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thank you! I'll most likely take you up on that. It can feel like a bit of informatin overload!

 

just wanted to say welcome and wish you good luck! I am on the stage of visa application now, did/doing it all ourselves without any agent though I already got a job offer beforehand. We went out to NSW Australia (we had GP friends and other medical friends out there) for 2 weeks to check out the place last year and decided it was perfect for us and looked no further. More than happy to help if anything you wish to know/clarify because it can be a whole lot of information to digest on the web!

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Hi chris.I am a GP moving to Perth in 12 days! I used Head Medical as did friends of mine who have been in NSW for 9 mths and have found them to be great.I did go out to Perth in JAnuary to have a look round the practices and chose one based on this.Perth has a smaller DSW area so my job is 20 mins north of Perth( think quite tricky to be close to a city on East Coast). Process tedious but all fairly straighforward but then I did use an agency.If I can help with any queries especially when I get there let me know! Jan

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Hi Jan,

Thanks for that! Any tips you have about areas or practices to go for or avoid would be really useful. Does your place need an extra doc for a year by any chance?!

regards,

Chris

 

Hi chris.I am a GP moving to Perth in 12 days! I used Head Medical as did friends of mine who have been in NSW for 9 mths and have found them to be great.I did go out to Perth in JAnuary to have a look round the practices and chose one based on this.Perth has a smaller DSW area so my job is 20 mins north of Perth( think quite tricky to be close to a city on East Coast). Process tedious but all fairly straighforward but then I did use an agency.If I can help with any queries especially when I get there let me know! Jan

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Think they wanted female GP..but don't think you'll have problem finding a job.I also came up against minimum 2years on a 457 visa but decided to give it a go for that period.depends if you want to go for PR visa and more expense or just give it a go on a cheaper 457 with its restrictions.I didn't mind much about area where my job was but decided to put more time into where to live when jobs sorted.will see how I get on...Head Medical give good impartial advice but sure you could do it on your own

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Good advice, thanks. And good luck for a few days time!

 

Think they wanted female GP..but don't think you'll have problem finding a job.I also came up against minimum 2years on a 457 visa but decided to give it a go for that period.depends if you want to go for PR visa and more expense or just give it a go on a cheaper 457 with its restrictions.I didn't mind much about area where my job was but decided to put more time into where to live when jobs sorted.will see how I get on...Head Medical give good impartial advice but sure you could do it on your own

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BTW, it's worth noting that AHPRA have changed their system to a more "streamlined" one (I'll believe that when it happens). That means the "old" system of being on limited registration initially to then

move to General registration has been abolished in favour of provisional to general registration. This is supposed to reduce the to-and-fro you have to do with the AMC and this system is now in place

since July 2014. AHPRA being such brilliant organisers have apparently forgotten the existence of thousands of doctors still on the limited registration and have expunged all the forms required

to transit from limited to general registration. You have to email them to get the correct form (if you use the one on their website it will be rejected - if you call up, the person on the phone invariably

will not be aware of the old system - junior staff seem to man the phones - and just quote the website to you. You've got to almost be rude to explain to them that back in the stone ages of June 2014

there was a previous system in place that was called limited registration.).

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Hi Everyone,

I'm a GP and I'm looking to move to Australia at the end of 2015 with my family. We're currently looking at Perth, Adelaide, and Melbourne. We're also planning to only commit to 1 year at the moment, so possibly looking to do it ourselves rather than through an agency. It sounds like local knowledge is key, so are there any GPs out there already working in these areas who can offer some advice - nice areas to work, nice areas to live, maybe even some practices that might be worth emailing about a job etc.

Many thanks,

Dan

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Hi Dan.I came over from Bristol and have been working as GP in Perth for 3 months now.I chose Perth as DWS area much closer to city so I live 10 mins outside Perth and have an easy 25 min commute.City is lovely.We came on 457 and committed to 2 years initially.They are desperate for GPs here.I used head medical who really helped with process but I would have thought you could contact practices directly as lots of them in DWS need Doctors.I would recommend coming to have a look at any you commit to..I came out last jan before moving here in September.if I can help at all let me know, jan

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Good Morning everyone,

 

I'm a newbie here but have found information here very useful! I would really appreciate some advice.

