Brit tea drinkers moving to Australian-style coffee

[MacGyver 1,218]

9 hours ago, simmo said:

The shots are the same size. The rest is water and frothy milk with a pretty pattern.  

Some facts; 

Coffee is as good (probs better) in Europe than Australia. The Aussie coffee thing is Aussies being Aussies desperately  trying to be to the best in the world at something (anything). The term long white or flat white is a bastardisation of something available for hundreds of years in Europe just called something else you just need to know what you are ordering.  

The op in its article post ed a picture of a bloke posing beside an Italian coffee machine.  I suppose these are modified to make "Aussie coffee"

 

In Scotland the coffee (from proper coffee shops) is stronger, with a more bitter taste due to the strong Italian influence (and Italians know a thing or two about coffee).

The Australian coffee if find is smoother and less bitter, probably less authentic from a European perspective but I personally prefer it. I know many people who take the opposite view and prefer the Italian style coffee/taste/strength. In Scotland I only ever have an espresso after dinner, whereas in Australia I enjoy coffee in the morning, due to the taste differences. One isn’t better than the other, personal taste more than anything.

[Bulya 2,042]

I often call in to ONA for a covfefe where world champion barista Sasa Sestic does his thing.  Nothing but the best...

http://sasasestic.com.au/worlds-best-barista-sasa-sestic-makes-12-champion-cups-of-coffee-in-15-minutes-to-claim-title/

 

 

[NicF 772]

16 hours ago, simmo said:

I never go to those. So many great little cafés do real coffee for half the price.

Good call.  Probably plenty of them where you are as well.  When I left the UK there weren't many independent coffee shops, and I don't remember any in the bit of the UK I was living in. Lots of tea shops, but the coffee there was usually instant or from a (bad) coffee machine at the time.  Used to go to places like Starbucks and Costa fairly frequently before we moved.  Last time I was back in the UK I tried getting coffees from such places and regretted it instantly.  

[Marisawright 7,129]

7 hours ago, MacGyver said:

In Scotland the coffee (from proper coffee shops) is stronger, with a more bitter taste due to the strong Italian influence (and Italians know a thing or two about coffee).

The Australian coffee if find is smoother and less bitter, probably less authentic from a European perspective but I personally prefer it. I know many people who take the opposite view and prefer the Italian style coffee/taste/strength. In Scotland I only ever have an espresso after dinner, whereas in Australia I enjoy coffee in the morning, due to the taste differences. One isn’t better than the other, personal taste more than anything.

I agree.  Although Australia's passion for coffee was learned from the Italian migrants, the Australian taste is for a smooth flavour, whereas both the French and the Italians in Europe prefer a more bitter blend.   As you say, it's taste - mainly what you grow up with.   In France and Italy, people had to mix the best beans with cheape stuff to make it affordable, and since everyone grows up with that taste, they prefer it.  I find it too bitter.   

[Skani 4,931]

17 hours ago, simmo said:

Some facts; 

Coffee is as good (probs better) in Europe than Australia. The Aussie coffee thing is Aussies being Aussies desperately  trying to be to the best in the world at something (anything).

You would say that (of course).  Your "facts" aren't shared by foodie nerds  including Heston Blumenthal  who, after his 2013 visit,  nominated Australian coffee ("decent coffee") as one of the 5 Australian food trends he wanted the UK to adopt.   

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I often have to explain to people that the best coffee you can get is in Australia. They can’t quite believe it.

No one's disputing the fact that the Oz coffee culture was developed by post WW2 European migrants, notably the Italians.  

[Ken 987]

I was really surprised to hear the other day that coffee is grown in Australia. It's less than 1% of the coffee consumed in Australia so I guess that helped it slip under the radar, but still surprised not to have heard about it before.

[Rallyman 3,232]

1 hour ago, Ken said:

I was really surprised to hear the other day that coffee is grown in Australia. It's less than 1% of the coffee consumed in Australia so I guess that helped it slip under the radar, but still surprised not to have heard about it before.

Grown in Qld 

[Ken 987]

49 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

Grown in Qld 

NSW as well - ABC included a farm "near Byron Bay" in their report.

[Bobj 9,497]

1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

Grown in Qld 

There is a small orchard in Proserpine, about 5000 bushes.

One of the most fragrant of flowers. I have a coffee bush, grown from seed from a neighbouring bush.

[simmo 20,542]

9 hours ago, NicF said:

Good call.  Probably plenty of them where you are as well.  When I left the UK there weren't many independent coffee shops, and I don't remember any in the bit of the UK I was living in. Lots of tea shops, but the coffee there was usually instant or from a (bad) coffee machine at the time.  Used to go to places like Starbucks and Costa fairly frequently before we moved.  Last time I was back in the UK I tried getting coffees from such places and regretted it instantly.  

