The Voice Referendum

[simmo 21,581]

3 hours ago, unzippy said:

And why might that be?

Evil white man obs.

[unzippy 3,457]

 

8 hours ago, Parley said:

No one has ever said indigenous people are not troubled.

I doubt anyone would claim as such.

Good, I'm glad you agree.

 

8 hours ago, Parley said:

Asking why doesn't help much either

Maybe it doesn't much help you, but absolute horse manure 

How on earth can you possibly hope to fix something if you don't know why or how it was broken?

Edited Tuesday at 10:22 by unzippy

[s713 2,019]

On 20/05/2023 at 11:16, simmo said:

Just been reading some more on this "voice" thing.  It appears that if successful unelected groups who might be wise, academic, fair.. or in the other hand may be radical activists with vexatious and destructive goals could be blocking laws laid down by elected bodies.  

Is this accurate?

Sounds like the House of Lords 

[simmo 21,581]

8 hours ago, s713 said:

Sounds like the House of Lords 

Exactly what I thought.

[unzippy 3,457]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/more-sports/voice-to-parliament-sports-combine-to-support-indigenous-voice-nrl-afl-news-latest/news-story/fef12bf68846bea61b5017d4d33c17b4

Rugby league legend Mal Meninga:

“I can’t see anything wrong with it — listening to the voice of the First Nations people. Learning from them and learning from their past and taking action with them.

“This is not a case of doing this for them or on behalf of them. It’s about taking action with them and I think that’s generally how we operate in sport. You bring your team along with you. You act collectively to achieve success. I can see great benefit in it."

 

Agreed.  It's good to listen, that's when you learn.

[Bulya 2,756]

2 hours ago, unzippy said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/more-sports/voice-to-parliament-sports-combine-to-support-indigenous-voice-nrl-afl-news-latest/news-story/fef12bf68846bea61b5017d4d33c17b4

Rugby league legend Mal Meninga:

“I can’t see anything wrong with it — listening to the voice of the First Nations people. Learning from them and learning from their past and taking action with them.

“This is not a case of doing this for them or on behalf of them. It’s about taking action with them and I think that’s generally how we operate in sport. You bring your team along with you. You act collectively to achieve success. I can see great benefit in it."

 

Agreed.  It's good to listen, that's when you learn.

Local hero is Mal.  Stand named after him 

[simmo 21,581]

4 hours ago, unzippy said:

https://www.foxsports.com.au/more-sports/voice-to-parliament-sports-combine-to-support-indigenous-voice-nrl-afl-news-latest/news-story/fef12bf68846bea61b5017d4d33c17b4

Rugby league legend Mal Meninga:

“I can’t see anything wrong with it — listening to the voice of the First Nations people. Learning from them and learning from their past and taking action with them.

“This is not a case of doing this for them or on behalf of them. It’s about taking action with them and I think that’s generally how we operate in sport. You bring your team along with you. You act collectively to achieve success. I can see great benefit in it."

 

Agreed.  It's good to listen, that's when you learn.

Don't you do that already?

[Rallyman 3,946]

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/the-voice-will-divide-aboriginal-people-and-divide-our-great-democratic-nation/ewnkw01xm

 

 

[unzippy 3,457]

3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/the-voice-will-divide-aboriginal-people-and-divide-our-great-democratic-nation/ewnkw01xm

 

 

An interesting opinion.  Does that mean he is happy with the status quo or he wants something different to what on offer?  The opinion piece was quite clear on what he didn’t want, but lacking on what to do next.

[Parley 7,356]

5 hours ago, unzippy said:

An interesting opinion.  Does that mean he is happy with the status quo or he wants something different to what on offer?  The opinion piece was quite clear on what he didn’t want, but lacking on what to do next.

what do you think he wants?

[Rallyman 3,946]

9 hours ago, unzippy said:

An interesting opinion.  Does that mean he is happy with the status quo or he wants something different to what on offer?  The opinion piece was quite clear on what he didn’t want, but lacking on what to do next.

I found it informative .
clearly he thinks the voice is not the way forward as said in the link there are already many voices for the indigenous community to be heard, they can grasp opportunities or stay stagnant and blame everyone else, the world has moved on considerably since the first fleet arrived, if it was not the English that came it would have been anyone of a number of countries from the northern hemisphere that claimed Australia, while the English have carried out some horrible atrocities, tell me which countries haven’t in years gone by. It’s never been a perfect world and never will be.

 

[InnerVoice 398]

On 27/05/2023 at 08:31, Rallyman said:

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/the-voice-will-divide-aboriginal-people-and-divide-our-great-democratic-nation/ewnkw01xm

 

13 hours ago, Rallyman said:

I found it informative .
clearly he thinks the voice is not the way forward as said in the link there are already many voices for the indigenous community to be heard, they can grasp opportunities or stay stagnant and blame everyone else, the world has moved on considerably since the first fleet arrived, if it was not the English that came it would have been anyone of a number of countries from the northern hemisphere that claimed Australia, while the English have carried out some horrible atrocities, tell me which countries haven’t in years gone by. It’s never been a perfect world and never will be.
 

@Rallyman that's an excellent article - thanks for sharing. It carries much more weight when a well-respected member of the Aboriginal community explains the challenges than you or I, who might be accused of discrimination. The government needs to do more support those are making the effort to 'participate economically', but would struggle with social mobility due to their poorer circumstances. He elucidates how The Voice is likely to do more harm than good, and that non-indigenous people will vote for it because of our sense of guilt and shame over colonialism, and the poverty that still exists within First Nation communities.

Many Australians have been told the Voice will solve those problems. It won’t. Because poverty, disadvantage and despair aren’t caused by lack of a voice but by a lack of economic participation.

I believe many non-Indigenous Australians support the Voice because they believe it will improve things, because they believe Aboriginal people want it and also want to see something positive, symbolic and meaningful development in the relationship between Aboriginal people and the broader Australian community – to signal the end of the colonial period.

Sadly, I think many feel they must support it because of their own inherited (and misplaced) guilt about Australia’s history and the situation many Aboriginal people still find themselves in.