15 minute city. What do you think?

[GrandpaGrumble 119]

14 hours ago, simmo said:

That's it in a nutshell. You will be penalised for leaving your zone unless you have a permit. Your movements will be tracked. And the carrot is the you will have better amenities within 15 minutes (good luck with that) What if you don't like the local butcher's produce? What if you want to meet friends from the next zone - meet a girl? Visit relatives.... Papers pleazzze

I'm not sure how the 15 minutes will be measured yet? Slow walk, brisk walk, cycle, scooter?  

Nothing to see here.

 

I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy there again, Jones.

[Lavers 1,342]

1 hour ago, GrandpaGrumble said:

I think you're getting into the realms of fantasy there again, Jones.

Why do you think it is pure fantasy.

What reason is there to do these 15min cities?

Is it so we have everything on our doorstep or is it to reduce our carbon footprint to fight climate change?

I’m sure it is to fight climate change so if people are still travelling around like they are now is it that far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone’s movements and comply with the govs idea?

[FirstWorldProblems 1,677]

2 minutes ago, Lavers said:

I’m sure it is to fight climate change so if people are still travelling around like they are now is it that far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone’s movements and comply with the govs idea?

Because the body heat they generate walking 16 minutes from home will cause further melting of the ice caps?

Lets start with the joggers, they generate much more heat than the walkers.  Fine them.  We could do it based on sweat loss.  You have to go to an official weigh station at the start and another at the end and based on how much sweat you've lost, we can calculate how much heat you must have generated and you pay for that direct impact your jog had on the the great barrier reef.  This is genius.  I'm off to patent it.

You know what else we should do, stop people heating their homes.  I mean, if we are fining people to reduce their movements, then it's not far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone heating their homes.   Whilst we're at it, those televisions are using electricity.  Fine that next.  1 cup of tea a day is enough.  Cold meals only and a 2 minute shower once a week.

I think you paint a compelling vision of the future.  We sit in our homes, staring at the wall, counting down the days until we can have a wash.   Yep that's clearly the end game of the 15 minute city.   Give 'em an inch and before you know it we're living in The Running Man.

[Lavers 1,342]

18 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

Because the body heat they generate walking 16 minutes from home will cause further melting of the ice caps?

Lets start with the joggers, they generate much more heat than the walkers.  Fine them.  We could do it based on sweat loss.  You have to go to an official weigh station at the start and another at the end and based on how much sweat you've lost, we can calculate how much heat you must have generated and you pay for that direct impact your jog had on the the great barrier reef.  This is genius.  I'm off to patent it.

You know what else we should do, stop people heating their homes.  I mean, if we are fining people to reduce their movements, then it's not far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone heating their homes.   Whilst we're at it, those televisions are using electricity.  Fine that next.  1 cup of tea a day is enough.  Cold meals only and a 2 minute shower once a week.

I think you paint a compelling vision of the future.  We sit in our homes, staring at the wall, counting down the days until we can have a wash.   Yep that's clearly the end game of the 15 minute city.   Give 'em an inch and before you know it we're living in The Running Man.

Now you are finally getting there, it’s already begun why do you think fuel prices have gone so high.

[FirstWorldProblems 1,677]

21 hours ago, simmo said:

Why can't people engage in grown up debate without getting personal?

The normal modus operandi for those losing the argument.

Tell me please, when people spend time engaged in the discussion with you, spend time thinking about the topic, offer their opinion and maybe even spend time looking into it and providing supporting evidence....when they do all that and your response is to click the laughing emoji (as you almost do with anything that isn't aligned to your own position), are you:

1. "engaging in grown up debate without getting personal"?  OR,
2. engaging in the "normal modus operandi for those losing the argument"?

Sincerely, I would welcome an answer.   