Some of the best coffee is from builders cafes. A lot of people are too stuck up to go in them so they miss out. 

[Marisawright 7,129]

2 hours ago, simmo said:

Some of the best coffee is from builders cafes. A lot of people are too stuck up to go in them so they miss out. 

Do they have espresso machines in builders' cafes?

[Red Rose 240]

I know most people don't care, but Barista bought coffee is hugely destructive to the environment. I make that statement on the basis of the following presumptions:

(1) Most people don't own or utilise a keep cup (2) Most people who buy Barista coffee will buy more than one coffee a week in a disposable cup (3) Most people will throw that disposable cup into landfill if there is no recycling bin available. 

Now multiply the above over millions of people every day and I think it could become an environmental problem. Happy to be corrected though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Marisawright 7,129]

16 minutes ago, Red Rose said:

I know most people don't care, but Barista bought coffee is hugely destructive to the environment. I make that statement on the basis of the following presumptions:

(1) Most people don't own or utilise a keep cup (2) Most people who buy Barista coffee will buy more than one coffee a week in a disposable cup (3) Most people will throw that disposable cup into landfill if there is no recycling bin available. 

Now multiply the above over millions of people every day and I think it could become an environmental problem. Happy to be corrected though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I always buy barista made coffee. I always sit down and drink it in the cafe, in a china cup. 

[simmo 20,542]

1 hour ago, Marisawright said:

Do they have espresso machines in builders' cafes?

Are you asking me if all builders cafes have espresso machines?

I doubt it

[newjez 10,026]

3 hours ago, Marisawright said:

I always buy barista made coffee. I always sit down and drink it in the cafe, in a china cup. 

I always drink coffee in a china cup. It spoils the taste if you don't.

Although to be honest, most of my coffee comes from my own coffee machine. 

Edited March 1 by newjez

[Bulya 2,042]

4 hours ago, Marisawright said:

I always buy barista made coffee. I always sit down and drink it in the cafe, in a china cup. 

Same, I hate take away in a paper cup.  

[Rallyman 3,232]

11 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Do they have espresso machines in builders' cafes?

You know when it’s good coffee if it’s busy early on with tradies 

[Marisawright 7,129]

1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

You know when it’s good coffee if it’s busy early on with tradies 

I’d have thought the food had more to do with that. Also it depends on your definition of good coffee. Some people think the filter stuff is fine 

[Paul1Perth 5,066]

10 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

I’d have thought the food had more to do with that. Also it depends on your definition of good coffee. Some people think the filter stuff is fine 

My youngest works in Dome, a decent coffee outlet here. When we were on holiday in the UK we went into Stockport on the bus for a swim. After we called in a cafe for a coffee near the bus stand. Got an instant nescafe, out of a big catering tin, big mugs though. Went to sit down and there were signs on the walls about not leaving your bag unattended, so they wouldn't get nicked. My son couldn't believe that someone would steal a bag whilst they went up for a coffee.

Aussie kids lack a bit of street wiseness. Bit dodgy around Stockport bus station.

[rammygirl 1,662]

When I worked in North Manchester I used to lock my car whilst returning my trolley in the car park.  Not paranoid, people would watch cars a distance from the trolley parks (you had to return the trolley for your pound) and nick the bags of groceries from the boot and run!

I still do it, and I never leave stuff on my table when ordering coffee.  It still surprises me that people leave expensive phones and bags unattended.

[Rallyman 3,232]

2 hours ago, Marisawright said:

I’d have thought the food had more to do with that. Also it depends on your definition of good coffee. Some people think the filter stuff is fine 

Going by experience Butchers block in Turramurra opens 5.30 am full of tradies  picking  up a coffee, no food

[simmo 20,542]

7 hours ago, Rallyman said:

You know when it’s good coffee if it’s busy early on with tradies 

Trades couldn't possibly know what good coffee is.

[Parley 5,524]

3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Going by experience Butchers block in Turramurra opens 5.30 am full of tradies  picking  up a coffee, no food

Most of the tradies i've seen are more likely to buy a pie with sauce and a can of coke.

[Rallyman 3,232]

32 minutes ago, Parley said:

Most of the tradies i've seen are more likely to buy a pie with sauce and a can of coke.

Need to get out more, not at 5.30 am in the morning.  

Edited March 2 by Rallyman

[newjez 10,026]

8 hours ago, Marisawright said:

I’d have thought the food had more to do with that. Also it depends on your definition of good coffee. Some people think the filter stuff is fine 

My wife doesn't like my espresso machine. Don't know why. She prefers a cafetiere with creamy milk. Personal preference I guess.