Australian and UK Covid Responses

[Parley 7,355]

Well if anyone has chest pain it could be a heart attack so a good idea to call an ambulance.

Unless it is likely a muscular strain which i have had, but better to be cautious. If it is a heart attack a quick medical intervention is critical to survival.

[Toots 11,705]

10 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

Serious fear campaign happened there.  I remember one of my sons over there had a colleague who had a family member test positive. He said people were sending this colleague flowers and crying like it was a given their family member was about to die.  When I had covid, I asked my son if he’d told friends/colleagues I had  it.  He said you’re joking aren’t you, they’d be in bits and sending me their condolences.  My other son in Perth said the same as you have.  They had no cases (or an odd one or two) and people were too scared to take their kids for a walk outside in the open fresh air.  
 

 

It wasn't like that here.  Even when children's playgrounds were closed you would still see them riding their bikes and walking with their parents.  I dare say there were a few nervous people but on the whole I didn't come across any.  Not like you've described anyway.  I think boredom got to a lot of people.

[Marisawright 10,232]

17 hours ago, simmo said:

You were ordered to stay home. Australia even had snatch squads, locking people up in dongers who didn't comply.

Where?  Melbourne had the strictest lockdowns of all the states/cities and they weren't locking people up.   In fact I never even saw a policeman checking up on anyone.   Demonstrators got locked up because they were being bolshy, no sympathy there.  The occasional mentally disturbed person got carted off when they got violent about not wearing a mask etc.  

Actually, @Tulip1, I saw more kids out in the fresh air during lockdown than normal.  Because kids weren't at school and couldn't go to each other's houses, taking them to the park was one way to keep them occupied.   People were having picnics everywhere.  People set up outdoor furniture in their front gardens, so when we went out for our walk, we could stop and chat to neighbours over the fence.   

Edited March 12 by Marisawright

[Rallyman 3,944]

Do you not remember the pregnant lady who was arrested ? 
there was also another lady who was arrested for not wearing a mask who was handcuffed and her bag searched with the police officer not wearing a mask and when he checked he admitted he was wrong ?

journalist getting arrested 

the list is endless, then all of a sudden you don’t have to pay any fines and convictions quashed. 
Victoria police have had to payout large sums of taxpayers money as compensation. 
 

[Marisawright 10,232]

1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

Do you not remember the pregnant lady who was arrested ? 
there was also another lady who was arrested for not wearing a mask who was handcuffed and her bag searched with the police officer not wearing a mask and when he checked he admitted he was wrong ?

journalist getting arrested 

the list is endless,

The list isn't endless.  For goodness sake, Melbourne is a city of over 5 million people.    How many people were arrested exactly?   People who were arrested were often being argumentative or threatening and there was a Facebook group of anti-maskers who were deliberately organising outings to "bait" police.  The media made a huge deal out of the small number of cases because sensationalism sells newspapers. 

[Ken 1,567]

7 hours ago, Bulya said:

Semantics.  You knew exactly what I was getting at..

Not exactly, No. I'd still like to know if it did come from a Lab, and information saying it was natural and not man-made is irrelevant to that. There was clearly negligence involved in the initial Chinese response but was this to cover up other negligence?

[Marisawright 10,232]

1 hour ago, Ken said:

Not exactly, No. I'd still like to know if it did come from a Lab, and information saying it was natural and not man-made is irrelevant to that. There was clearly negligence involved in the initial Chinese response but was this to cover up other negligence?

For me the question is, what difference will it make to anything?   There are labs all over the world, doing experiments on dangerous diseases and substances.  Accidents and negligence happen, because humans are humans. No matter how stringent we make the rules, human beings make mistakes.  If it turns out Covid came from a Wuhan lab, it doesn't mean that lab is any more careless or negligent than any other lab.  

Of course, the crazy conspiracy theorists have long since moved on from negligence, and are convinced the American-funded lab released Covid deliberately to infect the Chinese

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/nearly-400-accidents-with-dangerous-pathogens-and-bio-toxins-reported-in-u-s-labs-over-seven-years/

https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/human-error-in-high-biocontainment-labs-a-likely-pandemic-threat/

[simmo 21,581]

4 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Do you not remember the pregnant lady who was arrested ? 
there was also another lady who was arrested for not wearing a mask who was handcuffed and her bag searched with the police officer not wearing a mask and when he checked he admitted he was wrong ?

journalist getting arrested 

the list is endless, then all of a sudden you don’t have to pay any fines and convictions quashed. 
Victoria police have had to payout large sums of taxpayers money as compensation. 
 

