Global warming ?

[bunbury61]

For those interested in the latest weather situation have a look at this website www.iceagenow.com

[chalkyhill]

whats your opinion is global warming caused by man?

[Guest gratom]

Extreme scepticism--my mum;not long before she passed away said that you could judge winters by the quantity of berries on the autumn bushes.The last three years they have been flourishing in large amounts.Is this theory any less or more accurate than the longer term predictions of the met office??.

Personally I think much of our weather is dictated by the level of sunspot activity and man has only the most marginal of influence:wubclub:

[TheOptimist]

I believe that there is such a thing as global warming (or cooling?) but that emissions etc are simply speeding up the effects that nature would take, rather than being solely responsible for it.

[BritChickx]

What she said ^^ lol. Definately global cooling, brrr.

[Cedric]

You also may want to want to have a look at this: Freeze in Europe linked to cold wave pushed south by Arctic warming | ClimateSignals . Based on a research paper just published.

 

Anyway, we shouldn't forget that these phenomenons imply very complex models and therefore there also is a lot of uncertainty which of course shouldn't impede us to take a precautionary approach.

 

Personally, what annoys me is to see that there is a lot of people trying to speak in the name of science to affirm or deny categorically things. Let us not forget that for science, something cannot proved to be true, but just proved to be wrong. Natural selection is a good and robust theory, but its a...theory that may be proved wrong someday (even though I admit that as a trained biologist, that would prove to be very disconcerting). So one should stay critical and open-minded, without being dogmatic.

 

Anyway, looots of crap around this question on the web (not saying your source is, just a general consideration). So one should never forget to ask oneself the question: who is talking ?

[robfromdublin]

There is global warming which is highly likely to be caused by CO2 emissions. There are regional differences, which includes changes in weather patterns which cause cooling in certain areas at certain times (like Europe, now). However, weather should not be confused with climate. Climate is a statistical concept, weather is having to spend 20 minutes chipping ice off my car this morning.

 

Solar activity (sunspots) has an effect but you cannot use it to explain the climate variability over the last century and especially the last 2 decades. They do have a large effect on the jet stream (see this article from April Ebbing sunspot activity makes Europe freeze : Nature News) but they run on 11 year cycles and 1998 was a very warm year for global temps ie very close to solar minimum.

[Guest sh7t man no way]

theres no such thing as global warming,as predicted by the so called experts of the modern time--its just the planet breathing in,and out as its done over millions of years--there nothing but a bunch off doom,and gloomys who want you to turn green, so they can make a profit from your guilt--tut tut shame on you greenys:no:stop scareing people,and report the facts--what next an asteriond unless we stop cutting trees down:biglaugh:shame on you i say:wideeyed:

[robfromdublin]

We are reporting the facts.

 

Like most climate skeptics, you are short on facts on long on misinformation and slander. Let's examine your argument shall we?

 

First off, do you believe the planet is warming?

If you do, what do you think is the process causing it?

[Guest sh7t man no way]

We are reporting the facts.

 

Like most climate skeptics, you are short on facts on long on misinformation and slander. Let's examine your argument shall we?

 

First off, do you believe the planet is warming?

If you do, what do you think is the process causing it?

first---no

secondley--for the sake of an answer--panic,and missinfomation--its a human condition that the people who controll us use a lot:wubclub:i hope this explains my post

[Guest The Ropey HOFF]

Global warming?.................... BAHHHHHH HUMBUG.

 

[robfromdublin]

first---no

secondley--for the sake of an answer--panic,and missinfomation--its a human condition that the people who controll us use a lot:wubclub:i hope this explains my post

 

OK so we stop at the first question. You don't believe that global warming is real. Do you accept, though, that for many decades countries and individuals have been taking measurements of temperature? This has nothing to do with predictions or models. Just people going outside with a thermometer. If you take an average of all those measurements, you get something like this graph, compiled by NASA:

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

 

Also, you are in a minority of skeptics. Even the biggest climate skeptic of all, George W. Bush, had this to say on the matter:

Interview with President Bush - White House Transcript - POLITICO.com

 

Q Mr. President, for the record, is global warming real?

