1st July 2011 changes...

[Guest Hornster]

Under the proposed changes to the points system due to be introduced on the 1st July 2011, if someone can reach the 65 points required but have done so without awarding any points for the qualifications categories, will that be allowed or will you have to be able to award yourself points in the qualification categories to be eligible to apply?

[Guest Hornster]

Age = 25

IELTS = 20

Australian work experience = 0

Overseas work experience = 15

Qualifications = 0

Australian study = 0

Designated language = 0

Partner skills = 0

Professional year = 0

State sponsorship = 5

Regional / family sponsorship = 0

Study in regional area = 0

 

TOTAL points = 65

 

Above are all the categories that the proposed new points system are made up of and the above scores are how I would score under the new system

 

You will notice that I have awarded myself 0 points in the qualifications category as i do not haver a university degree but I still manage to score the required 65 points.

 

Now I just have to hope that when the legislation is drafted for these changes that they don't say that to be successfull you HAVE to be able to score points in the qualification category.!!

[sandk 43]

I am sure someone more qualifed than I will be along in a minute but for my pennence worth i would say you should be fine without the qualification points. If it was necessary to score in certain catergories it would surely be put forward as a compulsory element (like you must be under 50 years old etc). Based on nothing but my own, limited, understanding - but I think you should start being positive and geting all your bits together to make an application!

[Guest h2c357]

Will these changes to apply all applicants (as has been done previously) or will they new applications alone be affected?

[Bpremji 37]

If someone could also help me with a question?

 

I am in the process of applying, ACS paperwork is going through next week. I believe I qualify under both systems, should I try and get my application lodged before July 1st or wait until the new system kicks in. Is there going to be any difference in the speed that the applications under the new system will be processed against the ones that were lodged prior to July 2011.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[taniaholmes 530]

Age = 25

IELTS = 20

Australian work experience = 0

Overseas work experience = 15

Qualifications = 0

Australian study = 0

Designated language = 0

Partner skills = 0

Professional year = 0

State sponsorship = 5

Regional / family sponsorship = 0

Study in regional area = 0

 

TOTAL points = 65

 

Above are all the categories that the proposed new points system are made up of and the above scores are how I would score under the new system

 

You will notice that I have awarded myself 0 points in the qualifications category as i do not haver a university degree but I still manage to score the required 65 points.

 

Now I just have to hope that when the legislation is drafted for these changes that they don't say that to be successfull you HAVE to be able to score points in the qualification category.!!

 

 

Hi, To get a state sponsor you have to meet ther requirements such as e.g 7 years experiance in your occupation also show evidence of money depending on the state, you should look at the SMP for each state to see what they require.

Tania

[Guest Hornster]

The reality is that there is currently NO LEGISLATION to support the proposed changes to the points system and until legislation comes into force everything is pure speculation.

 

It is even possible that these changes may not even be able to be introdued on 1st July if the legislation is not ready in time OR the proposed changes, as they currently stand, may change before they are introduced.

 

So, the moral of the story is to base your visa applications on the current points sytem until such time as the proposed changes are made law by having legislation to support and changes.

 

There are also still far too many points that need clarifying under the proposed system that are currently not answered in the proposed changes.

[Guest Hornster]

I do meet all their requirements.

[taniaholmes 530]

I do meet all their requirements.

 

So you should get points for your qualifactions.

Tania

[Joebloggs 184]

You still have to achieve a skills assessment as per the current system do you not?

 

Also I noticed you awarded yourself 20 points for IELTS, have you already passed IELTS at 8.0 across the board? or are you making an assumption that you will obtain that?

[Guest Hornster]

You still have to achieve a skills assessment as per the current system do you not?

 

Also I noticed you awarded yourself 20 points for IELTS, have you already passed IELTS at 8.0 across the board? or are you making an assumption that you will obtain that?

 

Yes, I just recently sat my IELTS and scored 8.0 across the board which will go a long way in helping my application if I decide to wait and apply when/if introduced.