 

I am a consultant Child Psychiatrist and am moving to Hervey Bay in QLD with the family. I've had my RANZCP and have sent in my AHPRA form to my agency for passing onto my employer. Anyone have recent experience in dealing with AHPRA? What are their timescales like? Also, I am going on a 457 visa, do I need to wait till the AHPRA application to have my medical done and apply for my visa? We are hoping to move in April to catch the post-easter school start. We do have sudden surges of anxiety from time to time re: the move, but I guess that's natural! Good to see that the vast majority of people have had positive experiences.

 

Thanks!

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Good Morning everyone,

 

I'm a newbie here but have found information here very useful! I would really appreciate some advice.

 

I am a consultant Child Psychiatrist and am moving to Hervey Bay in QLD with the family. I've had my RANZCP and have sent in my AHPRA form to my agency for passing onto my employer. Anyone have recent experience in dealing with AHPRA? What are their timescales like? Also, I am going on a 457 visa, do I need to wait till the AHPRA application to have my medical done and apply for my visa? We are hoping to move in April to catch the post-easter school start. We do have sudden surges of anxiety from time to time re: the move, but I guess that's natural! Good to see that the vast majority of people have had positive experiences.

 

Thanks!

 

Hello Archlever,

 

Welcome! Me and partner arrived in NSW about 3 weeks ago after a slightly eventful issues with AHPRA - though all sorted at the end thankfully. I don't think you need to wait for AHPRA's approval to start your visa application process, though I went 'by the book' in case at any point we got rejected and lose our money (bit pessimistic I know..).

 

Not sure about other's experiences but I applied mine in order they suggested on the AMC website, ie: 1) Applied to AMC (who automatically directed to RACGP) in March, granted FAEG FRACGP - took about 6 weeks 2) Sent sets of documents to AHPRA in June - granted after about 6 weeks but to our panic we were told we have to register in person within 3 months or we have to go through whole process again. No where in the official websites mentioned about the 3 months timeline at all ( we are aware of the RACGP/AMC 6 months thing). I have not even given my notice to quit work yet as was told not to do so until visa granted! (which makes sense). Anyways managed to get AHPRA to extend it for further 6 weeks. 3) Started applying for 457 visa soon after AHPRA granted, only to find out my employer has not even got their business sponsorship sorted out yet (!), so could not proceed online application without TRN number. So do check your prospective employer already has at least the TRN number when you started the process. It took 6 weeks to get the sponsorhip approved (TRN number do come much earlier though so you could start the process while employer is applying).

 

I contacted AHPRA whilst awaiting our visa 2 weeks before the end of October deadline explaining the possible delay with the visa - got a response asking how long extension I needed for- replied then heard nothing. Passed deadline date I rung again and spoke to some guy in AHPRA who told me that further extension is not likely possible and I have to go through the whole process again! I explained that the only thing holding was the visa which is out of my control, and to my dismay AHPRA could have responded to me sooner after my last email. *grunts*

 

Nevertheless the same night, at 2am we got emails stated visa granted finally (took just over 7 weeks from when we lodged the application), so a long essay of email sent to AHPRA begging for further extension so we can finally book our flights, get the house rental in order etc - granted (the lady in AHPRA who has been on the case is pretty helpful I must say). So we flew out 2 weeks after. And celebrated our first Xmas and New Year in the sun!

 

Good luck. PM me if anything you may wish to know further.

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Thanks Eggy! You've had an interesting time with your visa and AHPRA to say the least! But it's reassuring to know that I seem to be following the right process...

My application should be with AHPRA today and I've finished my RANZCP and AMC. I've also had my visa medical upfront through My health declarations yesterday. So, I'll apply for my 457 visa next week. I did check with my employer and they seem to have the business sponsorship sorted and I have a TRN. I'm currently in a locum post and have told my employer that I'd probably stop work around end of February (barring any surprises in the process). We are planning to fly out in early April so will be good to have a couple of weeks "rest" then get stuck into the moving process (renting house, booking flights, saying goodbyes etc). Also am waiting till the end of this month to tell our lil ones. The younger (3 and a half) should be ok, our 7 year old will need prep as he loves his school and has lots of good friends here! Hopefully we can get him excited eventually about the move!

 

I might take you up on the offer of help when I come to booking removals, renting out etc!

 

Thank again!

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Hi archlever (and others!) I have a job offer as a consultant psychiatrist in WA so I am at the very beginning of the whole AMC/RANZCP/AHPRA process.

