LisaR 10 Posted November 25, 2020 Hi all We've been living in Oz for 5 years now and my step daughter who's 31 lives in the UK with her 3 kids. Her mum passed just over 2 years ago so she's on her own in the UK now. No other family contact. She's also single. Are there any options for her to come over here to live or is it a definite no unless she meets skills in demand etc? Any advice appreciated. Thanks all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 6,582 Posted November 25, 2020 No practical options. The last remaining relative visa has a waiting time of about 40 years Scot by birth, emigrated 1985 | Aussie husband applied UK spouse visa Jan 2015, granted March 2015, moved to UK May 2015 | Returned to Oz June 2016 "The stranger who comes home does not make himself at home but makes home itself strange." -- Rainer Maria Rilke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Quoll 5,244 Posted November 25, 2020 Probably not. Her kids have a father I assume - he might not allow them to leave and they will have him as a relative. Best thing she could do is to train up to be something that might possibly lead her to a skilled visa in the future but that's a bit of a gamble these days when even nurses and teachers are a bit iffy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tulip1 3,001 Posted November 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Quoll said: Probably not. Her kids have a father I assume - he might not allow them to leave and they will have him as a relative. Best thing she could do is to train up to be something that might possibly lead her to a skilled visa in the future but that's a bit of a gamble these days when even nurses and teachers are a bit iffy. I agree and again, she would probably need to wait until the kids are adults if their father doesn’t give permission for them to move. That on its own could cause issues as when they’re adults proving their dependency on her may be problematic. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtritudr 129 Posted November 25, 2020 20 hours ago, Marisawright said: No practical options. The last remaining relative visa has a waiting time of about 40 years Yes but if she can get the bridging visa, at least she'll have time to explore other visa options in those 40 years. The critical issue is can she get a bridging visa with work rights and Medicare. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 6,582 Posted November 26, 2020 1 hour ago, rtritudr said: Yes but if she can get the bridging visa, at least she'll have time to explore other visa options in those 40 years. The critical issue is can she get a bridging visa with work rights and Medicare. A lot of people think "if I can get into Australia somehow, then it'll be easier to get another visa once I'm there". Actually, the opposite is true. There are no visas that magically appear once you get here. If she wants to qualify for a visa and doesn't currently have the skills, she can undertake a course in the UK as a domestic student. She'll have access to government support and has no restrictions on her ability to work while she studies. Whereas if she came to Australia on a bridging visa and wanted to do a course, she'd have to pay thousands of dollars in full international fees. Also, there would be school fees to pay for the kids, and no access to child care, child support or other benefits. She might be able to apply for permission to work on hardship grounds, but she'd have to be on the breadline and with kids and no access to benefits, that's not a place you want to be. 4 Scot by birth, emigrated 1985 | Aussie husband applied UK spouse visa Jan 2015, granted March 2015, moved to UK May 2015 | Returned to Oz June 2016 "The stranger who comes home does not make himself at home but makes home itself strange." -- Rainer Maria Rilke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arti 13 Posted November 26, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Marisawright said: A lot of people think "if I can get into Australia somehow, then it'll be easier to get another visa once I'm there". Actually, the opposite is true. There are no visas that magically appear once you get here. If she wants to qualify for a visa and doesn't currently have the skills, she can undertake a course in the UK as a domestic student. She'll have access to government support and has no restrictions on her ability to work while she studies. Whereas if she came to Australia on a bridging visa and wanted to do a course, she'd have to pay thousands of dollars in full international fees. Also, there would be school fees to pay for the kids, and no access to child care, child support or other benefits. She might be able to apply for permission to work on hardship grounds, but she'd have to be on the breadline and with kids and no access to benefits, that's not a place you want to be. I think the more difficult part is the emotional aspect of living in limbo. There are too many what ifs and could haves in this process. And then you end up getting emotionally invested in the country, living with the people you love and going back in the event nothing works out becomes an unthinkable option. Edited November 26, 2020 by Arti 2 143 acknowledgement 16th July 2018 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ali 16,180 Posted November 26, 2020 11 hours ago, rtritudr said: Yes but if she can get the bridging visa, at least she'll have time to explore other visa options in those 40 years. The critical issue is can she get a bridging visa with work rights and Medicare. There's also the cost of schooling for her children whilst on a bridging visa 1 I just want PIO to be a happy place where people are nice to each other and unicorns poop rainbows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtritudr 129 Posted November 27, 2020 13 hours ago, ali said: There's also the cost of schooling for her children whilst on a bridging visa Right. But there are exemptions for financial hardship depending on the state. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 6,582 Posted November 27, 2020 9 minutes ago, rtritudr said: Right. But there are exemptions for financial hardship depending on the state. Even for someone who has not allowed to access state benefits? Scot by birth, emigrated 1985 | Aussie husband applied UK spouse visa Jan 2015, granted March 2015, moved to UK May 2015 | Returned to Oz June 2016 "The stranger who comes home does not make himself at home but makes home itself strange." -- Rainer Maria Rilke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rtritudr 129 Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Marisawright said: Even for someone who has not allowed to access state benefits? This is not a federal benefit, it comes from the state education system. For example, NSW has this: https://www.deinternational.nsw.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/17759/17759-Application-for-Fee-Exemption-Based-on-Low-Income.pdf Edited November 27, 2020 by rtritudr Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ali 16,180 Posted November 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, rtritudr said: Right. But there are exemptions for financial hardship depending on the state. If eg she was on a bridging visa her children would be also which means they wouldn't have the same access to Uni fees (given the length of time that the visa is for) Uni loans are only for citizens. I would really look into if being on a bridging visa is classed as a temporary visa in which case she would have to pay international (not domestic) fees and with 3 children that would be alot . I just want PIO to be a happy place where people are nice to each other and unicorns poop rainbows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ali 16,180 Posted November 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, rtritudr said: This is not a federal benefit, it comes from the state education system. For example, NSW has this: https://www.deinternational.nsw.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/17759/17759-Application-for-Fee-Exemption-Based-on-Low-Income.pdf At the end of the day, our forum members are only well meaning amateur's - if she is serious about wanting to come over, she should seek some professional advise from a registered migration agent regarding potential pathways. 1 I just want PIO to be a happy place where people are nice to each other and unicorns poop rainbows Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 6,582 Posted November 27, 2020 40 minutes ago, rtritudr said: This is not a federal benefit, it comes from the state education system. For example, NSW has this: https://www.deinternational.nsw.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0011/17759/17759-Application-for-Fee-Exemption-Based-on-Low-Income.pdf You'll notice that not all bridging visa holders are eligible for that benefit either, and that they're still blocked from selective schools, extra support etc. So it's far from straightforward. Scot by birth, emigrated 1985 | Aussie husband applied UK spouse visa Jan 2015, granted March 2015, moved to UK May 2015 | Returned to Oz June 2016 "The stranger who comes home does not make himself at home but makes home itself strange." -- Rainer Maria Rilke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisawright 6,582 Posted November 27, 2020 51 minutes ago, ali said: At the end of the day, our forum members are only well meaning amateur's - if she is serious about wanting to come over, she should seek some professional advise from a registered migration agent regarding potential pathways. I agree that she should consult an agent. However, she shouldn't rely on an agent to advise on the limitations and downsides of the visa once she's in Australia. An agent's job is simply to tell her what visas she can apply for. I used to assume agents would warn people of the pitfalls but I've been told (by an agent) that it's not their job. Scot by birth, emigrated 1985 | Aussie husband applied UK spouse visa Jan 2015, granted March 2015, moved to UK May 2015 | Returned to Oz June 2016 "The stranger who comes home does not make himself at home but makes home itself strange." -- Rainer Maria Rilke Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paulhand 483 Posted November 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Marisawright said: I agree that she should consult an agent. However, she shouldn't rely on an agent to advise on the limitations and downsides of the visa once she's in Australia. An agent's job is simply to tell her what visas she can apply for. I used to assume agents would warn people of the pitfalls but I've been told (by an agent) that it's not their job. I think it’s my job to point out the pitfalls of any visa strategy and I do ... what I can’t do is advise people on matters that require other expertise (or registration) such as tax, investments and the details of any benefits that could be available. 5 ____________________________________________________________________ Paul Hand Registered Migration Agent, MARN 1801974 SunCoast Migration Ltd All comments are general in nature and do not constitute legal or migration advice. Comments may not be applicable or appropriate to your specific situation. Any comments relate to legislation and policy at date of post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites