Doctors' thread

[Guest man2010]

Hi there again, thanks for your help.

 

We have just arrived in the country on a 457. My husband has a contract for 3 years. We have 3 children who have all settled well into school so if we were to stay permanently in this country we would want to stay in the same area. Do you think that this will probably not be possible? I really want to be aware of all these things before we all get too settled and think that we would like to make it our permanent home only to find out that this would not be possible.

 

Emma

HI Emma,

I've just jumped on the band wagon so forgive me if someone has already explained this. I came on a PR myself and although am working in a DWS area,am not in a remote area.Am in Brisbane about 20km from the city. I have a colleague however who is in the situation similar to the one described by other forum members here already.He is on a 457 and once his PR comes through,he cant work for this practice because of these very confusing rules.The explanation we've been given is as follows: if you are a VT GP (ie registered with the royal college of GPs with FRACGP) then you can work pretty much anywhere with the DWS criteria.However,if you are not VT then once your PR comes through then you are restricted where you work until you get your FRAGP registration.You have to work not only in DWS but also the place your work in, has to meet another criteria to do with doctor/patient ratio.No I don't quite understand it but this is how it was explained to us.

In short,if you have FRAGP status then your PR status wont affect where you work although the 10year rule still applies for DWS. I hope this helps.

shylet.

[Emma2]

Thanks for that Shylet, that puts my mind at rest. Luckily my hubby ia a FRACGP.

 

Emma x

[tonyman]

oh my goodness, so much info in this thread for a newcomer to follow!

 

i'm a paeds ICU doc, have got a job lined up for 2012 in Sydney.

 

Once my AMC stuff cmes through (fingers crossed) and I have to apply for a visa... does anyone have any advice about WHICH visa to apply for? Cos from the sounds of things, there are several to choose from. We're only planning to go for 1 year, then have to come back and finish trainng etc.

 

Thanks helpful people :biggrin:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKMy15O1tCw&feature=related

 

hope this helps...........:wink:

[Guest Daniel and Emma]

Hi Shylet,

 

I was just wondering how long it took for your ENS121 visa to be sorted? We are trying to decide if the 457 or ENS visa would be best for us, but the recruitment agency are really pushing towards the 457, saying that the ENS 121 visa takes a lot longer.

 

Thanks for your information about the jobs and changing from 457 to PR - it was very useful!

 

thanks again,

 

Emma

[Petals]

Theres been several cases with practices that i'm dealing with where they've had a UK doctor on board with a 457 number and the second they apply for PR their provider number gets revoked and they have to work in the bush. It is a stupid law and is really putting good quality doctors from other developed countries off the idea of coming to Australia.

 

Occassionally you can get exemption but as with everything here there is reams of paperwork none of which is logical or makes sense.

 

Have a look on DoctorConnect - Home page and look at the RRMA ratings on the map, As a non Australian doctor you will need RRMA3 and a DWS in order to work with PR,

 

Crazy, Stupid, Discriminatory, illogical and stupid but hey thats Australia

 

Your best bet would be to come over on a 457 and try and find work in one of the new poly clinics as medicare exemptions are easier to obtain due to the government wanting to prevent themselves looking silly by building all these new centres but having no doctors to work in them. You will then be able to work in a metropolitan area,

 

Its worth noting that the 10 year moratorium starts either when you first get registration in Australia or when you become a Permanent resident which ever is the latter.

 

Another good website for doctors is AustralianIMG.com The owner Dr Levy is a pommy doctor and is very involved with trying to get the Moratorium lifted, He also gives excellent advice and has published on his site several reviews of his locum experiences at various hospitals.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Not a doctor but am an Aus and this post got up my nose this morning, its not stupid or illogical to expect doctors to work in remote areas or country areas, that is where Australia has most demand for extra medical practitioners. The farming and mining communities need doctors and as they provide the standard of living for this country, the government is trying to look after them.

 

Its not about getting more doctors in areas with good schooling and fab lifestyles, its about getting doctors where they are needed here in Aus.

 

Hate to that agency people are calling good policy illogical.

[chalkyhill]

I think it is sensible to have doctors work in the bush for a while - but ten years is a bit much.

[whoiam]

Hi just trying to revive this thread. Me and my husband are planning on heading out next year. He is a GP. Would like to hear from fellow medics already out there and those going through the same now.I'm sure there are many on PIO. This is such an amazing site.

Are there any doctors who have made it across on the ENS 121?

[Guest man2010]

Hi just trying to revive this thread. Me and my husband are planning on heading out next year. He is a GP. Would like to hear from fellow medics already out there and those going through the same now.I'm sure there are many on PIO. This is such an amazing site.

Are there any doctors who have made it across on the ENS 121?

 

Hi there,

Yes I came on ENS 121 a year ago.what information would you like to know?

[whoiam]

Hi Man 2010,

Nice to see you here. Hope you are enjoying australia. We are just starting our process and have started the AMC work.

Was confused as to what we should consider as eligibility for ENS121. I dont know if any employer would state a salary of 250000. Then the other criteria is 3 years exp. Did you have 3 years exp after GP training? Or is it 3 years after med school?My hubby has only 2 years after GP training, but would be ok if it was after med. school.

Also wondering whether we need a Migration agent in australia and how to go about the actual visa application.

Any advice /pointers you could give we be much appreciated!

[whoiam]

Really hoping to hear from you Man2010.

[Guest RickandVik]

Hi Whoiam

 

My wife and I am in the same position, she is a GP Partner but only been qualified as a GP for 2 1/2 years, prior to that she was a General Surgeon, we are going to Oz on her skills and have been in contact with many agencies regarding jobs - she is in negotiation with a large medical company over a GP position and they are offering her a 5 year contract on a 457 visa with a large sign on fee which will help with relocation expenses,,,,,,but we to are trying to weigh up the pro's and con's of the different visa's.

 

Rick

[whoiam]

Hi Rick,

Hope the negotiations are going well. Just make sure the working environment and colleagues are a good bunch before committing to 5 years.

Its tricky trying to decide on the visa--especially as the rules aren't all that very clear. One positive of the 457 is that if you are not staying there permanently you can get the superann contributions back when you return to the UK. There is just so much to weigh and decide.Whereabouts are you guys looking to move to? We are moving to sydney.

[Guest RickandVik]

We are wanting to go to Adelaide and we want to make the move permanent as there are just the 2 of us we see no need in returning to the UK.

[whoiam]

We are wanting to go to Adelaide and we want to make the move permanent as there are just the 2 of us we see no need in returning to the UK.

Since the move is definitely permanent it helps the decision making I guess. All the best and keep us posted.

[Love Shoes]

I am just wondering if there is a dentists thread anywhere please ? Or does anyone know of any dentists who have recently managed to penetrate through APHRA

Thanks

[whoiam]

Love shoes--just Pmed you back.

[brill]

Hi friends,

I want to go Aussie on 457 visa,have 19 years experience in General practice.I looked APHRA site for different pathways inorder to get registration but the one I am interested in Limited registration for Area of need/RACGP postgraduation training.so my qs. is that Can I exempt AMC part 1 and can go for limited registration with APHRA?

Secondly,best medical agency for getting job and sponsership?

What would be first step in 457 visa :getting a job or registering with APHRA?

Can temporary workers still get LAFHA?What is the maximum amount for 3 kids under age 10 and a couple?

and maximum amount for relocation package?

Wanna to hav idea before accepting job offer so your input would be appreciated and any advices for this visa...Please help, any advice is welcomed, as well as experiences..........................

Thanx for your time and efforts..............

[whoiam]

Hi friends,

I want to go Aussie on 457 visa,have 19 years experience in General practice.I looked APHRA site for different pathways inorder to get registration but the one I am interested in Limited registration for Area of need/RACGP postgraduation training.so my qs. is that Can I exempt AMC part 1 and can go for limited registration with APHRA?

Secondly,best medical agency for getting job and sponsership?

What would be first step in 457 visa :getting a job or registering with APHRA?

Can temporary workers still get LAFHA?What is the maximum amount for 3 kids under age 10 and a couple?

and maximum amount for relocation package?

Wanna to hav idea before accepting job offer so your input would be appreciated and any advices for this visa...Please help, any advice is welcomed, as well as experiences..........................

Thanx for your time and efforts..............

Hi Brill,

I think any medical recruitment agency would be able to clarify most of your doubts. You can always speak with different agencies and go with the one you feel best or who can offer you the best job.

I am not clear where you have been practicing and what your qualifications are. If you do not have an mrcgp then may be the route you chose would be ok. But if you7 do there is no need to go for limited reg.--you can get full reg.

Getting a job offer is essential and is needed prior to proceeding to AMC or APHRA etc The visa is usually the last in the chain of events as far as I understand .

[Palmyradebanks]

There is also AMA recruit - which is a branch of the AMC that acts as a recruitment agency. That way you can be more flexible as they sponsor you rather than a specific employer.

 

I am moving to Melbourne in May. I am in the process of AMC registration. I went with 2 agencies. Feel free to DM me if you want to know more.

 

Palmyra

[Guest lavache]

great thread, keep on.

[Guest Kate36]

Hi all,

 

I'm a GP who is moving to Mornington in May.

I have two children who will be about four and one by the time we emigrate. It would be great to have some contacts in Mornington before we arrive.

 

Also does anyone know if there are any new build estates / off plan properties in progress near to Mornington?

 

Many thanks,

 

Kate

[Livingston Family]

Hello everyone! Its great to finally find a thread with others going through the same thing as us.. I am hoping we can benefit from your experience here?

 

My husband is a GP and got a job at the end of last year at a practice about 25 mins out of Perth. He submitted his paperwork to the AMC January 2012.

