transferring from R.N to R.A.N royal navy to royal australian navy

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

Hi Stewart

 

there is loads of information in this thread 96 pages now, when i started there were only 36, so if you've got any specific questions ask away. What branch and rate are you ??

[ruby1]

Hi Gav im a PO ME (clanky) submariner been in for nearly 13yrs and just wondering how long it takes for the docs to get to aus, not heard if they recieved my medical docs which were sent in first week of nov, thanks

[frontstunt]

Hi Gav im a PO ME (clanky) submariner been in for nearly 13yrs and just wondering how long it takes for the docs to get to aus, not heard if they recieved my medical docs which were sent in first week of nov, thanks

 

Stewart, sent all my stuff via recorded Post Office and it was usually 3-4 weeks before I had confirmation from Wendy Hughes at Canberra. BTW she works 3 days a week I believe on the transfer stuff. Have learnt to be patient!

 

John.

[Guest jeffner1974]

Hi,

can't remember exactly how long it took for oh to get confirmation of meds/application ect but sometimes it's worth dropping Wendy Hughes a wee email. As Frontstunt says she only works 3 days a week and is pretty busy it seems. we had to give her a few wee gentle nudges sometimes, she is more than helpful though and any time we emailed her we got a reply pretty fast.

 

 

Finally got our visa application away yesterday with DHL so we can chill out over xmas and not worry about it. out of our hands now )

jen x

[ruby1]

Thanks jeffner and frontstunt I know they have all my medical documents so im guessing it will be a while before i here anything back, the waiting is frustrating just want to stick my notice in now before being stitched for next patrol but i suppose patience is key

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

this makes for some interesting reading if your joining submarines http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/smiths-quest-to-repair-the-navy/story-e6frg6z6-1226222306553 (you have to subscribe to the australian but is free for 3 months)

[vulturekillerone]

Hi All

 

Ive been lurking on this forum for sometime now, I'm in Guzz (Skimmer Clanky) and will be receiving my Conditions of Service in January. Looking to join in Sep at Sydney. Only possible snag is my age as I'm over 45, I'm optimistic I'll be given a visa though.

 

Paul

[Guest Ironduke]

Hi All

 

Ive been lurking on this forum for sometime now, I'm in Guzz (Skimmer Clanky) and will be receiving my Conditions of Service in January. Looking to join in Sep at Sydney. Only possible snag is my age as I'm over 45, I'm optimistic I'll be given a visa though.

 

Paul

 

Paul,

 

I was 45 when my visa application was in, I had to remind the recruiter as they have to apply for a waiver which is usually granted so don't worry about it. I've PM'd you some info you requested

 

Cheers

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

we just got our visa

[Guest flo&mags]

Hi there my OH was also that age & we have been here since 2008 - so you shld be fine. Good luck

[Guest jeffner1974]

we just got our visa

 

WOOHOO!!!! fantastic news, well done!! what a great christmas present )

all go now then x

[Guest Smudger2go]

Brilliant News!!!

 

MERRY XMAS

 

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

An interesting article if your thinking of joining the Australian armed forces

 

 

THE Australian Defence Force is exploiting forced cutbacks in military spending in Britain and other Western countries, embarking on an unprecedented drive to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and air crew. Defence, which has struggled to fill recruitment quotas in the face of increasing competition from the lucrative private sector, is seeking highly skilled specialists such as fighter pilots, special forces officers and submarine crews. And as an incentive, it is prepared to offer a fast track to Australian citizenship for so-called "lateral recruits" after just three months' service.

The Australian has learned that the Royal Australian Navy recently sent a delegation to Britain to investigate the availability of recently retrenched sailors, particularly those with engineering experience.

Defence is under pressure to maintain a strong contingent of highly trained troops in Afghanistan as it gears up to accept complex new ships and aircraft.

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As it competes with industry for skilled personnel, the ADF has focused its recruitment effort in Britain, which is cutting back heavily on defence as part of a government-wide austerity drive.

However, Australian navy chief Ray Griggs has given an undertaking to his British counterpart, First Sea Lord Admiral Mark Stanhope, that Australia will not recruit personnel the British need to maintain their capabilities.

And to find enough trained personnel to crew its submarines and the fleet of new warships now being built, the navy is also recruiting from the US, Canada and New Zealand.

