and quite a bit of money as well. If chances are gng to be near impossible I might as well, apply a few years later. 

Okay you got me. Must admit...did not think of the "cost". But, honestly, most people seem so desperate that money seems to be no object so I was thinking more like what do you really risk by applying...but obviously you are keeping track of the invitations...I gave up a few years ago..thinking that spending so much money visa applications just to see rules change again and again...it maybe a beautiful country but whether grass is greener on the other side I have no idea anymore...Also...I apologize for calling the question "dumb". 

What? What nonsense of a question are you posing? How does "applying" hurt you? If it does not work out, then continue whatever it is logical for you to do maybe work for a few years and re-apply. Dumb question...not even a real question.

1 hour ago, Areyousure said:

Hi guys,

I’ll be completing my pgce this June, after which I’m planning to apply for pr in Australia. I would have 65 points by then. Considering no teachers have been called in the last few months, so I have any chance with 65 points? If not how about going for 190 for nsw, what is the criteria for getting an invite from them? Or is it better to work for a few years before I apply? 

 

Thabk you

7 hours ago, Prakash kulkarni said:

Hi Everyone,

I am Dev 38 yrs, from Navi-Mumbai, India. I work as Sr. Secondary Teacher in leading International School in India, with over 10 years of teaching experience in School and College setups in Bio-Science Streams. I have academic qualifications as M.Sc. (Biotech) and Bachelor of Education (B.Ed.) from leading Universities in India.

I wants to pursue Master of Teaching (Secondary) for Feb-July intake as full-time student in Aus or NZ, please advise about eligibility and how to take this further on priority basis. 

Kindly let me know may you need any information further.

Thanks & Regards,

Dev

 

Visit the individual websites for each university you are interested. All of the information is posted online for what you need to submit with your application. As far as priority, I guess you better apply soon if you are looking for February 2018 assuming they still accept your application. If not, you apply for the next session. It is not complicated.

3 minutes ago, Frankie123 said:

Well basically it says to be classed as an SEN teacher you need to have 45 days observed teaching in your profession by a uni. I have the required amount during my PGCE but that’s not specialised in SEN, however I’m doing a masters in SEN and I won’t have the ‘observed teaching’ for my SEN degree. 

Unless they will accept my Sen degree, so I’m really unsure. 

Just wondering if anyone has been in the same boat 

 

Thanks

Kat

 

Yes indeed the observed teaching requirement is a question mark but I guess the thing is if you have any doubts can't you get those 45 days you need in your current program? If not, then you are back to my initial response which is just apply and hope they accept whatever you do have for observed teaching. 

3 hours ago, Frankie123 said:

Hi guys, 

Just had a read through this thread. 

 

Just looking for some advice really. 

Im currently doing a masters in SEND 

I have a PGCE primary and worked for 5 years in schools. I will finish my masters in jan and was hoping to be assessed as an SEN teacher. Do I stand a chance at getting the PR visa?

 

thanks 

kat 

What advice are you seeking? File your application and you will eventually receive a decision just like any other applicant. You always have a "chance"...

5 hours ago, Satty said:

Hello All,

I read a post in one of the thread stating that degrees awarded by Indian universities are not recognized and Teachers with those degrees are not eligible to apply for Immigration. Could you please tell me if that's the case or if we can go ahead and proceed for immigration with the below details

My Wife - Post Graduate in English Language & Literature + 1 Year full time Bachelor's in Education (B.Ed) i.e teachers training qualification + 8 years of work experience teaching secondary school students in India's one of the highly reputed schools. Has 60 days of supervised teaching practice, however the college in which she was deputed did not award any separate document confirming the same. Upon approaching the university to which the college is affiliated we were told if they the college on their letterhead certifies the 60 day teaching practice, they can countersign or issue a certificate on the university letterhead certifying her 60 day practice as per AITSL. 

Please help with the information needed at the earliest! 

 

Your question is a bit counterproductive. Get whatever documentation the college/university are willing to provide you with respect to the supervised teaching practice and submit it to the AITSL for their assessment along with all of the other required documents and application materials. Your question does no make sense about whether you can go ahead with immigration or not. You can only know that by getting the skills assessed by AITSL and you will know eventually once they have decided on the skills assessment. Nobody can tell you what AITSL will decide.

Without a long explanation, the 189 and 190 are not likely for me. My only hope is the 457 and yes I know that is changing into something else but I will assume that the new temporary program will have room for secondary mathematics teachers assuming there is a demand.

So that said, does anybody know whether there is hope for me as a secondary mathematics teacher to get a 457 for a state school in Brisbane (assuming I am successful with QCT registration with American qualifications)? Also, I do not want to just get there for a short while and leave...I hope to stay...

