shefftosyd Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Thanks Seabreeze99. May be its taking longer these days due to more n more people applying.. The agency thru which I got the job offer said minimum 6m for whole process. Do you already have a job offer n do u mind sharing where u r going n provisional start date. Don't have to share exact suburb. My offer is in Sydney suburbs, provisional start date Jan'14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I am heading to Queensland and should start work in Jan 2014. It is interesting that you asked about 457 versus 189 visa pathways. I asked this question in an earlier post and received great advice. Given the tight timeline, 457 seems more feasible for me. All the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiveringpom Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 iam a british gp, prev worked on 457 and now going back on 189 PR visa 189 is easy to do yourself providing u are registered with aphra and up to date in all payments for them and racgp etc etc, visa just been granted this week! u dont need a job offer either so means u can go anywhere! 10 year moratorium is from the date u first ever registered as a doctor in oz.....if u have worked there already u may be out of this 10yr rule wrt inner city work so do check before u accept a DWS post..... came back as i missed family but going back out now as realised nhs is no better ( again! ) but weather is better! x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Hi Shefftosyd, Yes I have been advised to allow 6 months for paperwork to go through. My agent advised - AMC 6-8 weeks at least, RACGP 2-4 weeks at least, AHPRA 1-2 weeks at least and finally DIAC 2-4 weeks at least. These I was told were best case scenarios, which is not the rule as clearly you've found out already if your AMC paperwork is already 9 weeks in. I am going to be sending off my paperwork in the next week or so to the AMC. I have a job in Newcastle starting Jan/Feb 2014. It would be both good to keep up to date with progress with you and seabreeze. Shiveringpom - yes the NHS doesn't get any better sadly! Where are you heading back to? With best wishes, Stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 iam a british gp, prev worked on 457 and now going back on 189 PR visa189 is easy to do yourself providing u are registered with aphra and up to date in all payments for them and racgp etc etc, visa just been granted this week! u dont need a job offer either so means u can go anywhere! 10 year moratorium is from the date u first ever registered as a doctor in oz.....if u have worked there already u may be out of this 10yr rule wrt inner city work so do check before u accept a DWS post..... came back as i missed family but going back out now as realised nhs is no better ( again! ) but weather is better! x Shiveringpom - as a matter of interest; when you were in Aus before was there anything from a skills perspective you wished you'd done prior to leaving the UK that would be useful in Aus? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seabreeze99 Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Hi Stu, ShefftoSyd, I think this a great resource to get an overview of GP consultations in Australia. http://sydney.edu.au/medicine/fmrc/beach/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drstu Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Thanks seabreeze for the link, very interesting. I have been wondering what additional skills I need to brush up on/develop. For instance is being able to do minor surgery and joint injections a must? Do GPs in Aus do all insulin initiations, or are there still nurse practitioners that do this due to time? Is all warfarin initiation and dosing down to GPs? In the UK we are quite supported in many ways with nurse specialists/community services. Is this the case in Aus, or does the GP do everything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shefftosyd Posted August 14, 2013 Share Posted August 14, 2013 Thank you for the info Seabreeze, interested to know info about drstu's queries regarding allied health professionals in GP setting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovingOzDoc Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm guilty of being a 'lurker' for some time - and really appreciated all the advice and discussion on this site.Thanks Guys! I moved to SA last year and am a GP for the last 15 years. Have joined a fantastic practice by the sea and am on a 457 visa but self- employed. I'm in a mixed billing practice and pay the practice a % back of my medicare billing each month. My question regards application for PR. Am I correct in saying that you have to be an employee of a practice to apply for a 186/187 ( and not a self-employed contractor) and then stay as an employee of that practice for 2 years after the PR is granted? If that is the case I would have to change status from self-employed to employed for some time if I applied in that stream. I'm also considering the option of applying for 189/190 - any idea on the time that visa takes to process ?- I'm lead to believe it takes a long time. Thanks S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiveringpom Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 sorry taken so long to reply to few queries wrt skills as a gp out there i was in a big outer metro clinic and we dealt with xraying fractures/suturing and wound care /plaster casting by nurses /eye fb removal most weeks...if u have done AE u should be fine, if not check your clinics 'walk in policy' .....find out what your treatment room gets to deal with ..... i had an almost unresponsive anaphylaxis one day stagger in.... check how far u r from an AE and check nurses duties/what is expected of you...work within your own limits and dont take chances i say but if u r very rural then ensure u can manage everything that walks thro the door and check what is available for u in crisis if rural! to make more cash u need to do minor ops