Edited March 11 by FirstWorldProblems

[simmo 21,581]

41 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

Tell me please, when people spend time engaged in the discussion with you, spend time thinking about the topic, offer their opinion and maybe even spend time looking into it and providing supporting evidence....when they do all that and your response is to click the laughing emoji (as you almost do with anything that isn't aligned to your own position), are you:

1. "engaging in grown up debate without getting personal"?  OR,
2. engaging in the "normal modus operandi for those losing the argument"?

Sincerely, I would welcome an answer.   

I won't get drawn into your childish argument.  Stick to the topic please.

[GrandpaGrumble 119]

13 hours ago, Lavers said:

Why do you think it is pure fantasy.

'Realms of fantasy' is a recurring joke in the ancient sitcom Dad's Army.  Probably before your time, but any pom over a certain age would get the reference.

 

13 hours ago, Lavers said:

What reason is there to do these 15min cities?

Is it so we have everything on our doorstep or is it to reduce our carbon footprint to fight climate change?

It's so we have everything on our doorstep.

 

13 hours ago, Lavers said:

I’m sure it is to fight climate change so if people are still travelling around like they are now is it that far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone’s movements and comply with the govs idea?

Yes, it is that far fetched.  The 15-minute city concept does not involve any restrictions on anybody's movements.  It is not related (or is only tangentially related) either to combating climate change or to the traffic reduction measures in place in various cities around the world.  See earlier posts and links therein.

[GrandpaGrumble 119]

13 hours ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

Because the body heat they generate walking 16 minutes from home will cause further melting of the ice caps?

Lets start with the joggers, they generate much more heat than the walkers.  Fine them.  We could do it based on sweat loss.  You have to go to an official weigh station at the start and another at the end and based on how much sweat you've lost, we can calculate how much heat you must have generated and you pay for that direct impact your jog had on the the great barrier reef.  This is genius.  I'm off to patent it.

You know what else we should do, stop people heating their homes.  I mean, if we are fining people to reduce their movements, then it's not far fetched to believe that fines would be introduced to reduce someone heating their homes.   Whilst we're at it, those televisions are using electricity.  Fine that next.  1 cup of tea a day is enough.  Cold meals only and a 2 minute shower once a week.

I think you paint a compelling vision of the future.  We sit in our homes, staring at the wall, counting down the days until we can have a wash.   Yep that's clearly the end game of the 15 minute city.   Give 'em an inch and before you know it we're living in The Running Man.

When using irony or satire in a forum of this kind, there is always the danger that some people might think you are being serious

[s713 2,019]

The bit I don't get about conspiracies, any would take a massive amount of set-up, intelligence, co-operation, secrecy etc. I just don't see that being coordinated on a World scale. The opportunity for whistle-blowing and the fame that would come with that would be immense.

Like Covid, how could that be coordinated across the whole World when our Govt can't agree with Norway where to fish. Are you telling me that, all that is put aside for some higher purpose to subvert people? I just don't buy that Govt's are that clever and aligned.

Face facts, we landed on the moon, Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK and terrorists colluded to orchestrate 9/11, not Dubya. He couldn't find his arse with both hands.

The simplest answer is usually right. And social media is bollocks.

[simmo 21,581]

21 hours ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

Tell me please, when people spend time engaged in the discussion with you, spend time thinking about the topic, offer their opinion and maybe even spend time looking into it and providing supporting evidence....when they do all that and your response is to click the laughing emoji (as you almost do with anything that isn't aligned to your own position), are you:

1. "engaging in grown up debate without getting personal"?  OR,
2. engaging in the "normal modus operandi for those losing the argument"?

Sincerely, I would welcome an answer.   

It's ok when we do it.

 

[FirstWorldProblems 1,677]

You created the currency and now complain when others start to trade with it?  Quelle surprise.

Do you find it unpleasant when it happens to you?  Does it come across perhaps as a little bit toxic?

 

[simmo 21,581]

53 minutes ago, FirstWorldProblems said:

You created the currency and now complain when others start to trade with it?  Quelle surprise.

Do you find it unpleasant when it happens to you?  Does it come across perhaps as a little bit toxic?

 

No. 

[simmo 21,581]

Yes!