On 8/25/2017 at 18:34, Stokie said:

Came out to QLD on a 457 4 years ago (but they're scrapping that visa now). Pretty straightforward regarding the visa, I'd heard stories that it was tricky to get in but DIBP were great - be open, be honest, do everything exactly as they ask you to. Only sticking point was the Queensland College of Teachers (pretty much the same thing as GTC in the UK) - they are incredibly pedantic and slow to act. It took them longer to decide if i could teach (my degrees and experience - 12 years science teaching met their 'high' standards) than it did for immigration to check me out.

The system in QLD is phenomenally different to the UK (and I found that hard to adapt to - but all good now), other states are the same, South Australia (Victoria/NSW) is more similar to the UK.

After making the adjustment, pedagogy is the same. I love it out here. You could do 60% of what's expected in the UK and they'll think you do tons here. There's not the same pressure - it rekindled that joy I had when I started teaching. If only they'd realise back home that if you give teachers more time, more spares, more cash and less pressure you'll get better value, instead of squeezing every bit or work out of us and checking on us all the time. Evenings and weekends are mine again. I plan and mark because I want to not because there's a work scrutiny coming. I haven't had that 'OMG it's Monday' or 'I don't want the holidays to end' for years, I enjoy work and look forward to going in. The country is awesome - so big and so diverse, and the quality of life you can have here is exceptional - as good as you want it to be! Easy to fly around.  You think nothing of a 3 hour flight for a days PD/weekend away - when would you ever have thought hmmm.....shall we fly to Turkey for the weekend, it's only a 3 hour flight??? Climate depends on where you are - I get blue skies and sunshine each day, which is just priceless. Working in/near a city is a completely different game to working 'rural' - that doesn't mean in the shadow of Uluru either. Anywhere in North Queensland is rural. I know so many teachers who were ready for the scrap heap who have recharged and are back in the game out here.

Don't not do it. Best thing I ever did!!!!

Thank you for your post.

1. What are those supposedly "high standards"? I will be applying for registration with the QCT based on my American qualifications and I have yet to see anything special or unique?

2. I understand you came from the UK but the sentiments you shared about teaching in the UK is what I feel about teaching in the United States. I am hoping that if I do manage to ultimately land in the Queensland teaching mathematics that it will be as you describe. I keep reading that they need secondary mathematics teachers which is often taught by people not qualified in mathematics?

20 minutes ago, mmck33 said:

Hi,

Im currently in Queensland & have just submitted my application for registration to QCT. It does ask for D.O.B, which surprised me, surely if there was no age discrimination then they shouldn't need to know this information!

I don't have facts but would assume that as you are under 50 (seems to be the magic number here!!!) then you should be fine. Another unadvertised aspect of your application is the fact that you are male! Gender discrimination shouldn't exist, sadly it does, the good news for you is that you are a male. If you have anything that makes you stand out from the crowd then I would say you are in with a very good chance!!! Check out 'wootube', this guy is currently taking Australia by storm (Maths teacher from Sydney!). You may also want to consider rural Queensland to get your foot in the door if that's a possibility? 

Hope this helps!

Marie

Hi Marie,

Thank you very much and your post does help. My wife's sister and family are in Brisbane and have been there for so many years that we just want to all be closer. I did check out wootube briefly and will definitely watch some of his videos. I can see why he is popular. I will consider Regional Queensland because you are certainly right that would open up options. I wonder if Toowoomba would qualify as "rural". I like that area because it is still close to Brisbane and yet classified as part of Regional Queensland.

Please reply...I really need insight!!

To make a long story as short as possible, my wife and I applied for the Family Sponsored 176 stream back in 2009 but did so amidst all of the changes. Eventually, DIAC capped and ceased. We waited and waited and hoped. Well, with the passage of time any chance of the 189 is out the door for us because of losing points due to age. 

I am a math teacher and I think I can register myself successfully with the Queensland College of Teachers. Let us assume that is true. I have communicated with Education Queensland and they say for the right candidate especially in Mathematics they would consider sponsoring a teacher for a work visa.

What I did not ask them about was age discrimination because obviously they are going to say that they do not discriminate against age....but...anybody here think that a 45 year old American math teacher from the United States would be ruled out because of age? 

11 minutes ago, Rossmoyne said:

I agree with this.   Before retirement I was an HR manager for a government department, and because I had found it so very hard to get a job when we first arrived in 1991, I always tried to give any new migrants a chance, even if it was just a casual/temporary role, just so they could prove themselves and at least notch up a bit of "Australian Experience" as so many employers seem fixated on this and not on who is the better person for the job.

How are "American Experience" and "American" education viewed?

