CharmedP3 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 OK,really bad news for pre sept 09 apps - it really stinks ( however please remember there maybe place left!! so keep the faith). This could be good news for existing cat 5 applicants as new applicants should be frozen due to lack of MODL points and suspension of the SOL till April, I assume this will hit New CSL Applications in the short term. Thus Existing Cat 5`s will be top of the tree for a few weeks. I presume you mean SEP 07 apps or have missed something very very bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bebac30 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Have anyone read when will be state migration plan released? I am not sure whether i miss someting or they haven`t said jet. But old sept. cat5 will be either in cat2 or cat5 but both have priority processing, right? What do you thing will new state migration plan contain of all occupations in demand for that state by limited number or it will be just certain occupation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graemsay Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 John (Mr_Luvpants), the DIAC document states that applications in the pipeline will continue to be treated in the same way as before. Given you're running a CSL application, I'd guess that you'll be assigned a CO within the next six weeks. The State Migration Plans are not in place yet, which suggests that they'll be a few weeks yet. Groovy, I think that the CSL remains in effect, but applicants will no longer get MODL points. In fact, I think that between October and January was a fantastic window of opportunity for CSL applicants. The September 23rd changes meant they got bumped up the queue, whilst the MODL points were still available. It's become more difficult today. Virtual_bajwa, you can re-apply. Hope things work out for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 09061986 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 The documents state that further changes will be made in 2010. At least for me (visa application lodged JUN09, SS non CSL) the most significant seem to be possible forthcoming changes to the points test and to the priority processing arrangements. I am APPALLED and cannot understand how can they continue to introduce changes that affect applicants who already lodged applications. I would expect these things to happen in HR countries like mine but would have never expected it from Australia. It seems Oz is a developed country with a GSM program managed by a minister from a banana republic, what a shame. All the best of luck for those still waiting and many thanks again for all those who contribute their thoughts and experience to this wonderful forum. Best, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest thescore Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Thanks very much. now lets see when this 'state migration plan' comes and what exactly it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest southerngent Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 I presume you mean SEP 07 apps or have missed something very very bad? oops sorry - edited:twitcy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capetosydney Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 It is 3 am in Oz, there will be much more information forthcoming and dissecting of announced changes from ‘usual suspects’, Gill, George Lombard, Jaime, Susan, ptlabs and all other most helpful migrating agents in a few hours time I suggest they brew a very strong cup of coffee; they are in for a ‘rude awakening’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottntina Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Im dying for someone to make sense of all this ??? Giving me a headache... One large glass of wine me thinks . lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grooovy Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 OK, checked MODL page on immi web site http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/skilled-occupations/occupations-in-demand.htmand seems to indicate that CSL and MODL points are frozen for pre 8th Feb applicant??? I'm not sure what happens with new applicants??:huh: Hmm... probably they will still have CSL priority (up to "mid-2010", which I think will be July, 1st) but not get additional "old-style" MODL points... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janice1uk Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Im dying for someone to make sense of all this ???Giving me a headache... One large glass of wine me thinks . lol Yes i agree i can not work this out Cat5 or Cat2. i will settle for a bottle of wine for now till it becomes clearer. Cheers . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hi All The people who will be hit hardest by today's announcement will be those whose applications will be capped and ceased. Those people will either have to abandon their thoughts of moving to Australia or they will have to start the whole application process again. The reason that the Minister has used 1st September 2007 is because all applications for offshore visas which were submitted up to and including on 31st August 2007 are the old visas (subclasses 136, 138. 