Guest guest37336 Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Before I go any further I would like to say I am NOT a chauvinistic pig, just ask my better half after she has finished the chores that are her duty, :shocked::biglaugh:. I agree totally that women and men should be treated equally in 'most' respects, wages, rights, etc, BUT. Am I being old fashioned when I say I still like to treat a lady as a lady. I only ask as we have recently got back from visiting some relatives, :mad: and I was severely put in my place for offering my seat to a middle aged lady that I didn't know, the room was packed and I just thought it right, but was told by a friend of hers that it was rather condescending, (OK, she did this in a 'jokey' way) but all the same she meant it. I didn't look upon the lady in question as old, infirm etc, just a 'LADY' who might have wanted to sit down instead of standing. I will always offer my seat to any lady I see if I am travelling, age doesn't come into it, always hold the door open for them, (as I do blokes as well), and will let a lady go before me into a doorway , etc. I will pull a chair out for a lady, take her coat etc, I guess I am old fashioned. But I would like to get a female perspective on this. Though times have changed with reference to the workplace, pay, voting etc, and rightly so, do you look upon a bloke who believes in certain old fashioned values as out of touch with the modern era. There must be more blokes like me out there, in fact I know there are, because I see politeness toward ladies all the time, not ALL, but most. So, though times have changed ladies, do you still liked to be looked upon as the fairer sex, and men being polite to you, (without condescending) or do you see it as an affront to your dignity? Cheers Tony.:wink:
pablo Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 I was told i was sexist on here the other week because i said i dont swear in front of women unless they do,cant win,some say chivalrous others condescending,not arsed tbh,its my way,so i'l carry on. Its my natural inclination to sympathise or feel more for women,cant help it,tend to feel men should "just get on with it"(to an extent anyway).
TheOptimist Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Before I go any further I would like to say I am NOT a chauvinistic pig, just ask my better half after she has finished the chores that are her duty, :shocked::biglaugh:. I agree totally that women and men should be treated equally in 'most' respects, wages, rights, etc, BUT. Am I being old fashioned when I say I still like to treat a lady as a lady. I only ask as we have recently got back from visiting some relatives, :mad: and I was severely put in my place for offering my seat to a middle aged lady that I didn't know, the room was packed and I just thought it right, but was told by a friend of hers that it was rather condescending, (OK, she did this in a 'jokey' way) but all the same she meant it. I didn't look upon the lady in question as old, infirm etc, just a 'LADY' who might have wanted to sit down instead of standing. I will always offer my seat to any lady I see if I am travelling, age doesn't come into it, always hold the door open for them, (as I do blokes as well), and will let a lady go before me into a doorway , etc. I will pull a chair out for a lady, take her coat etc, I guess I am old fashioned. But I would like to get a female perspective on this. Though times have changed with reference to the workplace, pay, voting etc, and rightly so, do you look upon a bloke who believes in certain old fashioned values as out of touch with the modern era. There must be more blokes like me out there, in fact I know there are, because I see politeness toward ladies all the time, not ALL, but most. So, though times have changed ladies, do you still liked to be looked upon as the fairer sex, and men being polite to you, (without condescending) or do you see it as an affront to your dignity? Cheers Tony.:wink: One of the things I love so much about my OH is that he very much treats me like a lady. (:shocked:Yep - even me!:biglaugh:). He will always carry my bags for me when we go shopping, will always hold doors open etc. Though he is very modern in almost all other ways he has retained exceptional manners. He doesn't always get it right but I love him all the more for trying. Yes - being polite is exceptionally important to me. If a man (or anyone for that matter) is rude to me, say, on the tube, at work etc, then I will immediately disregard them I am afraid to say.
TheOptimist Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 I was told i was sexist on here the other week because i said i dont swear in front of women unless they do,cant win,some say chivalrous others condescending,not arsed tbh,its my way,so i'l carry on.Its my natural inclination to sympathise or feel more for women,cant help it,tend to feel men should "just get on with it"(to an extent anyway). You? Sexist? :shocked:. Nah, they've got the wrong man :yes::wubclub:
Guest guest17301 Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Carry on Tony, its all about good manners and common decency, sexism doesnt enter the equation. At the end of the day women are women and men are men...we ARE different but that doesnt mean we can't be equal (but women will always be more equal than men:tongue:)
Guest Bobby Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Women imo enjoy a man with manners and one who will open doors carry her shopping etc, does not cost nothing to be a gentleman.
stevie ellis Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 i have manners but dont like women milking it:no:there no different fae us :arghh:
Si T Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 Before I go any further I would like to say I am NOT a chauvinistic pig, just ask my better half after she has finished the chores that are her duty, :shocked::biglaugh:. I agree totally that women and men should be treated equally in 'most' respects, wages, rights, etc, BUT. Am I being old fashioned when I say I still like to treat a lady as a lady. I only ask as we have recently got back from visiting some relatives, :mad: and I was severely put in my place for offering my seat to a middle aged lady that I didn't know, the room was packed and I just thought it right, but was told by a friend of hers that it was rather condescending, (OK, she did this in a 'jokey' way) but all the same she meant it. I didn't look upon the lady in question as old, infirm etc, just a 'LADY' who might have wanted to sit down instead of standing. I will always offer my seat to any lady I see if I am travelling, age doesn't come into it, always hold the door open for them, (as I do blokes as well), and will let a lady go before me into a doorway , etc. I will pull a chair out for a lady, take her coat etc, I guess I am old fashioned. But I would like to get a female perspective on this. Though times have changed with reference to the workplace, pay, voting etc, and rightly so, do you look upon a bloke who believes in certain old fashioned values as out of touch with the modern era. There must be more blokes like me out there, in fact I know there are, because I see politeness toward ladies all the time, not ALL, but most. So, though times have changed ladies, do you still liked to be looked upon as the fairer sex, and men being polite to you, (without condescending) or do you see it as an affront to your dignity? Cheers Tony.:wink: I have the same attitude as you and categorically refuse to change or apologise for the fact. I fully believe in equality but it does not mean that courtesy and manners should be forgotten in the process. Men and women are different and equality does not mean that this fact can be disregarded. In my opinion they should have either accepted and said thankyou or refused with good grace. To mention it to you shows a distinct lack of good manners in my opinion.
