Darren_213 Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 Hi all, I’m a former permanent resident of Australia. I was never told about the travel limit on my PR visa (5 years out of country), so I accidentally overextended it. My understanding is that I need to apply for a Migrant Return Visa. After several consultations with migration agents, I understand my chances of success are not good, as my reasons for being out of country for so long are not sufficiently compelling. Can anyone advise me on optimizing my application? I would like to restore my permanent residency, as I really don’t want to start from scratch. Moving back to Australia has long been a dream of mine. Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 You wouldn't be the first PR holder who thought "permanent" literally meant permanent. What you need is a Resident Return Visa (RRV). If you've gone over your 5 years, then you need to prove "strong ties with Australia, of benefit to Australia". That's the most important thing. If you have no ties, then it doesn't matter whether your reasons for absence were compelling or not. If agents are telling you that your chances aren't good, then I wouldn't get my hopes up, but all you can do is try. A job offer would be a tie of benefit - any chance of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhand Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 5 hours ago, Marisawright said: What you need is a Resident Return Visa (RRV). Yes, as you have been advised elsewhere. 5 hours ago, Marisawright said: If you've gone over your 5 years, then you need to prove "strong ties with Australia, of benefit to Australia". Actually, you need to demonstrate the substantial ties of benefit if you do not meet the 2 year residence requirement. If you have also been absent for more than 5 years then you need to demonstrate ‘compelling reasons’ for that absence as well. As you say, the ties are the first test and if you don’t meet that then all the compelling reasons in the world will not help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 @MarisawrightI am definitely looking into having a job lined up in Australia before lodging an application. @Marisawright and @paulhand(and anyone else reading this, for that matter) - Do you have any further insight as to I could succeed in my Migrant Return Visa application? As I'm sure you're aware, the three main questions are: If the applicant has substantial business, cultural, employment or personal ties with Australia, give details of these ties and how they are of benefit to Australia or indicate that the applicant has no substantial ties Provide the reason why the applicant last departed Australia If the applicant had compelling reasons for this absence, give details or indicate the applicant had no compelling reasons What would successful answers to these questions look like? The first one re: ties is giving me the most trouble. What would be considered substantial ties that would qualify me for a RRV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 That's the reason it's so tough, if you just left and didn't think about returning. Best bet would be to book a one-off consultation with Paul to go into your situation thoroughly and see if he can come up with some ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Darren_213 said: @MarisawrightI am definitely looking into having a job lined up in Australia before lodging an application. @Marisawright and @paulhand(and anyone else reading this, for that matter) - Do you have any further insight as to I could succeed in my Migrant Return Visa application? As I'm sure you're aware, the three main questions are: If the applicant has substantial business, cultural, employment or personal ties with Australia, give details of these ties and how they are of benefit to Australia or indicate that the applicant has no substantial ties Provide the reason why the applicant last departed Australia If the applicant had compelling reasons for this absence, give details or indicate the applicant had no compelling reasons What would successful answers to these questions look like? The first one re: ties is giving me the most trouble. What would be considered substantial ties that would qualify me for a RRV? What are your answers to these questions? It is not a matter of asking others to make up the most compelling answers they can think of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 (edited) @Parley I’m unsure how much detail to share, as I don’t know if Australian Immigration officials use these forums, and I don’t know if it would be to my advantage to share my case in a place where they could see. Do you think it is safe to do so? Edited November 26, 2021 by Darren_213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parley Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Darren_213 said: @Parley I’m unsure how much detail to share, as I don’t know if Australian Immigration officials use these forums, and I don’t know if it would be to my advantage to share my case in a place where they could see. Do you think it is safe to do so? I would have thought it is safe. I'm sure they have real work to do not trawling through forums. They don't know your real name do they. So how can they link it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 9 minutes ago, Parley said: I would have thought it is safe. I'm sure they have real work to do not trawling through forums. They don't know your real name do they. So how can they link it to you. They could if they really wanted to. I would say the OP has nothing to fear if he's got a genuine case for a RRV. i suspect the problem is that when he left Australia, he cut all ties because he didn't expect to return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amber Snowball Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Darren_213 said: @Parley I’m unsure how much detail to share, as I don’t know if Australian Immigration officials use these forums, and I don’t know if it would be to my advantage to share my case in a place where they could see. Do you think it is safe to do so? I think it can be presumed that as it is a public forum immigration can see it and it has been mentioned here before that they do look at forums such as these. Honestly give Paul who posted above a ring, pay a small consultation fee and get it right. good luck, I didn’t realise the travel part of the visa expired either, so you aren’t alone. Just dumb luck I didn’t travel and get stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlast Posted November 26, 2021 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 12/11/2021 at 12:22, Darren_213 said: I was never told about the travel limit on my PR visa I wouldn’t use this when you’re making your case. It is written in your grant notification letter so I doubt you will get any sympathy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 25/11/2021 at 20:46, Marisawright said: I would say the OP has nothing to fear if he's got a genuine case for a RRV. i suspect the problem is that when he left Australia, he cut all ties because he didn't expect to return. It’s not that. I actually did expect to return. When I went to the US, I had a slew of family problems that kept me from returning to Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 Regarding the ties question; would a job offer within Australia be considered a substantial tie to Australia? If I can get such a job offer, should I wait until I have that offer before applying so I can include the job offer in my application? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 29 minutes ago, Darren_213 said: Regarding the ties question; would a job offer within Australia be considered a substantial tie to Australia? If I can get such a job offer, should I wait until I have that offer before applying so I can include the job offer in my application? Yes, a job offer can count towards it. Obviously, there's no point in applying for the RRV and saying, "I hope I'll get a job offer", they're just going to throw out your application. So, job offer first. However, I think you've got no hope of succeeding unless you hire an agent to do the application for you, so your first step should be to hire an agent. They may be able to offer you some ideas which they wouldn't share on a public forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted November 30, 2021 Author Share Posted November 30, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Marisawright said: However, I think you've got no hope of succeeding unless you hire an agent to do the application for you, so your first step should be to hire an agent. They may be able to offer you some ideas which they wouldn't share on a public forum. I actually had a consult with a migration agent, who advised that I do it myself, due to the relatively low cost of application, and the fact that I can apply as many times as I want. However, I will consider hiring a migration agent, based on your recommendation. Another question: Is there any way to attach supporting documents to my application via Immi? I haven’t been able to find any place to upload anything. Edited November 30, 2021 by Darren_213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulhand Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Darren_213 said: Another question: Is there any way to attach supporting documents to my application via Immi? I haven’t been able to find any place to upload anything. Then you haven’t got to the end of the application. An RRV application allows you to upload ‘recommended’ documents before you submit it. You can upload additional ones after submitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raveena Posted December 10, 2021 Share Posted December 10, 2021 You wouldn't be the primary PR holder who thought "super durable" in a real sense implied long-lasting. What you really want is a Resident Return Visa (RRV). In the event that you've gone over your 5 years, then, at that point, you really want to demonstrate "solid binds with Australia, good for Australia". That what is unquestionably significant. On the off chance that you have no ties, then, at that point, it doesn't make any difference whether or not your explanations behind nonappearance were convincing. Assuming specialists are letting you know that your odds look quite dismal, then, at that point, I wouldn't get my expectations up, however there's nothing left but to attempt. A bid for employment would be a tie of advantage - any shot at that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted December 18, 2021 Author Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) On 10/12/2021 at 04:00, Raveena said: A bid for employment would be a tie of advantage - any shot at that? I am applying for jobs in Australia like mad. I also have friends in Australia who may be able to help me attain a job there. A question I have is – Does it make a difference what kind of job it is that I get an offer for? Edited December 18, 2021 by Darren_213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoll Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 18 hours ago, Darren_213 said: I am applying for jobs in Australia like mad. I also have friends in Australia who may be able to help me attain a job there. A question I have is – Does it make a difference what kind of job it is that I get an offer for? Bit of a catch 22 I suspect, most employers arent going to offer jobs to folk who dont have visas to get in and yet you cant say you have ties without a job offer and so, technically have no visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted January 6, 2022 Author Share Posted January 6, 2022 Hi all, Sorry to bump on old thread, but I had an idea. As was indicated in this thread, a job offer would classify as a tie to Australia that would greatly increase the chances of my Migrant Return Visa being successful. However, I’ve been having trouble landing a job offer without the right to work that permanent resident status affords me. It occurred to me that I could accrue a few Australian certifications (that are available online) and provide them as demonstrations of my genuine intent to migrate to Australia. What do you all make of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Darren_213 said: It occurred to me that I could accrue a few Australian certifications (that are available online) and provide them as demonstrations of my genuine intent to migrate to Australia. Your intent isn't relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calNgary Posted January 6, 2022 Share Posted January 6, 2022 6 hours ago, Darren_213 said: Hi all, Sorry to bump on old thread, but I had an idea. As was indicated in this thread, a job offer would classify as a tie to Australia that would greatly increase the chances of my Migrant Return Visa being successful. However, I’ve been having trouble landing a job offer without the right to work that permanent resident status affords me. It occurred to me that I could accrue a few Australian certifications (that are available online) and provide them as demonstrations of my genuine intent to migrate to Australia. What do you all make of this? What is your occupation / trade ? Cal x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darren_213 Posted January 8, 2022 Author Share Posted January 8, 2022 On 06/01/2022 at 05:32, calNgary said: What is your occupation / trade ? Cal x I've had a few different jobs in my time. I would really be open to getting certifications in whatever field would give my application the greatest chance of being successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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