A recent report on maintenance problems in Australia's navy suggested that as many as 200 more engineers were needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The RAN is facing tough competition for engineers from the booming resources industry.

It is preparing to provide crews for a new fleet that will include potent Air Warfare Destroyers and giant 28,000-tonne landing ships, bigger than Australia's past aircraft carriers.

But many comprehensively trained naval engineers deployed to submarines based at HMAS Stirling, south of Perth, have found themselves quickly moving on up to the Pilbara mines after being offered big pay rises and less arduous working conditions. Some of those deep water sailors have missed the camaraderie of service life and returned to it, but at present the navy has barely enough crews for three of its six submarines.

The ADF's long-term recruiting problems have eased during the past two years, in part because improved wages and more family-friendly conditions have slowed the departure of those attracted to private-sector jobs, but also because the global financial crisis made it harder to find jobs outside the services.

The ADF recruited 125 servicemen and five women overseas in the 2009-10 financial year, but only 33 men and one woman in 2010-11. Overseas recruitment is expected to increase sharply this year in part because of Britain's economic woes.

The ADF loses 6 per cent to 9 per cent of its personnel each year, depending in part on how many reach a career "ceiling" and also on the state of the economy and the external job market.

In 2009-10 the ADF hired replacements for 6738 who left, and that dropped to just under 5000 last year.

Under the heading: "Who we are looking for?" the Defence website says the ADF is seeking "serving or ex-serving foreign military personnel who can directly transfer their job and life skills to whichever service they join with limited training and preparation.

"The Australian Defence Force looks to overseas candidates to fill gaps in our services, which can't currently be satisfied by standard recruitment.

"We recognise that these candidates can bring skills and attributes to the navy, army and air force that will strengthen their overall operation and success rate."

The ADF campaign is also targeting Australian citizens or permanent residents residing overseas who have military experience.

After that general introduction, the recruiters from Army, Navy and RAAF take over the pitch. "The Royal Australian Navy welcomes inquiries from both officers and sailors who are interested in a new career and new life in Australia," says the senior service. "In the coming decade the RAN is delivering new capabilities in amphibious warfare, air warfare and also helicopter systems."

The overseas recruitment program is targeting serving personnel or those who "separated" no more than three years ago.

Applicants must apply for a permanent resident visa before coming to Australia.

They must also give a written undertaking that they will apply for Australian citizenship as soon as they are eligible. This is normally two years after permanent residence is granted, but an exception will be made for these service personnel, who will become eligible after three months' service.

A key navy recruitment category is maritime warfare officers, the only class of submariner eligible to become a submarine commander.

Submariners sought include cryptologists, who work in signals intelligence intercepting and interpreting communications. The documentation warns that today's submariner is a unique breed who will be tested to the limits of their endurance in a service that is extremely emotionally and physically demanding. All men and women serving in submarines must be eligible for a top-secret security clearance.

The Royal Australian Air Force is looking for a limited number of overseas fighter pilots and test pilots qualified to check out multi-engined, fixed-wing aircraft.

The army is looking for bomb-disposal experts and is also particularly keen to recruit Catholic chaplains.

It is seeking helicopter pilots, especially instructors able to teach Australians to fly its rotary-wing aircraft. The army's new helicopters include MRH-90 troop transports and Tiger-armed reconnaissance choppers.

The army is also looking for officers in artillery, intelligence, transport, supply, catering, infantry, signals and military police especially those with investigation experience as well as dentists and nurses.

The army wants officers with special forces experience, especially those qualified to parachute and to carry out amphibious operations. Ideally, the signals officers will have electronic warfare experience.

The campaign involves a labour agreement with the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations and the Department of Immigration and Citizenship that allows each service to sponsor overseas recruits.

[Graemsay]

There's an article in the Telegraph about the RAN looking to recruit redundant RN sailors.

 

The Royal Australian Navy has sent a delegation to Britain to investigate the plan, which would look to recruit some of the 5,000 Royal Navy staff due to lose their jobs over the next four years. The Australian navy would directly contact redundant sailors and offer them “career transition options”.