49(5/6) etc - I don't know all the numbers and I don't really know how any of those visas worked either, but the Minister has decided to kill off whichever of the subclass numbers are the offshore visas. A lot of applicants will lose a LOT of money as a result, not to mention having wasted a HUGE amount of time putting up with the vagaries of the Aussie Government and their vascillating, dithering Minister for Immigration. The people who will be hit second hardest by the new rules will be those who were relying on the 15 MODL points because the main applicants are aged 40 or over. To these people, please remember that: 1. State sponsorship is worth an extra 10 points; and 2. Proficient English via doing well in the General IELTS is worth another 10 extra points. I think it will be possible to rescue quite a few of these applicants, thiough probbably not all of them. I think that the VET sector of the International Education industry will be very badly hit, with the closure of many private colleges and the loss of a lot of jobs in that industry. Many Aussie Citizens currently working in that industry are too old to re-train, so if I were them I wouldn't vote Labor in the forthcoming General Election. Some people who were planning to get Student Visas to go to Oz and to train there in the VET sector will decide not to bother to apply. That will hit a lot of the private VET colleges in the pocket and will force them to close down, I suspect. It will also hit the Australian Government Treasury where it hurts - in the pocket. I don't know whether it will be possible for International Students who have only just begun VET sector courses in Oz to get out of trouble. I think it will depend on whether it will be realistic for them to make GSM applications during 2012 at the latest. It might be possible but a lot of experts will have to do a lot of chewing about this. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rupani Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hi, I was waiting for announcement of some relaxation for accountants in IELTS score:biglaugh: but no luck. Do not u think the thread name has some mistake i.e. 8th Jan changes? All the best, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hi All Everyone who has applied for one of the new visas since 1st September 2007 willl be OK from the looks of things. In most cases their waiting time will be shortened by the use of the cap & cease provisions with earlier applications in their processing categories. The States will win as well because the new "State Migration Plans" (although none exist as yet) will give the States more flexibility to get the people that they need quickly, which the present arrangements do not particularly allow. There will definitely be some winners and some losers in today's announcements, I think. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taniaholmes Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hi All The people who will be hit hardest by today's announcement will be those whose applications will be capped and ceased. Those people will either have to abandon their thoughts of moving to Australia or they will have to start the whole application process again. The reason that the Minister has used 1st September 2007 is because all applications for offshore visas which were submitted up to and including on 31st August 2007 are the old visas (subclasses 136, 138. 49(5/6) etc - I don't know all the numbers and I don't really know how any of those visas worked either, but the Minister has decided to kill off whichever of the subclass numbers are the offshore visas. A lot of applicants will lose a LOT of money as a result, not to mention having wasted a HUGE amount of time putting up with the vagaries of the Aussie Government and their vascillating, dithering Minister for Immigration. The people who will be hit second hardest by the new rules will be those who were relying on the 15 MODL points because the main applicants are aged 40 or over. To these people, please remember that: 1. State sponsorship is worth an extra 10 points; and 2. Proficient English via doing well in the General IELTS is worth another 10 extra points. I think it will be possible to rescue quite a few of these applicants, thiough probbably not all of them. I think that the VET sector of the International Education industry will be very badly hit, with the closure of many private colleges and the loss of a lot of jobs in that industry. Many Aussie Citizens currently working in that industry are too old to re-train, so if I were them I wouldn't vote Labor in the forthcoming General Election. Some people who were planning to get Student Visas to go to Oz and to train there in the VET sector will decide not to bother to apply. That will hit a lot of the private VET colleges in the pocket and will force them to close down, I suspect. It will also hit the Australian Government Treasury where it hurts - in the pocket. I don't know whether it will be possible for International Students who have only just begun VET sector courses in Oz to get out of trouble. I think it will depend on whether it will be realistic for them to make GSM applications during 2012 at the latest. It might be possible but a lot of experts will have to do a lot of chewing about this. Cheers Gill Hi Gill so does this effect you if you was 39 when application was lodged and now 41 cheers Tania Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cartertucker Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Hi All Everyone who has applied for one of the new visas since 1st September 2007 willl be OK from the looks of things. In most cases their waiting time will be shortened by the use of the cap & cease provisions with earlier applications in their processing categories. The States will win as well because the new "State Migration Plans" (although none exist as yet) will give the States more flexibility to get the people that they need quickly, which the present arrangements do not particularly allow. There will definitely be some winners and some losers in today's announcements, I think. Cheers Gill Thankyou for your time in replying to this news.....It is much appreciated by all of us....:notworthy: I am really pleased to read that the states are going to get more say in who 'they need'.... But im left wondering if those that already have SS will be top of the queue, or will their be a new queue?.....:unsure: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest grooovy Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Gill, Thank you very much! Your comments are priceless as usual. So, the situation with applying "cap & cease" rule has negligible chances for those who applied after 1 Sept, 2007? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Louise1971 Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Yes i agree i can not work this out Cat5 or Cat2. i will settle for a bottle of wine for now till it becomes clearer. Cheers . Hi Reading http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/general-skilled-migration/pdf/priority-processing.pdf, it seems that all pre 8th Feb cat 5's will stay at cat 5 and not the cat 2. 'Q 9 What is a state migration plan? State migration plans are developed by state/territory governments and include occupations that are in demand in each individual state and territory. Each state migration plan is approved by the Minister for Immigration and Citizenship. As at 8 February 2010, the minister has not approved any state migration plans.' Also grabbing my attention was Q 11 My application does not fall into one of the priority categories. When can I expect to have my application finalised? If you are not nominated by a state or territory government in accordance with an approved state migration plan, or your nominated occupation is not on the CSL and you have applied for an offshore GSM visa or intend to apply for an offshore GSM visa, it is unlikely that your application will be finalised within three years of the date of the application. So at least another 12 month wait then!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Yes, Good bye for me and thousands like me who applied before the Sept 2007. Hi VB Today's news is worse than I could ever have imagined for some PiO members. Some time ago the present Minister said that he would only use the cap & terminate provisions in "exceptional circumstances." Nothing suddenly became "exceptional" in the late stages of 2009 apart from the man's sheer bloody impatience, in my view. For you, another application may become possible because I know that you are family sponsored, so you do have close family in Oz. I also think that lawyers like Nigel Dobbie will be instructed to have a very close look at the legal position, to see whether Nigel or one of the others can take an "example" client to the Federal Magistrates Court under Immi Law, or possibly to the High Court under constitutional law. Hitherto Nigel and the others seem to have used one client as an example but a class action might be possible instead. Nigel and the other Accredited Specialists in Immi Law (some of whom, like Nigel, are born litigators) will look very closely at exactly how the Minister plays this game and if the Minister makes a single procedural error, the lawyers will get him, for sure. So all may not be lost. It is lost for today but today is only one battle in the whole war. The war itself is not over, for sure. Hugs :hug: Gill xx (PS - I am FEMALE, before anybody wonders!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest izephyr Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 The Same OLD Stuff (I think you'd agree to be 'almost' the same). Sorry for those who applied before Sept 2007. But luck is not even following the rest, except the Minister. And yes Gill I agree, thanks him for the PROMPT action. The website's been published at a lightening fast speed! and really did not struck our head again!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markntracey Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 :biglaugh:(PS - I am FEMALE, before anybody wonders!!!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 Truely feel sorry for peeps that are going to be affected by this.My heart goes out to you. From a "selfish" point of view, I dont think we personally are going to be affected. we lodged on the 8th Jan 2010, Nurse csl and qld SS. We are still going to get PR straight away (unless I have missed something) and still cat 2 priority processing as the the regional state migration plans are not up and running yet. when they are we will go into cat 3 as the plans will become cat 2. I think I have read this correctly? JOHN Hi John At the very worst you will be in the new Cat 3. However I also think it is very likely that Nurses will be on every State & Territory's new "State Migration Plan" and that the Minister will positively encourage the inclusion of nurses in these Plans. If I'm right then you will move up to Cat 2 and get processed really quickly, with immediate Permanent Residency. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest press Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 sympathies for those who applied before 2007 sept. Hey Gill, any predictions for cat 6 ppl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gollywobbler Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 virtual_bajwa, my deepest sympathies to you. So sad... I am wondering, what will be with IT applicants from CSL? Since MODL is cancelled, will they fall into CSL now or...? Any ideas? Hi grooovy You will remain in Cat 6 because your visa application has already been made. Where the visa application has been already made, the MODL will not disappear. Cheers Gill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 I'm gutted for anyone who applied before Sept 2007 - Virtual Bajwa maybe you can reapply?? Can anyone explain this: "This could be good news for existing cat 5 applicants as new applicants should be frozen due to lack of MODL points and suspension of the SOL till April" I assume (as I haven't yet applied for a visa) my potential points score is reduced by 15 points (after 8/02/10) you cannot claim your 15 points from the MODL as it doesn't exist anymore! Can anyone clarify ???? Cheers Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottntina Posted February 7, 2010 Share Posted February 7, 2010 so looks lke no change for cat 5 then... still 2012 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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