17 minutes ago, Pura Vida said:

Some may say far too close to American economic policy for our own good. Holidays can and do often give 'false' or at least over emphasised opinions towards the over positive to be of much factual use. One's host can over emphase the advantages, or they transplanted at an earlier time when Oz was a different place and the good times rolled on.

Age discrimination is very pronounced in Australia. Chasing the all mighty dollar? Could be OZ. Prices and charges over the top for so much.

You are pretty much spot on and something my wife who though she has always loved Australia has been saying something similar to me recently. Her sister's family and all of their friends who we find lovely people moved to Australia between the 1970's and into the early 1990's maybe at the latest. It was a different time and they certainly have had good times. And indeed the hosts do have a tendency to overemphasize the advantages and on top of that we are on a holiday whenever we visit and our goal is to have fun and relax so we are not really seeing it through the lens of would we actually want to live there. 

I will not deny that I still think of the possibility of living there but more and more it seems like maybe we should just be happy that we have family over there and make frequent trips to visit.

Each visit to my wife's family in Queensland and we love it. It really is a wonderful place and I do believe generally that those who are well settled there do seem much happier than people in the United States. That said, even if we gave it another go on the visa front, do you see any issues with being in our forties in terms of employment...i.e.even if there are vacancies...is age discrimination an issue in Australia the way it is in the United States when it comes to employment? 

And why did things change so much in Australia in terms of the economy that it sounds pretty much like the United States? Same issues of stagnant wages, layoffs, increase in part time labor while decreasing full time labor, etc? I thought that is what made Australia different is the country's attitudes of wanting a better overall society versus everybody just chasing after the Almighty Dollar.

I get the sense from all of these comments that for a family with children that migration to Australia is risky. My wife's sister has been well settled in Australia with her husband's family for more than 40 years. We tried to get there on the 176 back in 2009 but then DIAC made changes, our application never got allocated and then the 176 was capped and ceased so now we start from scratch but both of us are now in our early 40's. We could get there either through the 189 with her as an accountant but she would just barely get 60 points and apparently accountants are only getting invitations with 70 points. I might be successful registering as a math teacher in Queensland but then finding employment and somebody to sponsor on the soon to be terminated 457 visa could be challenging. 

I say all this because even if we can pull off a miracle with obtaining a visa that would allow us to live and work in Australia, many of you paint a bleak picture about employment and basically being able to survive there and it may not be worth the risk of selling our assets in the United States and incurring the huge moving costs only to realize that grass is not necessarily greener in Australia as I once may have thought.

On 4/18/2017 at 6:51 AM, lbooth said:

Hi

My partner and I are looking to emigrate in the next year but worried with the recent visa changes that even if we do get granted a visa, we wont find work as employers will favour an Australian candidate (of a lower standard - obviously not looking for preferential treatment!). 

Has anyone had experience of this kind of discrimination or am I just being paranoid?

Cheers

Why worry about things you do not control and ultimately migration is a voluntary choice since I assume the nation of Australia is not trying to pull you you away forcibly from wherever you are now...so if you choose to migrate you do so at your own risk (that is one way of looking at it at least since your question appears to be based on the fear of something negative).

Question 1: Is the announcement that the current 457 visa scheme will be replaced by a new visa scheme in March 2018 going to impact secondary math teachers? I understand that skills list will be reduced for sure.

Question 2: I keep reading that QLD has a demands for Math Teachers but when I search for Brisbane metro not much ever comes up. Let me guess...Regional QLD has the demand?

If you want a better life, then improve your life.

 

If you want a different life, then move to another country.

I did like your comment. I will add one twist to it though as I thought about it a bit more. What would you say to a person who believes a "different life" might lead to a "better life"?

I wasn't suggesting you let the dream go,

 

I was suggesting you let the '2 years work completed before teaching qualification' go.

 

In australia, recruitment often runs more by the 'who you know' rather than 'what you know'.

 

Getting your name spoken can open doors that may not have been noticed.

 

Good luck, please keep the thread informed of your progress,

 

It may help someone else in the future.

The way Australian immigration has been in flux in the sense of first the major changes with Priority Processing and then operating on a one year cycle in terms of making changes, "letting go" would not necessarily be bad advice. We were screwed with the Family Sponsored 176 Offshore by waiting and waiting until the Cap and Cease in September 2015.

With the years passed by, we lost points on age. My wife can still get the 60 points as an accountant under 189 but it turns out you now need 70 though apparently in 2013-2014 60 was good enough. Same with me. Could have got in as a teacher under 189 without needing the points for experience. But, age is now a material difference in our points.

Now, I come to learn that teacher and accountant might both be removed off the SOL for 2016-2017 and that is only when our EOI will be completed in time for. Yikes!!