Australia’s Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral Ray Griggs, promised his British counterpart, First Sea Lord Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope, that Australia will not recruit personnel needed by the British. But Royal Navy officers have told the Australians they were “very comfortable” with the plan.​

[an1ta]

An interesting article if your thinking of joining the Australian armed forces

 

 

THE Australian Defence Force is exploiting forced cutbacks in military spending in Britain and other Western countries, embarking on an unprecedented drive to recruit laid-off soldiers, sailors and air crew. Defence, which has struggled to fill recruitment quotas in the face of increasing competition from the lucrative private sector, is seeking highly skilled specialists such as fighter pilots, special forces officers and submarine crews. And as an incentive, it is prepared to offer a fast track to Australian citizenship for so-called "lateral recruits" after just three months' service.

The Australian has learned that the Royal Australian Navy recently sent a delegation to Britain to investigate the availability of recently retrenched sailors, particularly those with engineering experience.

Defence is under pressure to maintain a strong contingent of highly trained troops in Afghanistan as it gears up to accept complex new ships and aircraft.

Start of sidebar. Skip to end of sidebar.

 

Recommended Coverage

 

 

Sceptical response to $18bn sub fleet

 

 

SUBMARINERS and military experts have rejected claims that Australia could build a new fleet of 12 submarines for only $18bn.

 

 

 

 

ADF looks overseas for staff

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

End of sidebar. Return to start of sidebar.

 

 

As it competes with industry for skilled personnel, the ADF has focused its recruitment effort in Britain, which is cutting back heavily on defence as part of a government-wide austerity drive.

However, Australian navy chief Ray Griggs has given an undertaking to his British counterpart, First Sea Lord Admiral Mark Stanhope, that Australia will not recruit personnel the British need to maintain their capabilities.

And to find enough trained personnel to crew its submarines and the fleet of new warships now being built, the navy is also recruiting from the US, Canada and New Zealand.

A recent report on maintenance problems in Australia's navy suggested that as many as 200 more engineers were needed to rebuild lost expertise.

The RAN is facing tough competition for engineers from the booming resources industry.

It is preparing to provide crews for a new fleet that will include potent Air Warfare Destroyers and giant 28,000-tonne landing ships, bigger than Australia's past aircraft carriers.

But many comprehensively trained naval engineers deployed to submarines based at HMAS Stirling, south of Perth, have found themselves quickly moving on up to the Pilbara mines after being offered big pay rises and less arduous working conditions. Some of those deep water sailors have missed the camaraderie of service life and returned to it, but at present the navy has barely enough crews for three of its six submarines.

The ADF's long-term recruiting problems have eased during the past two years, in part because improved wages and more family-friendly conditions have slowed the departure of those attracted to private-sector jobs, but also because the global financial crisis made it harder to find jobs outside the services.

The ADF recruited 125 servicemen and five women overseas in the 2009-10 financial year, but only 33 men and one woman in 2010-11. Overseas recruitment is expected to increase sharply this year in part because of Britain's economic woes.

The ADF loses 6 per cent to 9 per cent of its personnel each year, depending in part on how many reach a career "ceiling" and also on the state of the economy and the external job market.

In 2009-10 the ADF hired replacements for 6738 who left, and that dropped to just under 5000 last year.

Under the heading: "Who we are looking for?" the Defence website says the ADF is seeking "serving or ex-serving foreign military personnel who can directly transfer their job and life skills to whichever service they join with limited training and preparation.

"The Australian Defence Force looks to overseas candidates to fill gaps in our services, which can't currently be satisfied by standard recruitment.

"We recognise that these candidates can bring skills and attributes to the navy, army and air force that will strengthen their overall operation and success rate."

The ADF campaign is also targeting Australian citizens or permanent residents residing overseas who have military experience.

After that general introduction, the recruiters from Army, Navy and RAAF take over the pitch. "The Royal Australian Navy welcomes inquiries from both officers and sailors who are interested in a new career and new life in Australia," says the senior service. "In the coming decade the RAN is delivering new capabilities in amphibious warfare, air warfare and also helicopter systems."

The overseas recruitment program is targeting serving personnel or those who "separated" no more than three years ago.

Applicants must apply for a permanent resident visa before coming to Australia.

They must also give a written undertaking that they will apply for Australian citizenship as soon as they are eligible. This is normally two years after permanent residence is granted, but an exception will be made for these service personnel, who will become eligible after three months' service.

A key navy recruitment category is maritime warfare officers, the only class of submariner eligible to become a submarine commander.

Submariners sought include cryptologists, who work in signals intelligence intercepting and interpreting communications. The documentation warns that today's submariner is a unique breed who will be tested to the limits of their endurance in a service that is extremely emotionally and physically demanding. All men and women serving in submarines must be eligible for a top-secret security clearance.