 

I would be really interested to hear how you found the whole process with the RANZCP. Did you go down the Substantial Comparability pathway and did you have a video-conferece assessment? And does it really cost $5000?! All info very gratefully received. The paperwork is looking very daunting at present!

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Hi Janh, I seem to remember seeing your OH is a psychiatrist in WA? I have a job offer as a consultant and we are hoping to move later this year. I wondered if, as a veteran of the process, he might share any advice on the RANZCP process. I am looking at the substantial comparability pathway which is looking very expensive and bureaucratic!

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Guest Nicky Head Medical

Hello Man2010

My name is Nicky and I head up the GP recruitment team here at Head Medical. We are a UK based specialist recruitment agency, helping doctors find their dream jobs in Australia. I have helped hundreds of GPs relocate to Australia.

I would be more than happy to have a chat with you regarding jobs throughout the country and answer any specific questions you have regarding the medical registration process? http://www.headmedical.com

Look forward to hearing from you.

Nicky Gregory

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Hi there, I am med school graduate who has completed master of public health from australia. now i am willing to get myself assessed under general occupation from vetassess. i figured out that i can nominate my self under medical administrator or primary health organisation manager. currently i am working at a specialist clinic and my job description is medical administrator/ technician. My query is under this situation can i get myself assessed as medical administration for migration purpose. additioanlly i completed my med school from china and have verified my degree by AMC will this work for the VETASSESS OR DO I NEED TO DO IT AGAIN BY VETASSESS. THANK YOU

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Hi everyone,

 

I am John from Malaysia and I plan to relocate to Australia next year to work as a GP. One of my concerns is that I have very little experience in skin cancers (and also the premalignant lesions); we simply do not see many skin cancers in primary care in Malaysia and all suspicious lesions go straight to the dermatologists. I do not intend to work in skin cancer clinics but I understand that skin checks/skin cancers form a significant part of general practice in Australia.

 

Are there courses or degrees out there that you would recommend? I googled and found courses at University of Queensland and at Skin Cancer College Australasia. Has anyone done courses at these institutions? Will appreciate your advice.

 

John

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Hi John

there are plenty of courses to help you. As a matter of chance I am doing a very good course run by Monash University this weekend. They run this course every year twice and it's better value for money than Queensland . I have come all the way from Queensland to do this course.

good luck in your move

geetika

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

I am John from Malaysia and I plan to relocate to Australia next year to work as a GP. One of my concerns is that I have very little experience in skin cancers (and also the premalignant lesions); we simply do not see many skin cancers in primary care in Malaysia and all suspicious lesions go straight to the dermatologists. I do not intend to work in skin cancer clinics but I understand that skin checks/skin cancers form a significant part of general practice in Australia.

 

Are there courses or degrees out there that you would recommend? I googled and found courses at University of Queensland and at Skin Cancer College Australasia. Has anyone done courses at these institutions? Will appreciate your advice.

 

John

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Hi Geetika,

 

Thanks for the advice! I have had a look at the Monash course website and it looks great with fantastic reviews. Will definitely consider it.

 

(For those of you who are interested, you can check out http://www.med.monash.edu.au/general-practice/news/skin-cancer-workshop-2015.html)

 

Regards, John

 

 

Hi John

there are plenty of courses to help you. As a matter of chance I am doing a very good course run by Monash University this weekend. They run this course every year twice and it's better value for money than Queensland . I have come all the way from Queensland to do this course.

good luck in your move

geetika

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Morning all. The family and I are making the move to Aus in 2016. I am a Partner in a UK general practice. Those of you already out there .... is there anything that I need to brush up on that GPs do in Australia that aren't routine GP work in the UK e.g. because they are more commonly done by nurse practitioners or secondary care? 6 months and counting ... although I am passionate about the NHS, I feel ready for a break from it!

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Hello. I am a GP and moved here just over a year ago.A lot of the work is the same but easier with less demands on time and a fraction of the paperwork.The billing takes some getting used to but your colleagues can help with that.The GPs I work with do stitching and lots of minor surgery which I don't do.i have just done a skin cancer course to learn how to do dermoscopy which is a pretty essential skill here.If you a working in a practice with other GPs dont stress about it..just come over and then see what skills you want to brush up on.My colleagues seem happy enough to do the minor surgery stuff and just ask about skin lesions till you get used to it. You may be lucky and have a mole clinic attached or nearby. It's worth the effort to move.I too felt sad about abandoning the NHS but found it almost impossible to keep working in it. If you have any questions just ask