pablo Posted January 1, 2011 Posted January 1, 2011 You? Sexist? :shocked:. Nah, they've got the wrong man :yes::wubclub: :laugh:Thankyou ks! never got me pinny off me either:yes:
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I believe in equal rights for woman all across the board in everything ............... as long as they know their place and concede that we have bigger brains and know more about life and we are better drivers, plus lots of other things, that women aren't great at, like most sport and the offside rule, but yeah i think they are equal................. well sort of.
Guest guest36187 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I was offered a seat once by a teenager who was on the bis on his way to school! Made a refreshing change! That never happened whenI was living in uk!! Lol
Guest siamsusie Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 One of the things I love so much about my OH is that he very much treats me like a lady. (:shocked:Yep - even me!:biglaugh:). He will always carry my bags for me when we go shopping, will always hold doors open etc. Though he is very modern in almost all other ways he has retained exceptional manners. He doesn't always get it right but I love him all the more for trying. Yes - being polite is exceptionally important to me. If a man (or anyone for that matter) is rude to me, say, on the tube, at work etc, then I will immediately disregard them I am afraid to say. Mr Siam is identical Optic, and thats important to me... I blame his good manners on his Irish immigrant :laugh: mother with a tough right hook
Guest guest36762 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I was offered a seat once by a teenager who was on the bis on his way to school!Made a refreshing change! That never happened whenI was living in uk!! Lol He might have thought you were pregnant...?
Guest guest36187 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 He might have thought you were pregnant...? I actually said that you know!!!!! TOld him I werent pregnant or anything! He said he was taught to be respectful to women - that was good enough for me!
Guest guest36762 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I think it's a load of nonsense tbh, sure I'll give up my seat to an old lady or a pregnant woman, but I think women who expect old fashioned chivalry are guilty of double standards. I believe in politeness and manners regardless of sex. I also believe women tennis players don't deserve the same prize money as men in grandslams.
Guest VickyMel Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 I don't have a problem with guys opening doors for me, my OH always takes the heavier bags - makes sense he has muscles - mine are wimpy. And I have no problem with guys doing things just cos I'm female and they think it polite - but I am not offended if they don't. But I don't expect guys to run to open a door - if I am first to the door, or if they are carrying things, I will hold it open for the guys - it makes common sense and is polite. I would not expect anyone to offer a seat purely based on the sex of the person. If there is a man or woman who looks like they need to sit down on the bus I would offer my seat regardless of their sex. I do have a couple of female friends who will wait outside the car waiting for their OH to open the door even if they have to do something (like carrying something heavy and needing to put it in the boot) first... :rolleyes: I don't understand them - I'd be opening the boot to assist. You can offer me your seat any day Tony - I would not be offended (as long as you were not offended if I offered you mine if I thought you needed it more than me one day:wink:). I will just sit on Pablo's knee as I know he isn't sexist :biggrin: VickyMel
Guest guest17301 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 That sums it up very well Vicky. Well said
Guest The Ropey HOFF Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 Why is it that all the girls love pablo? He is a scouser you know, he sounds alright in print, but in real life...................... well he speaks scouse.
Guest VickyMel Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 Why is it that all the girls love pablo? He is a scouser you know, he sounds alright in print, but in real life...................... well he speaks scouse. :embarrassed: maybe we all want to tame him :biglaugh: (ooops now I will get the feminist lobby onto me :wink:) So he will say Cuwk instead of Cook then - I can understand a bit of scouse. And he does have a pinny and for a woman like me who is not that great in the kitchen that goes a long way. Vicky
Guest guest17301 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 Why is it that all the girls love pablo? He is a scouser you know, he sounds alright in print, but in real life...................... well he speaks scouse. I LOVE the scouse accent...much to my husbands disgust....:yes:
MicheleW Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 Why is it that all the girls love pablo? He is a scouser you know, he sounds alright in print, but in real life...................... well he speaks scouse. Because he is adorable, and tbh I have a thing for scousers.
Guest guest17301 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 He's like Billy Joel in that uptown girl video:biglaugh: Loveable working class grease monkey (or building monkey)
pablo Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 :laugh:What are yez like! wind ups!:embarrassed::wubclub::wubclub:
Guest sh7t man no way Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 i know what you mean tony--im from the old scholl,and strongly believe in old fashioned values-where we must treat women in a sensitive compasionate way,and be respectfull of all there needs--when shove comes to push they need all the assistance required by the master race (men) to help them get through the basic tasks in life--its a bit frustrating for me when i know if they tried harder they could achieve so much in life,but basically all women are just lazy,and much prefer the men to think there lives for them--so up untill they achieve equal status with men,i will always open doors,and stand for them on buses,but i do find it tiring having to think for them all the time,i find its the least we can do for these poor unfortunates:wubclub:
Guest guest37336 Posted January 2, 2011 Posted January 2, 2011 Pablo, :notworthy::notworthy::notworthy: In honour of you mate. Sorry, couldn't resist Pablo.:wubclub: Billy Joel - Uptown Girl | SPIKE Cheers Tony.:wink:
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