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Nurse (Band 7 in uk - whats the equivilant in aus)

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Guest Salix

Hi,

 

My family is seriously looking into moving to Perth (well Butler area) but i'm unsure what jobs/grade I should be looking into. Im currently a Band 7, community Matron / Advanced Nurse Practitioner, I have a few degrees, post grad and Masters and im a Registered General Nurse and Learning disability nurse trained and a nurse prescriber. I have the emergency and minor injury medical care (clinical Medicine Masters), I work with people with chronic health conditions/end of life and im also a registered nurse specialist in emergency care and primary care, Learning diability and Epilepsy. (I've been busy :) )

 

Do I have to start from scratch in aus?

Do I have to redo my specialist qualifications to be able to work as a practitioner in aus?

Do nurses prescribe in aus?

What is the wages for the grading that I could be applying for.

 

Im really confused and it all hinges on what my wage will be if we can actually do this as I have an elderly mother who I finacially support in the UK. I have googles like you would not believe but im not getting any where fast.

 

Thanks for your help in advance.

 

Sal:v_SPIN:

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Hi, I don't work in General so to be honest don't know if you'd have to re-do your speicality qualifications or do a short course for competencey e.g.

 

You may find it difficult to move right into an equivelent position and there is a possibility that you may have to go back on the wards if that's were the jobs are. The equivelent of Band 7 will be SRN 3 positions they'll be advertised on the WA jobs website.


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Thank you so much, I knew it would be a little confusing to start with just didnt know where to start to be honest.

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Have a look at this web site Australian College of Nurse Practitioners- might give you an insight.

 

There is talk of allowing nurse practitiioners to prescribe but the docs are not keen on the idea here and I wonder if it will get off the ground.

 

Take for instance I go to the doc for my flu shot, the nurses in the practice draw up the flu shot and my doc comes and gives it to me. The docs like to keep their patients as the way they get their wage here is by having lots of appointments, no guaranteed list.

 

If I have minor things done at my docs, doc does it. Doc takes out the stitches etc. Nurse gets the things ready.


Petals

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Guest Salix

cool thanks has helped a bit :)

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There are areas where your skills would be recognised and you can come in at a level 3, probably close to your banding now. PM me if you'd like more details.

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Sorry to hijack your thread, but the issue of prescribing is interesting to me, can I ask the girls who are already out in Australia, are RN's allowed to prescribe one-off medications? I am used to being able to prescribe a first dose of paracetamol/ibuprofen, or a salbutamol nebuliser as part of Patient Group Directive if the kids are not already prescribed it and medical staff are not available.

 

Thanks (and apologies again for the hijack!)

 

Angela


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Arrived in Brisbane 6/2/11 :jiggy:

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Guest Salix

no worries, like you im really interested as i prescribe and want a real idea of what im about to get myself into.

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It is all a little confusing with all the levels, I think so far ive grasped that it goes in levels 1-5 then subset with in each level depending on your years service and education? so enrolled nurse then registered nurse, clinical nurse then specialist nurses? Or am i completely off track.

 

I have tried to run job searches to get a rough idea but dont seem to find job specifics ie what the roles entail, and wages per levels. I have looked at the wa site but this too is lacking in information.

 

I would be so greatful of some help if possible

 

 

Sal

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Ibuprofin and paracetamol can be bought over the counter here in Aus and so can ventolin inhalers.

 

I think if nurses are working in the outback they do a lot more than nurses who work in city locations. As I said before the docs have to protect their area and the Medical Association is very strong here in Australia.


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Thanks Petals, that makes sence.

 

Im just now trying to find out what kind of wage, job spec i can expect to have. I really like the idea of perth, all my friends live round that area so i wont be starting from scratch. Not sure if its better to get sponsored into a post or to go over and find one myself. Also unsure if they sponsor you at higher levels? ie level 2 or 3. Also if you are sponsored is there a clause that you have to stay with that sponsor for a set period?

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There are quite a few nursing professionals in Perth on the forum and I am sure that they will be able to help there. As you say you have friends in Perth can they make inquiries for you too


Petals

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I work in MH which may be different, but I don't know of many who have come over to take up a level 3 position as these are usually promotional.


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Ibuprofin and paracetamol can be bought over the counter here in Aus and so can ventolin inhalers.

 

But for me to give them to a patient on the ward they need to be prescribed, in the UK I can prescribe them as once off doses.

 

I have just had the opportunity to check this with a nurse who works on the ward that I have got a job in in Australia, and she says that I will not be able to do this, everything has to be prescribed by a doctor. That's about the only thing I'm going to miss from my current job!


Angela

Arrived in Brisbane 6/2/11 :jiggy:

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It is all a little confusing with all the levels, I think so far ive grasped that it goes in levels 1-5 then subset with in each level depending on your years service and education? so enrolled nurse then registered nurse, clinical nurse then specialist nurses? Or am i completely off track.

 

I have tried to run job searches to get a rough idea but dont seem to find job specifics ie what the roles entail, and wages per levels. I have looked at the wa site but this too is lacking in information.

 

I would be so greatful of some help if possible

 

 

Sal

 

Hi Sal,

 

i don't think you have to worry about the wage, we were in Perth in 2006 and the wage was at least equivalent to the uk and due to your experience you will be looking at about $70,000 dollars and it should be more now, which at 2 dollars to 1 pound is about 35,000 pounds. My wife Helen is a band 6 ward sister and she was happy with the wage in Australia. It might be interesting to find out if your pension comes out of this wage, like in the uk, or is it paid seperate by the hospital, which would give you alot more pay than back home, my wife pays 200 pounds per month super ann.

 

all the best jim.

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Guest Debbie Macfie

Hi Salix,

 

I am an Australian Nurse living in the UK, I work here as a Band 7 and the equiv in Oz would be level 3. Level 1 si equiv to Band 5, Level 2 Band 6 and Level 3 Band 7. Level 3's tend to be ward managers, CNS, Care Co-ordinators.

 

If you google rural and remote nursing jobs it will take you to a myriad of agencies, try medacs or Ranstad. Your best best is to register with an agency as they will guide you through the registration paperwork. APHRA is the nursing board that you need to register with http://www.ahpra.gov.au/

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/medical-practitioners/nurses.htm

http://www.anmac.org.au/

 

You should not need to retrain if you gained your qualification in the UK. British Nurses are in high demand and your biggest hoop to jump through will be the visa. Many hospitals offer sponsorship and that may be the way to get your foot in the door. You will find many hospitals will let nurses prescribe some medications as per hospital policy such as paracetamol and brufen. If you work in critical care or cardiology some hospitals will allow first dose of morphine in certain situations and the policies are pretty clear. WA would be better as there are isolation issues geograpically so clinical nurse skills are recognised with supported policies. Once settled look at doing a nurse practitioners course, as doctor numbers are on the decrease the use of nurse practitioners is becoming more widely accepted but Australia has a long way to go from a NP perspective.

 

If you look at the above website it will help, and you will need to redo all mandatory competencies which are the same as in the UK, but agencies can generally arrange these. Community is very different in Australia as it has the geographical changes. I would probably look at doing some ward based work if only for a couple of months to get your head around the way Australia does things and then make a move into the community. I think it will be much easier going from the UK systems to Australian systems rather than the other way around, and there does not tend to be the issue of postcode lottery.....the biggest issue in the community is access, which is related to geography. Look at WA health websites and organisations such as ST Lukes, Blue Nurses etc, these are mainstream community teams.

 

Hope this helps

 

Debs x

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Hi Salix,

 

I am an Australian Nurse living in the UK, I work here as a Band 7 and the equiv in Oz would be level 3. Level 1 si equiv to Band 5, Level 2 Band 6 and Level 3 Band 7. Level 3's tend to be ward managers, CNS, Care Co-ordinators.

 

If you google rural and remote nursing jobs it will take you to a myriad of agencies, try medacs or Ranstad. Your best best is to register with an agency as they will guide you through the registration paperwork. APHRA is the nursing board that you need to register with http://www.ahpra.gov.au/

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/skilled/medical-practitioners/nurses.htm

http://www.anmac.org.au/

 

You should not need to retrain if you gained your qualification in the UK. British Nurses are in high demand and your biggest hoop to jump through will be the visa. Many hospitals offer sponsorship and that may be the way to get your foot in the door. You will find many hospitals will let nurses prescribe some medications as per hospital policy such as paracetamol and brufen. If you work in critical care or cardiology some hospitals will allow first dose of morphine in certain situations and the policies are pretty clear. WA would be better as there are isolation issues geograpically so clinical nurse skills are recognised with supported policies. Once settled look at doing a nurse practitioners course, as doctor numbers are on the decrease the use of nurse practitioners is becoming more widely accepted but Australia has a long way to go from a NP perspective.

 

If you look at the above website it will help, and you will need to redo all mandatory competencies which are the same as in the UK, but agencies can generally arrange these. Community is very different in Australia as it has the geographical changes. I would probably look at doing some ward based work if only for a couple of months to get your head around the way Australia does things and then make a move into the community. I think it will be much easier going from the UK systems to Australian systems rather than the other way around, and there does not tend to be the issue of postcode lottery.....the biggest issue in the community is access, which is related to geography. Look at WA health websites and organisations such as ST Lukes, Blue Nurses etc, these are mainstream community teams.

 

Hope this helps

 

Debs x

 

Hi Debs, thanks for the upto date information, however, this thread was started in 2010, so I'll close this one as it may be a little confusing.


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