The Royal Australian Air Force is looking for a limited number of overseas fighter pilots and test pilots qualified to check out multi-engined, fixed-wing aircraft.

The army is looking for bomb-disposal experts and is also particularly keen to recruit Catholic chaplains.

It is seeking helicopter pilots, especially instructors able to teach Australians to fly its rotary-wing aircraft. The army's new helicopters include MRH-90 troop transports and Tiger-armed reconnaissance choppers.

The army is also looking for officers in artillery, intelligence, transport, supply, catering, infantry, signals and military police especially those with investigation experience as well as dentists and nurses.

The army wants officers with special forces experience, especially those qualified to parachute and to carry out amphibious operations. Ideally, the signals officers will have electronic warfare experience.

The campaign involves a labour agreement with the Department of Education, Employment and Workplace Relations and the Department of Immigration and Citizenship that allows each service to sponsor overseas recruits.

 

 

 

 

 

Applicants must apply for a permanent resident visa before coming to Australia.

They must also give a written undertaking that they will apply for Australian citizenship as soon as they are eligible. This is normally two years after permanent residence is granted,

 

Just thought I would say that you have to wait 4 years before your eligible for ur citizenship, they changed over 3 years ago. And we didnt have to put anything in writing that we would apply for it then either....:biggrin:

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

you now have to apply for citizenship after 90 days, this extends to yourself and children but not your wife but this is being looked at

[an1ta]

you now have to apply for citizenship after 90 days, this extends to yourself and children but not your wife but this is being looked at

 

 

It only applies to children under 16. once they turn 16 they will not get it the same time as there dad. U also need to look into children from a previous Marriage, if they are not adopted they will not get it either. I have been asked to write letters by, Australian OLT (overseas lateral transfer's ) they are a website on Facebook, It is a very good website for people that have transferred or are transferring from the armed forces.

I was asked to write a letter due to my eldest child who was just 16 not getting it, even though she had to go to school and cant vote, drink, go to war, etc etc,

. I;m still waiting for it to change. Four years is'nt that long to wait I have only got another year to go lol.:biggrin:

[neenie]

Hi

Congrats to all of you who have made or are in the proccess of making the move down under:)

 

I have been reading (yes all 97 pages!) and lurking on here for a while. We applied back in October 2009 to transfer to RAN, we had interview dec3rd 2009 and told all looked really good and if they had had med docs they would of given us TOS there and then. So we got med docs off to them by end of Jan, OH then deployed and I recieved email to say Xray was out of date, and some blood results missing (yes I had kept copies and they had got blood results). So by the time OH got back it was easter and we finally got chest Xray done and sent off. We recieved email to say they had everything in May and were passing it all onto Med team to be checked. Well we got an email in October to say that medical requirements had changed and OH now needed to get another chest xray (which due to him having one in April they will not repeat due to european laws) a Sharponed rhomburgh test and an ECG. The RN are now saying we have to go privately for ECG (which I can understand). I just wonder whether the RAN are really interested or are just messing us about.

 

 

Has anyone else had this problem, you get one step closer and the RAN move the goal posts? I am due to give birth anyday, and we really want to do this move to OZ, and we knew the process would be long and stressfull (from reading the posts), but i just feel that its taken so long now over a year and we are no further forward and we are starting to have to look at schools for our oldest child. Which I was hoping I wouldnt have to as we would be well on our OZ path by now.

 

 

We really want to make the move but I am just at the point of thinking stuff it better the devil (RN you know)!

 

Any words of advice/help greatfully recieved. Thank yoiu in advance, and sorry for the long rant!

 

 

We are based in not so sunny Faslane!!!! OH is CPO ME SUbmariner

[Guest jeffner1974]

Hi Neenie,

welcome aboard, we have had the same sort of problems with medical. we sent OH application away in jan this year, with meds to follow,my OH came out the RN in august, between him sending out meds and them recieving them they seemed to change what they wanted and had to sort out another chest x-ray and also the sharpened romberg test (by which time he was on civvy street and it was a nightmare trying to get it sorted out, eventually we did) but basically these were the hoops that needed to be jumped through. i'm sure it will all be worth it in the end. we now have a enlistment date of march ''12 but only just sent our visa away, so we'll see. 18 - 24 months seems to be average timescale from applying to getting there.

sorry i can't offer you any advice. but at least you know you're not alone. it's so frustrating!!

i hope you don't have to wait to long for baby to arrive and it all goes well

jen x

[neenie]

Hi Jen,

 

Thanks for the reply, it is frustrating and annoying, especially when they sit on your docs for 5 months and then want everything done yesterday! Heyho, we will now wait until baby arrives and reassess the situation, and where we go from there. Fingers crossed you hear about your Visa soon. W were hoping for a Summer '12 enlistment but thats way gone as OH still needs to give his notice. I will keep reading your progress and hopefully we will get these tests sorted once everyone is back form Christams/New Year leave.

