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Advice on which visa for 19 year old daughter, Please!!

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:wacko:Hi there, I am at the beginning of the whole process (waiting for skills assessment to come back). We are a family of 6. My son has decided not to come with us (he's 21) but my 3 daughters are all keen (19, 17, and 3). I am applying for the 175 and hope to get state sponsorship as well, the problem is my 19 year old daughter. She is in Oz on a gap year at the moment and hopes to go to uni out there eventually. She is due back in the Autumn but I dont know what visa she should apply for. She isnt in full time employment and doesnt have a job lined up when she comes back, because she was going to go to Uni this Autumn. Can she apply now while shes out there or does she have to wait until she comes back? Shes now panicking and I dont know what advice to give her. I would really appreciate any advice anyone has. Thanks, Glenda

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Guest Gollywobbler

Hi Glenda

 

Welcome to Poms in Oz.

 

I gather from your other posts that you are a nurse. Whereabouts in Oz do you plan to move to and are you using a migration agent? If you are, what does the agent say about your daughter's options, please?

 

Are you and your daughter aware that she could get a second year in Oz on her Working Holiday visa if she is willing to do 3 months' worth of Specified Work during her first 12 months in Oz?

 

Working Holiday Visa (Subclass 417)

 

I might be inclined to pack her off to do some Specified Work if she wants to remain in Oz at this stage.

 

In the longer term I suspect that going to Oz on the WH Visa might well prevent you from being able to argue that your daughter remains wholly or substantially dependent on you but please ask a competent migration agent about this. An experienced agent might have come across just such a case before and might know of a way to include your 19 year old in your visa.

 

That would be the best outcome if possible because she would then get Permanent Residency in Australia at the same time as you do. This would in turn mean that she would be a domestic student at University, which would be very considerably cheaper than if she is an International Student.

 

If there is really no way to say that your daughter remains dependent on you then she would be looking at a Student Visa and at International Student fees for whatever she might choose to study. Possible courses can be identified via the CRICOS website:

 

The Australian Commonwealth Register of Institutions and Courses for Overseas Students (CRICOS)

 

Student visas are here:

 

Students - Visas & Immigration

 

Which visa is needed depends on the level of study undertaken.

 

One possiblity - only a possibility - would be for your daughter to remain in Oz and get cracking on studying for a trade skill which is on the SOL and likely to remain on it:

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/booklets/1121i.pdf

 

Trade skills courses are relatively short - 2 to 2.5 years. Having completed the course and obtained the necessary qualifications, your daughter would then have a potential pathway to skilled independent migration to Oz in her own right in due course.

 

Attending Uni later, as a domestic student, would be quite a bit cheaper once she has Permanent Residency plus domestic students can work for as many hours as they like in addition to studying. Also although they might be kicked out of Uni if they cut too many classes, they can't be kicked out of the country as well. (I didn't go to that many lectures when I was a university student. Some of them were worth attending but a lot of them weren't worth a bleary 9am start!)

 

What does your daughter want to study and can you afford to help with the costs?

 

To giive you a ball park idea of the costs, Scenario 1 is that Daughter chooses to become a Pastry Cook in QLD:

 

Course Details

 

The Cert IV course is the only one that lasts for the obligatory 104 weeks in total and the cost if $10K a year according to the CRICOS website.

 

Now let us assume that she decides to study for a degree in International Tourism or whatever the course title is:

 

Course Details

 

221 weeks is four and a bit years. Total cost $86,000 apparently, so roughly $20,000 a year it would seem.

 

She would be able to work part time on a Student visa but it is still a very large chunk of money to find every year I would think?

 

I think you should get some proper advice about the options for your daughter.

 

Best wishes

 

Gill

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Guest gmwoodall

Thank you very much for your advice. Yes I am a nurse looking to move to Adelaide. My daughter wants (god knows why!) to train to become a social worker. We havent gone with an agent yet because I didnt know which one to go with and also how much it costs (didnt want to get ripped off). Can you give me a rough idea of the cost involved? Best case scenario for my daughter would be for her to be on my visa and apply to uni's when we are out there as we couldnt afford to fund her studies as an overseas student. If she comes back in Oct/Nov she wont have a job so she will be totally dependent on us. In fact the amount of money we have had to send her since she went in November should definitely class her as dependent!! Thank you for replying and if you could give me any advice on agents maybe that is the way I will go. Glenda

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Hi Glenda

 

Your daughter needs to be careful about this. If she does a degree in Social Work it will need to be one which meets the requirements for skilled independent migration later on:

 

Social Worker 2511-11 - Australian Skills Recognition Information

 

She would need to complete a degree which is approved by the AASW.