 

As for the skills assessment, no one seems to know at the moment if a positive skills assessment will be required if you aren't awarding yourself any points in the qualification category of the propsed new points system. I have spoken to a couple MARN agents who seem divided as to what is likely to be the answer.

[Joebloggs 184]

Yes, I just recently sat my IELTS and scored 8.0 across the board which will go a long way in helping my application if I decide to wait and apply when/if introduced.

 

As for the skills assessment, no one seems to know at the moment if a positive skills assessment will be required if you aren't awarding yourself any points in the qualification category of the propsed new points system. I have spoken to a couple MARN agents who seem divided as to what is likely to be the answer.

 

Are you saying that those scoring 0 points would be self assessing skills? That's a new concept.

[Guest journeydownunder]

I'm far from an expert but from my understanding I think you can be certain that new points test or not, everyone will still need their skills assessed by the relevant body. Although the points system doesn't award points fir you'd occupation, I'm sure you will need to nominate an occupation and you will need to prove you are adequately skilled so will need to do a skills assessment. That's not to say you have to have formal qualifications, I imagine that as now, each occupation will have certain requirements, some of which will require qualifications some will be ok with experience. But I'm certain you will still need to get your skills assessed.

 

Then dependant on if you decide to go for state sponsorship to help speed the process, thx states will each have their own idea of what they want!! Which could be more strict than what vetassess or TRA want!!!

 

Such a minefield and as someone else has said things change all the time, but the one thing that I don't think has ever changed is that you have to have your skills assessed!!

 

Good luck anyway. Whatever route you decide.

 

Emma

 

 

I think I'm right in saying that the points are just one part

[Joebloggs 184]

I'm far from an expert but from my understanding I think you can be certain that new points test or not, everyone will still need their skills assessed by the relevant body. Although the points system doesn't award points fir you'd occupation, I'm sure you will need to nominate an occupation and you will need to prove you are adequately skilled so will need to do a skills assessment. That's not to say you have to have formal qualifications, I imagine that as now, each occupation will have certain requirements, some of which will require qualifications some will be ok with experience. But I'm certain you will still need to get your skills assessed.

 

Then dependant on if you decide to go for state sponsorship to help speed the process, thx states will each have their own idea of what they want!! Which could be more strict than what vetassess or TRA want!!!

 

Such a minefield and as someone else has said things change all the time, but the one thing that I don't think has ever changed is that you have to have your skills assessed!!

 

Good luck anyway. Whatever route you decide.

 

Emma

 

 

I think I'm right in saying that the points are just one part

 

I have to agree that assuming with the new points system because you dont get any points for qualifications then you wouldnt require a skills assessment at all does sound a bit obsurd, common sense would indicate that there would need to be some sort of skills assessment.

 

And like you say in the above case with 0 points for qualifications then State Sponsorship is required to make up the short fall, this is itself could be tight.

 

of course as someone mentioned that this points system is not set in stone, the proposed pass markat the moment is 65 but this could easily moved to 70 or vice versa.

[reza 680]

I think you misunderstood the point system. You will get points for your work experience if it is relevant to your assessed skills. Meaning that if you do not have qualifications and are not able to obtain positive skills assessment in your occupation then you won't be given the point for work experience.

What is your occupation ?

Regards

[taniaholmes 530]

I am sure you have to nominate your occupation or whats the point of SMP or the SOL list if you do not need a skill.

Tania

[Waitingawhile 183]

you will need to have a skills assessment in an occupation the sates wants to get state sponsorship so wont get the 5 points otherwise and will not qualify I would have thought

[Guest giboyle]

What visa are you applying for to enter into the points system? Thought the job needed to be on the SOL first? Is this still the case?

[Guest ninauk]

hi guys, i have just seen this change!

I am 29 i am english so have the language i have worked overseas and in oz.

I am an exec assistant and i cant see my stuff on the list but am confident i can retrain if needed or something. any advise is appreciated before i consult an agent