 

It took several weeks for them to even start looking at it! However it is now being processed.... It is all pretty nail biting stuff! He gave in his notice here and is due to come out of his GP partnership (due to a long notice period) in may 2012.

 

He got the job through a recruitment consultant (EU health staff limited) who seem fairly confident that we will be on track to head over mid to late may... However I have noticed that for quite a few Docs on here the process seems to be a lengthy one! Are we living in dreamworld thinking that the AMC part of the process can be completed in a couple of months? He has MRCGP if this makes any difference?

 

What happens after the AMC registration? From what I understand two further government bodies need to see the paperwork before a Visa can be granted? Does anyone know how long each parts of the process take? The Visa that has been recommended is a 457 business visa. Does anyone have experience of how long it takes to get this organised after all the other parts have been sorted out?

 

Also I read on here about it being difficult to obtain PR if you go over on the 457 visa? I am a little confused about this. We are going to try it out for three years, which is the contract he has been offered. However if we LOVE it there and our daughter settles in well and we want to stay, what are our options? I am a city girl through and through, therefore I wouldn't cope with having to live in the sticks! I read on here about docs who wanted PR and had to do a long (10yr?!) period of working a long way from everything.

 

Any information would be gratefully received as I am feeling like our life isn't in our hands right now. I am trying to co-ordinate the biggest move of our life and it feels like we are just guessing when our departure date will be!!

 

Thank you very much :smile:

[Guest lavache]

I am also asking the same questions as my physician brother would like to work in Australia. but, if you please support me with other information :

1) Did your husband completed all AMC exams or just the first part which is AMC MCQ ?

2) You said He has MRCGP, Did he obtain this certificate from Australia or from another country ? and what does it mean MRCGP ?

3) He got the offer to work in Perth after AMC or with that MRCGP?

 

I know I really disturbing you with a lot of questions, but your reply will be appreciated. thanks in advance.

[Guest jaffas1]

Hello everyone! Its great to finally find a thread with others going through the same thing as us.. I am hoping we can benefit from your experience here?

 

My husband is a GP and got a job at the end of last year at a practice about 25 mins out of Perth. He submitted his paperwork to the AMC January 2012.

 

It took several weeks for them to even start looking at it! However it is now being processed.... It is all pretty nail biting stuff! He gave in his notice here and is due to come out of his GP partnership (due to a long notice period) in may 2012.

 

He got the job through a recruitment consultant (EU health staff limited) who seem fairly confident that we will be on track to head over mid to late may... However I have noticed that for quite a few Docs on here the process seems to be a lengthy one! Are we living in dreamworld thinking that the AMC part of the process can be completed in a couple of months? He has MRCGP if this makes any difference?

 

What happens after the AMC registration? From what I understand two further government bodies need to see the paperwork before a Visa can be granted? Does anyone know how long each parts of the process take? The Visa that has been recommended is a 457 business visa. Does anyone have experience of how long it takes to get this organised after all the other parts have been sorted out?

 

Also I read on here about it being difficult to obtain PR if you go over on the 457 visa? I am a little confused about this. We are going to try it out for three years, which is the contract he has been offered. However if we LOVE it there and our daughter settles in well and we want to stay, what are our options? I am a city girl through and through, therefore I wouldn't cope with having to live in the sticks! I read on here about docs who wanted PR and had to do a long (10yr?!) period of working a long way from everything.

 

Any information would be gratefully received as I am feeling like our life isn't in our hands right now. I am trying to co-ordinate the biggest move of our life and it feels like we are just guessing when our departure date will be!!

 

Thank you very much :smile:

 

Hi,

I just found this thread, didn't realise there are other medics on here. We have applied for a 175 visa on my husbands skills as a town planner and I am a GP. I'm hoping to be over in Melbourne in July, if all goes well with our visa. I have a DWS post lined up to start in August.

Livingston Family, In answer to your question he has to apply to AHPRA and to the RACGP as well. The AMC will automatically send off his paperwork to the RACGP if he has applied via the specialist pathway.

I would get his AHPRA application in now, as they can take ages to allocate a case officer. They however need the AMC to complete their process to grant a licence.

I'm currently waiting for the the AHPRA /RACGP to finish their process.

I'm not sure about the 457 and PR as am going to be a dependent on my husbands PR visa.

[whoiam]

Hi Livingstones, we are in a similar situation to u guys. My DH applied to amc mid dec. Haven't heard anything definite from them yet. Next as u know they send it to RACGP. After that AHpra. Our agents said that would possibly take us to early June. My advise would be to give a months buffer time in your plans from the proposed visa grant date.

With re. to visa is that you wouldn't have to be out in the sticks for 10 yrs. You could get your employer to sponsor you for an Ens visa. More on the Ens is available on the immi website. We are planning to go out on a Ens121 pr visa as our employer is happy to sponsor us and bcos that is what we want.

Keep us posted as to how you get along. There are very few doctor immigrations on here so it's good to find people in the same boat once in a while.