 

AASW - home page

 

Course Details

 

I have no idea whether the course above qualifies for the AASW but it is a four year degree and it costs $60,000 at International Student rates. It might be necessary to do one of the longer courses in order to satisfy the AASW. You or your daughter would need to contact the AASW and then contact the Universities in order to find out.

 

http://www.immi.gov.au/students/_pdf/permission-to-work-students.pdf

 

Your daughter would only be allowed to do paid work for 20 hours a week whilst the course is in session and for unlimited hours during the University vacations. Jobs fior par timers with no specialist skills tend not to pay a king's ransom.

 

I think that if she were my daughter I would be inclined to tell her that a 2 year trades skills course will give her a skill that will enable her to earn real money at a skilled level as a Pastry Cook or whatever, and that this will also be a pretty good way of ensuring that she gets Permanent Residency sooner or later in her own right. Four years at University can follow once she has PR because there is no limit to the hours that a domestic student can work during the university terms and the fees are about 2/3 less for domestic students as well.

 

My own inclination would be to enrol daughter on a trades skils course in SA as soon as possible (realistically it would probably begin in late January 2010.) I would send her off to pick crops or cook in a mining camp for 3 months urgently so as to ensure that she gets 24 months in Oz on her WH visa until the Student visa takes over.

 

I don't know whether she would have to leave Oz in order to apply for a Student visa and be outside Oz when it is granted. This is something which would need to be checked but a couple of weeks in Fiji or NZ would be enough if all the paper work is ready and all that is needed is simply to obtain the Student visa so this question is not a huge priority right now.

 

The other question is whether your daughter would become eligible for a Remaining Relative visa once you and the rest of your family have PR in Australia?

 

Remaining Relative Visa (Offshore) (Subclass 115)

 

There is an onshore version of this visa and your daughter would probably be able to apply for it if she is in Australia at the relevant time but you have to be very careful about whether she actually would be the only member of her close blood family who does not have PR in Australia. For example I have a half-sister who does not live in Australia. For as long as she is alive she prevents me from being the Remaining Relly. Fathers who have long since vanished due to divorce are often overlooked in the equation but unless proof can be produced that Absent Dad is either dead or has migrated to Australia, he can stuff the child up even though nobody knows where he is. The other thing that can stuff this visa for a youngster is that s/he gets involved in a relationshiip and his/her Partner's family do not live in Australia. A Partner's family would become your daughter's family for the purposes of a Remaining Relly visa, making it a visa where it is impossible to determine eligibility in advance until the time when it would be possible to make a valid application for it.

 

Any of the good migration agents either in Oz or in the UK ought to be able to provide accurate advice about the possible options for your daughter. Fees vary but about $100 AUD would buy an hour's telephone conference with a senior practitioner in Australia. Probably £50 to £100 for an hour in the UK but it is very much a matter of which agent you choose, I suspect.

 

I note that you are in Sidcup. The nearest Registered Migration Agent to you is probably Graham Igglesden of Concept Australia provided that he is actually based in the UKand the address in Chislehurst is more than just a "virtual office."

 

Migration Agents Registration Authority

 

Otherwise John Mumford in Hove deals with a lot of Student Visas and he definitely does live in the UK:

 

Migration Agents Registration Authority

 

That would be a relatively easy drive of M20, M26, M25 and then M23. The scenic route via Tunbridge Wells, Uckfield and Lewes is probably more fun though!

 

Go Matilda are based near Southampton which is 60 miles further if you want a face to face meeting with somebody. My inclination would be a face to face meeting because I would want to ask the Agent about the follow-on visas when the Student Visa ends, whether it would be better if Daughter does a 2 year trades skill course and so forth. I think it is the sort of conundrum that lends itself to a round table meeting at which you are armed with a pad of A4 paper and plenty of pens so that you get a clear idea of all the possibilities and can write down the visa numbers etc. You can then read about the visas on the DIAC website once you get home.

 

Best wishes

 

Gill

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