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Thanks Janh, that's reassuring. I assume that GPs in Aus do their own insulin starts, warfarin dosing etc which, certainly due to our nurse practitioners and secondary care team I have become a bit rusty at? Aside of minor ops are there any procedural things you do in Aus that you didn't have to do in the UK - smears come to mind? Out of interest what is the cost of MPS in Aus and are there any other on costs to consider? Where do you base yourself? Sorry for all the questions! Best wishes, Stu

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Question on Medical Indemnity Cover:

 

Hi everyone, I will be heading out to QLD next year as a GP. I am looking at medical indemnity subscriptions and have received a quote of around AUD 5K for 12 months medical indemnity subscription as a non-procedural GP. It seems quite hefty. Are there significant differences, especially in terms of cost and extent of cover, between the major companies such as MIPS, Avant, MDA etc? Apparently, companies in Australia offer only claims-based cover and not occurrence-based cover. Regards, John.

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I am new to PIO and i have found it helpful but i would like specific info for doctors,cos things work quite differently in oz. I am a GP,my husband a banker, 2 children a 7year old and 3 months old.I am applying for ENS 121 hoping to move to melbourne.

I will appreciate if doctors both in uk and oz can help (or from anywhere!)

No knowledge of work as a GP, but long standing Aussie friend of the family in Melbourne was a GP and what I picked up was that he worked in a partnership in his final years after being a sole practitioner, he was pressured by the bureaucracy to be in a partnership with other doctors, in his first one he was overworked as he was the junior partner and in his second where he put money into the partnership he found again that the senior partner was trying to sell his majority holding in the partnership without letting my friend know, there seemed to be lot of scheming going on in the background.

Also there were reports in the press whilst I was there about GP's being tied contractually to a very large scale dodgy firm that seemed to be running some form of scam which limited their income whilst getting the most work out of them, I'm sure there were reports in the Sydney Morning Herald in 2012/13.

What I'm trying to warn is that the medical world in Aus is much more a commercial exercise than ever it is in the UK and you have to use as much business savvy as medical knowledge because it is much more a business than curing patients, I would really recommend you get local legal advice from someone familiar with the field before you sign up with anyone.

Sorry only just realised this thread is old and has been running for years.

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Hi John

 

It does seem a bit high though I'm not surprised given the difference between quotes from different indemnity insurers. Which company you got this quote from?

 

I'm with MDANational who at the time when I first came to Aus and looked at the quotes gave me the most reasonable one. Ofcourse it depends on your gross earnings and the quote increases the more you earn per year. As a new start GP I think you would be in the middle to low bracket of earnings. One can always adjust the gross earnings level with Insurers once it's felt that one's earning will surpass their tier level threshold.

 

MDANaTIONAL were quite helpful in giving me info about which level to choose. You can defer this process till you come to Aus as you'll have to wait for your 'provider number' to come through from Medicare first which can take weeks, so you'll have ample time to arrange indemnity cover etc.

 

Take care and all the best

 

Yasir

 

Question on Medical Indemnity Cover:

 

Hi everyone, I will be heading out to QLD next year as a GP. I am looking at medical indemnity subscriptions and have received a quote of around AUD 5K for 12 months medical indemnity subscription as a non-procedural GP. It seems quite hefty. Are there significant differences, especially in terms of cost and extent of cover, between the major companies such as MIPS, Avant, MDA etc? Apparently, companies in Australia offer only claims-based cover and not occurrence-based cover. Regards, John.

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Thanks Janh, that's reassuring. I assume that GPs in Aus do their own insulin starts, warfarin dosing etc which, certainly due to our nurse practitioners and secondary care team I have become a bit rusty at? Aside of minor ops are there any procedural things you do in Aus that you didn't have to do in the UK - smears come to mind? Out of interest what is the cost of MPS in Aus and are there any other on costs to consider? Where do you base yourself? Sorry for all the questions! Best wishes, Stu

Hello sorry for delay in replying-don't come on here much(do PM me if easier)

I was worried about insulin starts but certainly haven't seen GPs doing that.They do near patient warfarin testing but it is pretty easy-pop in treatment room and guess the next dose! I have been doing loads of smears and had to quickly remember how to do them-that's because I am female i guess. The male GPs tend to hand them to me.I am with MIPS and non procedural I pay about 220 dollars a mth.I was paying £650 in UK.I am in Perth-ask me anything else-happy to help

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