THE PRESIDENT: Yes, it is real, sure is.

[robfromdublin]

Global warming?.................... BAHHHHHH HUMBUG.

 

 

 

Great pic!

 

But yeah, that's weather, not climate.

[Guest guest32776]

Unfortunately climate change is almost certainly speeding up and will in all likelihood reach event horizon by 2050 unless we move to nuclear fuel or develop a universally used method of capturing carbon. The underlying problem is overpopulation by the human race. Basically any more than 2 children and you are contributing to net population growth. Carbon sinks such as forests and the ocean are being decimated all over the planet in the name of food production. At the same time the earth will hold 9 billion of us by 2050,

consuming more and living longer..... In time governments will develop policy around the need to decrease populations but probably only when they realise a massive umbrella over the sun just isn't an option!!

[fleabo]

The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye - Jimi Hendrix.

 

That crazy cat had some insight into man's existence on this planet.

[Guest guest32776]

The story of life is quicker than the wink of an eye - Jimi Hendrix.

 

That crazy cat had some insight into man's existence on this planet.

 

Absolutely right. I think the stats are something like in the last 10 seconds of time humans have killed 99% of the world's sharks. It is difficult to see much of a future for our species....

[bunbury61]

whats your opinion is global warming caused by man?

 

Sorry Chalky , iam not well versed enough in the argument to have a strong opinion either way .

It seems that the northern hemisphere is going to feel the full brunt of "global cooling " if there is such a thing .

But how then does the planet feed itself .......the wheatbelts of Russia and the U.S affected.

 

If you want a real DEEP debate ......and this weather phenomenon isnt MAN MADE at all ......now we go into the realms of religious prophecy

 

ps Dont worry iam not some religious fanatic ......but i have read a few books on the subject of prophecy:biglaugh:

[Guest guest32776]

Sorry Chalky , iam not well versed enough in the argument to have a strong opinion either way .

It seems that the northern hemisphere is going to feel the full brunt of "global cooling " if there is such a thing .

But how then does the planet feed itself .......the wheatbelts of Russia and the U.S affected.

 

If you want a real DEEP debate ......and this weather phenomenon isnt MAN MADE at all ......now we go into the realms of religious prophecy

 

ps Dont worry iam not some religious fanatic ......but i have read a few books on the subject of prophecy:biglaugh:

 

This 'cooling' would take place if the water from the melting Polar ice caps disrupts the Gulf Stream - a conveyor belt of warmer water coming up from the tropics which makes Northern Europe inhabitable and fertile for crops. There is a great book by James Lovelock, 'The Revenge of Gaia' if you want to explore the non -prophetical side of the story.

[fleabo]

Unfortunately climate change is almost certainly speeding up and will in all likelihood reach event horizon by 2050 unless we move to nuclear fuel or develop a universally used method of capturing carbon. The underlying problem is overpopulation by the human race. Basically any more than 2 children and you are contributing to net population growth. Carbon sinks such as forests and the ocean are being decimated all over the planet in the name of food production. At the same time the earth will hold 9 billion of us by 2050,

consuming more and living longer..... In time governments will develop policy around the need to decrease populations but probably only when they realise a massive umbrella over the sun just isn't an option!!

 

You're right - overpopulation will be the greatest global challenge faced in this century - it has the potential to lead to greater problems than climate change, and these problems may only be resolved by human conflict e.g. Afganistan and Iraq only on a larger scale.

 

Cheers

[Guest guest32776]

You're right - overpopulation will be the greatest global challenge faced in this century - it has the potential to lead to greater problems than climate change, and these problems may only be resolved by human conflict e.g. Afganistan and Iraq only on a larger scale.

 

Cheers

 

1. The failure of world food markets as tariffs and protectionism rises

2. War as nations fight over the remaining arable land (China is already busy securing its future food production by leasing big chunks of African farm land and some now in Australia)

3. The complete obliteration of any wild life/ animal that isn't being farmed for human consumption

:cry: