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CaptainR

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Dear All ,

 

Can someone advice me whether our experience as cadet count for claiming points for experience ? I have 19 months exp as cadet and 18 months exp as 3rd officer . So will i be able to claim 5 points for 3 years experience ? ........Thanks

 

Hi Jikku,

 

unfortunately for us at the bottom of the qualification ladder they only count sea time following qualification as experience. However mathematically it's still pretty possible to get the 60 points, you get points for your academic qualification related to your ticket and if you can score 8 or above on IELTS you're pretty much there. So long as you fit into the age categories of course!


(ANZSCO 231215 Ship's Officer) <20 Feb 15 Applied for assessment><10 Apr 15-IELTS Speaking><11 Apr 15 IELTS Papers><24 Apr 15 IELTS Results Received><13 May 15 AMSA issued eligibility letter><04 Jun 15 Orals><09 Jun 15 Visa Medical><16 Jun 15 Skills Letter Issued><16 Jun 15 EOI Submitted><19 Jun 15 Invitation to apply received>

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Dear All ,

 

Can someone advice me whether our experience as cadet count for claiming points for experience ? I have 19 months exp as cadet and 18 months exp as 3rd officer . So will i be able to claim 5 points for 3 years experience ? ........Thanks

 

This is a difficult question, the immigration rules say that it is when a person gains the qualification to work in that job.

But it also says that working in a related profession also counts. It's a little different because it's all on the job training with us, so it may count.

I've heard plenty of stories that people have been declined visas for over claiming their experience albeit not Ship's Officers or Masters. Maybe someone else on here can share their experiences but I would be inclined to advise to err on the side of caution and don't claim the cadet experience, get any extra points that you need in other ways such as IELTS.


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They are counting "Skilled experience" not just "Experience". I doubt experience as a cadet be considered as skilled.


(ANZSCO 231213 - Ship's Master): COR Master oral Passed on 17-Mar-15, Final Skill Assessment Received 27-Mar-15, IELTS 10-Apr-15 (least 7, Overall 8), EOI submitted 21 Apr 15, Invited 24 Apr 15, Lodged 24 Apr 15, CO 10-Jun-15, Add docs sent 03-Jul-15, Grant 09-Jul-15

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They are counting "Skilled experience" not just "Experience". I doubt experience as a cadet be considered as skilled.

 

Chief Mate S makes a good point here.


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Thank you all ..yes i would rather score IELTS 8 and make 60 points than claiming cadet experience ..

 

Good choice. You don't want to open yourself up to problems.


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Good day all

I got my initial assessment done (Amsa 12) in 2014 November and intend to sit for COR Chief Mate oral this November 2015. Could you seniors please help me with some past oral questions / feedback. Self is holding a Chief Mate CoC From UK.

Another query is how long does it take to book the orals ( the process I am directed to again involves sending certified copies of all certificates and Original sea-service testimonials like I did for the initial assessment) OR is there a simpler way of booking the orals that I am not aware of.

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Hello!

 

I'm workind as a 3rd officer. I wonder How can i get sponsored to work in Australia? i need your advice. I wanna get visa 457.

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Hello!

 

I'm workind as a 3rd officer. I wonder How can i get sponsored to work in Australia? i need your advice. I wanna get visa 457.

 

Sorry to say it, but there is practically no chance that you will get sponsored on a 457 from an Australian employer.

 

You are better with a 189, if you can meet the requirements.


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I see. I read that people usually use visa457, on some web site. just I wonder, what is the way for to find sponsored to work. Any link or something else? I want to try my chance.

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I see. I read that people usually use visa457, on some web site. just I wonder, what is the way for to find sponsored to work. Any link or something else? I want to try my chance.

 

You must be sponsored through an Australian company. There are no legitimate third party websites at all that can offer a 457 Visa.

The only legal way is to approach a company and ask them for sponsorship.

If you go through a website claiming to be able to get you a 457 then you will definitely be throwing money away.

Read about the 457 visa here http://www.immi.gov.au/visas/pages/457.aspx

 

A 457 is only valid for while you are working for the sponsoring company and it's only for 4 years (renewable). If you lose your employment or decide to quit then you must find another sponsor for your 457, you cannot stay and live in Australia without the sponsorship.

I haven't heard of any seafarer that has been granted a 457 visa with the exception of some specially experienced Master's and Marine Pilots.

 

There is no shortage of properly qualified Australian citizen seafarers, and one of the tests for eligibility for a 457 is that the shipping company cannot find an Australian Citizen or Permanent Resident to do the job. Therefore, I can assure you that no Australian company will sponsor a third officer under any circumstances regardless of experience.

 

Try the 189 visa. It is a permanent residency visa so allows you to work anywhere and gives you most of the rights of an Australian Citizen.

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Thanks for your reply.

 

No problem. If you want any advice about the 189 visa and process, then have a read through this thread and if you have any more questions then don't hesitate to ask.