 

Thanks again

[Guest lisaplatt]

Sorry if this seems a bit of a lazy question, how did you go about starting your transfer? Me and my husband are both currently serving in RN and have been talking about switching for such a long time, now since having our daughter I really do want to move and give her a better life?

 

Thanks

 

Lisa

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

No they ain't messing you around, the Medicals have changed I didn't do the ECG but I know people who applied after me have done one. They are crying out for ME's so just have a little faith ring Wendy Hughes she's back on the 9th of Jan. The process has taken me over 18 months and it only just seems to be falling into place at the last minute.

[Guest gavnicjacflo]

here is the web page http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/recruitmentCentre/canIJoin/overseasApplicants/navy.aspx the process takes about 18-24 months so dont be in a rush and be prepare to wait.

 

 

Sorry if this seems a bit of a lazy question, how did you go about starting your transfer? Me and my husband are both currently serving in RN and have been talking about switching for such a long time, now since having our daughter I really do want to move and give her a better life?

 

Thanks

 

Lisa

[ruby1]

Hi

Congrats to all of you who have made or are in the proccess of making the move down under:)

 

I have been reading (yes all 97 pages!) and lurking on here for a while. We applied back in October 2009 to transfer to RAN, we had interview dec3rd 2009 and told all looked really good and if they had had med docs they would of given us TOS there and then. So we got med docs off to them by end of Jan, OH then deployed and I recieved email to say Xray was out of date, and some blood results missing (yes I had kept copies and they had got blood results). So by the time OH got back it was easter and we finally got chest Xray done and sent off. We recieved email to say they had everything in May and were passing it all onto Med team to be checked. Well we got an email in October to say that medical requirements had changed and OH now needed to get another chest xray (which due to him having one in April they will not repeat due to european laws) a Sharponed rhomburgh test and an ECG. The RN are now saying we have to go privately for ECG (which I can understand). I just wonder whether the RAN are really interested or are just messing us about.

 

 

Has anyone else had this problem, you get one step closer and the RAN move the goal posts? I am due to give birth anyday, and we really want to do this move to OZ, and we knew the process would be long and stressfull (from reading the posts), but i just feel that its taken so long now over a year and we are no further forward and we are starting to have to look at schools for our oldest child. Which I was hoping I wouldnt have to as we would be well on our OZ path by now.

 

 

We really want to make the move but I am just at the point of thinking stuff it better the devil (RN you know)!

 

Any words of advice/help greatfully recieved. Thank yoiu in advance, and sorry for the long rant!

 

 

We are based in not so sunny Faslane!!!! OH is CPO ME SUbmariner

 

Hi Neenie

 

I am a PO Submariner based at sunny Faslane I only applied in August they have all my docs now but I did have probs with my X-ray they insist on two X-rays where I could only get one done because it was not medical but I should be able to get a waver as if you are over 35 you don't need the 2nd X-ray as you said for a country that's desperate for our submariners they certainly don't make it easy, I also had to pay for my X-ray and to have my ECG assessed, I will be giving Wendy a quick ring in the new year to see how my application is going, I am tempted to just stick my notice in now, good luck on your application I just keep looking out the window and thinking it will all be worth it in the end.

[vulturekillerone]

Hi all Happy New Year to everyone!Has anyone taken over a pet dog? Im in a complete dilemma, we have a very elderly Boxer (11 years old with epileptic seizure problems, a weak bladder and arthritis) which I would like to take with us, however Im concerned that the journey/quarantine would affect her greatly.The other concern is finding a suitable MQ which accepts pets in the Sydney area which isnt too far away from the Naval Base to commute, I hear that housing is difficult to find in Sydney as it is.Grateful for any opinions on this matter.RegardsPaul