Obs all mentally ill.

[Tulip1 4,665]

6 hours ago, Marisawright said:

Where?  Melbourne had the strictest lockdowns of all the states/cities and they weren't locking people up.   In fact I never even saw a policeman checking up on anyone.   Demonstrators got locked up because they were being bolshy, no sympathy there.  The occasional mentally disturbed person got carted off when they got violent about not wearing a mask etc.  

Actually, @Tulip1, I saw more kids out in the fresh air during lockdown than normal.  Because kids weren't at school and couldn't go to each other's houses, taking them to the park was one way to keep them occupied.   People were having picnics everywhere.  People set up outdoor furniture in their front gardens, so when we went out for our walk, we could stop and chat to neighbours over the fence.   

My comment about kids not going out in the fresh air related to Perth and a comment HH said so nothing to do with what people did in Melbourne.  

‘My other son in Perth said the same as you have.  They had no cases (or an odd one or two) and people were too scared to take their kids for a walk outside in the open fresh air’  

[Rallyman 3,944]

5 hours ago, Marisawright said:

The list isn't endless.  For goodness sake, Melbourne is a city of over 5 million people.    How many people were arrested exactly?   People who were arrested were often being argumentative or threatening and there was a Facebook group of anti-maskers who were deliberately organising outings to "bait" police.  The media made a huge deal out of the small number of cases because sensationalism sells newspapers. 

You have to be kidding, 33,000 have been withdrawn in nsw alone with around 29,000 still on play pending appeals, Victoria issued around 30,000. 

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[Marisawright 10,232]

1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

You have to be kidding, 33,000 have been withdrawn in nsw alone with around 29,000 still on play pending appeals, Victoria issued around 30,000. 

30,000 fines in a population of nearly 7 million in Victoria?  Not even half a percent of the population.  Hardly a lot.

[Lavers 1,342]

6 hours ago, Ken said:

Not exactly, No. I'd still like to know if it did come from a Lab, and information saying it was natural and not man-made is irrelevant to that. There was clearly negligence involved in the initial Chinese response but was this to cover up other negligence?

It come from a lab all day long, far to many coincidences.

[Lavers 1,342]

3 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

My comment about kids not going out in the fresh air related to Perth and a comment HH said so nothing to do with what people did in Melbourne.  

‘My other son in Perth said the same as you have.  They had no cases (or an odd one or two) and people were too scared to take their kids for a walk outside in the open fresh air’  

I was still in England when Covid kicked off and the media was pushing as hard as they could to put fear into people, but I think a lot of people called there bluff from the start.

Most people couldn’t care less and enjoyed being paid to stay at home. People went shopping in Asda for the day just to do something haha.

The police did push a campaign to grass on your neighbour though if they weren’t following the rules like being out of their house for more than an hour.

Sad that people actually rang the police to grass.

[simmo 21,581]

1 hour ago, Marisawright said:

30,000 fines in a population of nearly 7 million in Victoria?  Not even half a percent of the population.  Hardly a lot.

you realy need to stop with that line of arguement.  Its been succefully rebuked over and over.

[Marisawright 10,232]

42 minutes ago, simmo said:

you realy need to stop with that line of arguement.  Its been succefully rebuked over and over.

No, it hasn't. All people have been able to say is, "well, if I saw a crowd of 30,000, I'd think it was a lot of people".  Hardly refuted (which is the correct word, BTW, not rebuked).   There are over 6,680,000 people in Victoria and 6,650,000 of them DIDN'T get fined or jailed.  

[Marisawright 10,232]

4 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

My comment about kids not going out in the fresh air related to Perth and a comment HH said so nothing to do with what people did in Melbourne.  

That amazes me.  Here in Melbourne we had the strictest, longest lockdowns (because we had the most cases in Australia), and I didn't come across anyone keeping their kids indoors. In fact, everybody went out of their way to move outdoors, since we were all being told it was the safest place to be (due to Covid not transmitting in fresh air). 

[Marisawright 10,232]

1 hour ago, Lavers said:

The police did push a campaign to grass on your neighbour though if they weren’t following the rules like being out of their house for more than an hour.