and skin cancer work.....u can get trained out there but u will have to pay for it i do coils and implants the more u see the more cash u make but be careful not to overwork or be 'put on' i saw between 30-40 a day with 1/2hr break so intensity of day is different as no home visits or paperwork. i heard of doctors seeing 60+ but this is madness !!!..... yes if u dont work u dont get paid and this is different to uk for most of us as partners or salaried doctors so holidays/pensions/study leave all have to be factored in to earnings and of course indemnity/insurances etc do call up and speak with a gp already in the practice about a typical day i sat in with a gp when i arrived i got a good practice and the manager and nursing staff were excellent but have heard of some 'interesting ' ones! skills i wish i had/still to get....bloody insulin start up regimes.....u will be expected to do this in most practices but i was lucky and a gp in the practice ejoyed this work so i passed my patients on.....again this is due to PN here in UK doing a lot of diabetic stuff for us now meaning a standard gp can feel de-skilled here..... i did have to change my way of thinking a little wrt medicine, more freedom wrt tests/medicines/care options , patients = money aswell as healthcare and if they dont like you they will walk nextdoor, holistic medicine is used more , patients may have not just u as there gp but often 1-3 gps on the go at any one time...... theres lots thats similar but also lots thats different, i tried to practice within my nhs way of thinking mostly but u will adapt and i certainly didnt do anything i didnt agree with and certainly there was some requests for tests/meds/referrals that were a tad odd!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I'm guilty of being a 'lurker' for some time - and really appreciated all the advice and discussion on this site.Thanks Guys!I moved to SA last year and am a GP for the last 15 years. Have joined a fantastic practice by the sea and am on a 457 visa but self- employed. I'm in a mixed billing practice and pay the practice a % back of my medicare billing each month. My question regards application for PR. Am I correct in saying that you have to be an employee of a practice to apply for a 186/187 ( and not a self-employed contractor) and then stay as an employee of that practice for 2 years after the PR is granted? If that is the case I would have to change status from self-employed to employed for some time if I applied in that stream. I'm also considering the option of applying for 189/190 - any idea on the time that visa takes to process ?- I'm lead to believe it takes a long time. Thanks S Your contract sounds similar to my wife's. If so, no, you don't have to change your contract, and you don't have to stay with your surgery for two years. We came out on a 457 a year ago, and around the time we arrived my wife's surgery applied for the 186 for us. We submitted our paperwork (without a migration agent) in October 2012, and got the grant of a 186 in March this year. I think it may even be quicker now, and more so if you use an agent. There is no requirement to stay with my wife's surgery, but from what others have said there may be a problem if she was to leave very soon after the grant of the visa. Well worth going for PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiveringpom Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 cant comment wrt 186 above but just got a 189 PR visa straight forward application done on our own without any sponsorship/jobs needed from uk can work anywhere in any state now check your '10 yr moratorium' status tho wrt rules where u can then apply for a job etc etc should have applied yrs ago for this!!!! took us 6/12 however we got lost between the uk system and oz system and only because we chased it up as heard nothing for months after lodging did we get 'found' with other 'lost visa' applications ...then it all went super quick! get a good accountant who is used to dealing with gp's for lots of tips/advice wrt work/tax/uk cash issues etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovingOzDoc Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Thanks for the replies - have booked a one off appointment with a migration agent for advice next week - so I post again after this. I'm feeling a bit more confident now especially after hearing about your 186 Dorset and the 189 shiveringpom. I may pm you guys again next week if you don't mind - if I'm none the wiser. S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi all. I am a doctor based in UK. and i am looking to move to Aus. I have completed 4.5 yrs of training in surgery/ A&E. can i have some advice on where i should be looking for jobs? I tried a few recruitment agencies, but as i am not a GP or a specialist yet, its proving challenging. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiveringpom Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Not sure if you would be eligible via aphra to get specialist registration.... are u a consultant yet? if not u may need to take a middle grade post in a hospital then look at transferring your training out to oz / start again in oz surgical system...... iam a GP so unsure really. i have used recruitment agencies on/ off several times as they really help you with aphra and visa application but again depends what u r looking for etc or go direct thro a hospital is the other option...... have u spoken with aphra ? Looking at more sabbatical or your year overseas at the end of your SPR training before your final exams/ getting consultancy?.....or total redirection....... x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 Hi shiveringpom. I am not eligible for specialist registration. Although my training so far has been surgical, i now want to be a GP in Aus. I was wandering how i can go about starting training as GP in Aus? I am eligible to register to AMC via the competent authority pathway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted January 22, 2014 Share Posted January 22, 2014 I recommend you have a look at this website http://www.doctorconnect.gov.au/ and then perhaps contact one of the rural doctors networks to see what they suggest. For example, the NSW rural doctors network is http://www.nswrdn.com.au/site/index.cfm All the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 cheers for that. managed to have a look but seems like i am not eligible to apply direct to a training post without permanent residency. I have managed to get my self a telephone interview for a ED reg job in Hervey bay... any thoughts on Hervey bay hospital and surroundings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted January 24, 2014 Share Posted January 24, 2014 Romess I can't recommend enough that you have a chat to one of the people at the rural doctors networks. One of their jobs is to help surgeries in rural areas find GPs, and will know all the routes through, and whether there are any that would suit your situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Thanks for your help. I have been offered an ED PHO?/Registrar job in Hervey Bay and i have decided to accept. Now have to wait around for all the paperwork to get sorted. The job was obtained via internationalmedicalrecruitment.com agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxymore Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 cheers for that. managed to have a look but seems like i am not eligible to apply direct to a training post without permanent residency. I have managed to get my self a telephone interview for a ED reg job in Hervey bay... any thoughts on Hervey bay hospital and surroundings? It's rural.. but I've never been here. Heard its' quite pretty though. Hard to get a job in central Brisbane these days unless you go directly through the hospital instead of an agency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 If you like the outdoors then it is one of the loveliest parts of Australia. My family love going to Fraser Island from Hervey Bay. If you like bright lights and night clubs ....then it probably isn't for you. Expect a lot of transient tourists, particularly in whale watching season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted February 3, 2014 Share Posted February 3, 2014 It's rural.. but I've never been here. Heard its' quite pretty though. Hard to get a job in central Brisbane these days unless you go directly through the hospital instead of an agency ahh...i like both the outdoor and also the night life.. looks like i'll have to put up without wild night life for 12 months... then once i get the full registration look for a job in a busy town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romess Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 How long does AMC actually take to process an application? I applied via the competent pathway online, then sent the requested documents to AMC via courier. I received an email last week informing they have received the requested documents. Just wandering about the time frame for Advance standing certificate to be issued as i have to give 3 month notice to my current job to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikopol Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 How long does AMC actually take to process an application? I applied via the competent pathway online, then sent the requested documents to AMC via courier. I received an email last week informing they have received the requested documents. Just wandering about the time frame for Advance standing certificate to be issued as i have to give 3 month notice to my current job to leave. Takes a rather long time - I'd say 3 months is around the correct amount of time. They'll give you dribs and drabs of information as you go along away including sending stuff off to the US (!) for checking if your UK diploma is a bona fide or not etc etc. Somewhere along the line they'll tell you ok - you can talk to AHPRA now and there the fun begins with pretty much the same process (basically they seem to unlike the UK be split between the AMC (GMC) and AHPRA (which also does GMC stuff but also registers nurses, psychologists, practitioners of Chinese medicine, osteopaths etc etc). AHPRA will not under any circumstances return any original documents (even if they say they will, they won't so be warned!). Think Terry Gilliam's Brazil and then some - I really felt sorry for those who weren't coming from a recognised country by the AMC because it was pretty epic for me. Then again, I stayed with a mate for 3 weeks in Bondi so it wasn't too bad but if you're not near Sydney you'll have to go there in person to show your face. Another thing: you can use the chip passport entry into Ausralia - it saves time but DON'T do it. They don't stamp you passport (it's electronic so there's no point) but then AHPRA rely on that to prove you've just arrived in the country within the last few weeks. They had obviously never been confronted with a situation with someone with no visa stamp so that made my life a lot more complicated. Then the bank - Westpac - did the same thing with the passport etc etc etc. Needless to say, I regret ever having used that swift passage. You will need to bring with you full proof of vaccinations for your entire life so get a copy from Occ Health if you can (I didn't so that delayed things) - my hospitals OH wouldn't give me vaccinations until I was fully employed so I had to get a new MMR and proof of mumps (IIRC?) serology from my local GP. That all ended up costing a fair amount which could have been easily avoided if I'd been a bit more organised. Once you're here, it's all pretty good. I'm working in ED and the hours and the stress levels are like being on a holiday. I can take leave quite easily, if I don't have enough days of leave I can add some unpaid leave without any worries. It is all worth it. I guarantee it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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