Hence..the 457 route is my way in if I can pull it off but as you said getting in will require making some contacts. It will not come from just filling out an application.

There is always the student route but not upto shelling out that kind of money for two years in order to get there. Might have been a good idea years ago but at that time I never thought about going abroad for my education.

I've done both. I didn't get the marks I needed in the Ielts and I couldn't wait to do another Ielts, so I ended up doing the PTE. Ielts takes all day and a few weeks to get your results. The PTE takes just a couple of hours to do and I got my result in 2 days. I prepared by doing the mock tests. I found reading out loud with the earphones and mic difficult to concentrate when I could hear everyone else. It can be a challenge to keep focus but I did it yay......and got good marks. I never want to do that again urrrgh. I felt like John Snow.....I know nothing. :-S

What is the deal with the PTE and the noisy environment? Is it not obvious that the test requires people to be able to listen and speak without distractions the most obvious being the fact that it makes no sense to take such a test with others in the same room who are also speaking and listening at the same time. Obviously this could impact the ability to listen to what is being said.

So what am I missing? Test takers are not complaining to Pearson demanding that the test be given in private rooms?

Why are secondary teachers flagged for removal for 2016-2017?

Have you considered being the Primary applicant? I'm pretty sure Secondary Teachers are in demand and you might have a better chance of getting Visa more quickly? Then your wife could also get the 5 partner points.

I am now after your post. Previously, I thought I would have to do it through a 489 to achieve the points. But, I took another look at it appears I could pull it off under the 189 or 190. I would still probably need spouse's partner skill 5 points.

The only thing is, by the time I get the assessment and English test done, I am looking at Fiscal Year 2016-2017. I noticed that Secondary Teacher and Accountant have been flagged for removal.

Does anybody feel that both of these will be removed?

1. Yes that right 8 month backlog. Zero chance with 60 points currently. I am waiting to see if DIBP bring in any changes to how they calculate points on 1st July.

 

2. It doesn't cost any extra to get your Employment assessed at the same time as you are getting your qualifications done (with CPA anyway). Only post degree level qualification employment will be assessed as skilled so it is definitely worth getting the assessing body to do this. I had this problem as have 6 years work experience but CPA only assessed 1.5 yrs as skilled at the appropriate level. I wouldn't risk not having the employment assessed just in case you over claim.

 

3. Yes NSW has Accountant on their list and you get 5 extra points on a 190 Visa, but they still have the same backlog as on a 189 Visa and tend to only invite people with either 70+5 or 65+5 and Superior English.

 

4. Accountants are flagged and have been for the last couple of years I believe. I am concerned they might be removed but its just a case of waiting to see what happens. Possibly they will just reduce the occupation ceiling again to less than 2015-16 level of 2600 accountants. But this is anyone's guess, I don't think we will know until 1st July

1. We were originally Family Sponsored 176 Offshore file back in early 2009..then came priority processing...we still hoped that it would be allocated within 5 or 6 years...no can do...Cap and Cease in September 2015. With the passing of time and change in age category, our options are so limited. It took time to figure this out and we figured Accountant through my spouse on 189 is a possibility...but now we come to learn that the occupation ceiling was already lowered from 10,000 to 5000 and maybe lower next fiscal year. It seems like it takes so much time just to get the skills assessed, documentation, etc together...by the time we are ready for the EOI...something will materially change that makes our new path unlikely...

2. Understood.

3. My spouse is the main applicant. We will get 5 points (partner skills) for my skills assessed as a secondary teacher. Even though I am not the main applicant, could the demand for secondary teachers thus my qualifications as a partner be considered by DIBP when they look at the EOI with 60 points from my spouse's application as a factor to weigh in deciding who to invite (even with an automated system in place).

4. So if you are not invited by the time the new skills list comes out for fiscal year 2016-2017 and Management Accountant is removed (hypothetically speaking), does that mean you cannot be invited during fiscal year 2016-2017?

You seem very hung up on this point,

 

It doesnt help for the 190,

 

By all means if you can secure a 457, use it to try to negotiate a higer starting point on the pay scale,

 

But a school may refuse to accept it as experience after a suitable teaching qualification was reached.

 

You may have to just 'let it go'.

I agree with your last response. I have moved on from the post-qualification experience because that is not happening for me.

Thus based on your last reply, I am pursuing the 457 route and surprisingly gaining some traction by calling the schools directly as you suggested. Under the 457, there is no particular work experience requirement so any that I have is part of my candidacy for the job but not for meeting the visa requirements.

Now, I am sure you will agree that it is a good thing that I did not "let it go" otherwise I would not have got your last reply which was a trigger for me to call up the schools directly and see if the 457 might be a possibility and now that is a route I will pursue.

Again..thank you!!!!