Sad that people actually rang the police to grass.

Wow, that's awful.  People talk about how strict the lockdowns were in Melbourne but there was no campaign to dob people in.   In fact, I think most people in Melbourne went out for more than an hour.  After all, there was no way anyone would know how long you'd been out, provided you were less than 30 minutes' walk from home.  

[Lavers 1,342]

35 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

Wow, that's awful.  People talk about how strict the lockdowns were in Melbourne but there was no campaign to dob people in.   In fact, I think most people in Melbourne went out for more than an hour.  After all, there was no way anyone would know how long you'd been out, provided you were less than 30 minutes' walk from home.  

You know the UK has many curtain twitchers haha

[Rallyman 3,944]

3 hours ago, Marisawright said:

30,000 fines in a population of nearly 7 million in Victoria?  Not even half a percent of the population.  Hardly a lot.

Wow hate to think what you would call  a lot . Unbelievable 

[Tulip1 4,665]

2 hours ago, Marisawright said:

That amazes me.  Here in Melbourne we had the strictest, longest lockdowns (because we had the most cases in Australia), and I didn't come across anyone keeping their kids indoors. In fact, everybody went out of their way to move outdoors, since we were all being told it was the safest place to be (due to Covid not transmitting in fresh air). 

If you were told it didn’t transmit in the fresh air (which is the case) you have to wonder why you were all made to wear masks when outside.  Sure in the beginning you could understand it perhaps but it was very soon apparent to the world outside without masks was safe yet it took along time before you were allowed to be outside without them.  

[FirstWorldProblems 1,677]

4 hours ago, Lavers said:

It come from a lab all day long, far to many coincidences.

It might have.  If and when evidence emerges that make this the most probable explanation, then we should all get behind it.   Until then it's guessing and that can be dangerous.  It shuts our minds off to alternate explanations, preventing us seeking out the truth and it can put blame where it isn't due, which is an awful things to do to innocent people.

[simmo 21,581]

4 hours ago, Marisawright said:

That amazes me.  Here in Melbourne we had the strictest, longest lockdowns (because we had the most cases in Australia), and I didn't come across anyone keeping their kids indoors. In fact, everybody went out of their way to move outdoors, since we were all being told it was the safest place to be (due to Covid not transmitting in fresh air). 

I remember People were locked in their apartmets for days on end (in melborurne )

according to my mate there, there was an 8pm curfew and people were only alowed out for 1 hour a day?  Is that right?

Daily exercise can only take place within a 5km radius of your home and cannot last longer than an hour.

You cannot exercise in groups of more than two, even if they’re members of the same household.

Edited March 13 by simmo

[Rallyman 3,944]

7 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

If you were told it didn’t transmit in the fresh air (which is the case) you have to wonder why you were all made to wear masks when outside.  Sure in the beginning you could understand it perhaps but it was very soon apparent to the world outside without masks was safe yet it took along time before you were allowed to be outside without them.  

How about the tile in wales where you could go to the pub , sit inside ( not allowed to buy alcohol) as long as you were eating food ( sausage roll ) a sketch right out of the montypython book of life 

[Marisawright 10,232]

9 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

If you were told it didn’t transmit in the fresh air (which is the case) you have to wonder why you were all made to wear masks when outside.  Sure in the beginning you could understand it perhaps but it was very soon apparent to the world outside without masks was safe yet it took along time before you were allowed to be outside without them.  

I'm not sure it was "very soon" apparent.   It's not true to say that it never transmits in fresh air:  if you and I were standing talking to each other, close enough to breathe each other's air, it would transmit. So masks outdoors when in a crowd, made sense.  We never had to wear masks when going out for our walks because we weren't mixing with anyone but our families. 

[Tulip1 4,665]

1 hour ago, Marisawright said:

I'm not sure it was "very soon" apparent.   It's not true to say that it never transmits in fresh air:  if you and I were standing talking to each other, close enough to breathe each other's air, it would transmit. So masks outdoors when in a crowd, made sense.  We never had to wear masks when going out for our walks because we weren't mixing with anyone but our families. 

Masks were mandatory outside there regardless to who you were mixing with. 
 

Victoria ends mandatory mask-wearing outdoors and eases Covid restrictions on home gatherings

Edited March 13 by Tulip1