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The 457 is not an ideal route for seafarers wanting to reside. 457 visas are being issued to some Senior and occasionally Junior Officer, but usually ones with DP tickets and extensive experience on a specialist ship type, and generally have worked for the company outside of Australia for a considerable period of time prior. The unions are strong and as soon as experienced Australia can fill the role the 457 visa holder will be pushed out. The likelihood at any rank of staying long enough on a 457 to get PR is very low. In the offshore side many of the 457s have disappeared recently as the work has dried up.

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Hello everyone cleared my AMSA oral yesterday and need to know how we get the skill assessement letter after orals ?


VISA 189 GRANTED 12TH SEP.15

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Hello everyone cleared my AMSA oral yesterday and need to know how we get the skill assessement letter after orals ?

 

Congratulations!!!

 

Play the waiting game again now. Takes approx 28 days and comes by email and post.


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Congratulations!!!

 

Play the waiting game again now. Takes approx 28 days and comes by email and post.

 

 

A Big thanks to Captain C and Capt. Deepak for all the help in providing the material .I am still in Fremantle the surveyor said it will come from Canberra so will wait .


VISA 189 GRANTED 12TH SEP.15

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Hello to all

Appreciate the effort by many on this forum. Like many I am too keen on applying for the 189.

At this point I hold a UK Class 1 CoC , and have just completed my MSc (Maritime Studies). Since 2013 have been working ashore in Singapore with an offshore company as a HSE superintendent.

 

Had a few questions:

 

[1]. Can I get my shore experience assessed by AMSA

[2]. With my MSc I can claim for additional points, do I need to get it assessed by AMSA?


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Hello to all

Appreciate the effort by many on this forum. Like many I am too keen on applying for the 189.

At this point I hold a UK Class 1 CoC , and have just completed my MSc (Maritime Studies). Since 2013 have been working ashore in Singapore with an offshore company as a HSE superintendent.

 

Had a few questions:

 

[1]. Can I get my shore experience assessed by AMSA

[2]. With my MSc I can claim for additional points, do I need to get it assessed by AMSA?

 

Welcome to the forum.

It all depends on whether your experience is considered as a related occupation. This would be a question for AMSA. You will need to get your skills assessed for Ship's Master as this is the ANZSCO occupation on the Skilled Occupation List.

 

It wouldn't be a problem to have your masters ticket assessed and if you want you can claim points for the Master's Degree instead of the skills assessment, but not both. (ie, you cannot claim extra points for both your degree and for your Master's CoC)

 

Get in touch with AMSA and pose your questions as it is the only way that you'll get a definitive answer.

 

If you PM me I can give you a contact email address within the qualifications section at AMSA in Canberra.


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Invitation received, going to get cracking on it in the next couple of days and submit application within the week I hope.


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Welcome to the forum.

It all depends on whether your experience is considered as a related occupation. This would be a question for AMSA. You will need to get your skills assessed for Ship's Master as this is the ANZSCO occupation on the Skilled Occupation List.

 

It wouldn't be a problem to have your masters ticket assessed and if you want you can claim points for the Master's Degree instead of the skills assessment, but not both. (ie, you cannot claim extra points for both your degree and for your Master's CoC)

 

get in touch with AMSA and pose your questions as it is the only way that you'll get a definitive answer.

 

If you PM me I can give you a contact email address within the qualifications section at AMSA in Canberra.

 

 

 

I have mailed AMSA on the matter, haven't got a response yet. As far as the MSc is concerned, will I not be able to claim the 15 points for the bachelors/masters? The points I claim for my Class1 will be under employment experience.


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Invitation received, going to get cracking on it in the next couple of days and submit application within the week I hope.

 

Congrats Capt C...me too received invitation yesterday.....

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I have mailed AMSA on the matter, haven't got a response yet. As far as the MSc is concerned, will I not be able to claim the 15 points for the bachelors/masters? The points I claim for my Class1 will be under employment experience.

 

Yes you can claim the 15 points for your MSc. You can also claim the employment as per your experience. But you cannot claim for 'An award or qualification recognised by the assessing authority in the assessment of the skilled occupation' as well as your MSc. Hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

Did you contact AMSA through the normal enquiry email address or direct to a person in the quals department? If you get a reply from the enquiries email, you'll be a luckier man than me! I tried twice and got nothing.


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Congrats Capt C...me too received invitation yesterday.....

 

Cheers BJ, and good luck with your application


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Received Invitation today!

Congrats to Captain C & bjsingh as well....

Happy week end and pls update your signatures.


(ANZSCO 231213 - Ship's Master): IELTS: 04 Aug 13, Applied for Skill Assessment: 22 Sept 13, Received Initial Assessment letter: 23 Oct 13, Medicals: 9 Jan 15, Cleared COR Oral Exam: 17 Mar 15, Received Final Assessment: 20 Mar 15, EOI Applied - 08 Apr 15, Invited: 08 May 15, VISA Applied: 12 May 15, Oz Medicals: 26 May 15 & VISA Grant: 15 July 15.

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