Ollie1234 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) Crazy question. If you apply for 143 offshore, are there any visas (aside from the 3 months tourist and the 6 months 600 visa) that you are eligible to apply for to wait it out in Australia? ie is it possible to live in Australia on another visa whilst waiting for the 143 to be granted. I understand you would need to fly out and come back when the 143 is finally granted. Edited November 17, 2020 by Ollie1234 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Not a crazy question at all. There is no visa which would allow you to come and live permanently. There are temporary parent visas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 53 minutes ago, Ollie1234 said: Crazy question. If you apply for 143 offshore, are there any visas (aside from the 3 months tourist and the 6 months 600 visa) that you are eligible to apply for to wait it out in Australia? ie is it possible to live in Australia on another visa whilst waiting for the 143 to be granted. I understand you would need to fly out and come back when the 143 is finally granted. Could you apply for the 864 onshore parent visa, I think you are in Australia ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie1234 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ramot said: Could you apply for the 864 onshore parent visa, I think you are in Australia ? It's actually my parents, they are in the UK and recently applied for 143, which has been a total waste of time/money by the looks of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ollie1234 said: Crazy question. If you apply for 143 offshore, are there any visas (aside from the 3 months tourist and the 6 months 600 visa) that you are eligible to apply for to wait it out in Australia? ie is it possible to live in Australia on another visa whilst waiting for the 143 to be granted. I understand you would need to fly out and come back when the 143 is finally granted. You can buy a 3 or 5 year 870 visa. Cost $5000 per person for 3 years and $10000 per person for 5 years. Can be renewed but have to leave Australia for 3 months before renewal and can only have a maximum of 10 years and need private health insurance. Sponsor is liable to pay back any Medicare treatment given it appears. You can also apply for a 3 year 600 visa but would likely have a condition on saying only allowed 12 months stay in any 18 months so would have to be out of Australia for months at a time. They’re not keen on continually renewing 600 visas either. No other way of waiting it out onshore on 143 applications. Edited November 17, 2020 by LindaH27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie1234 Posted November 17, 2020 Author Share Posted November 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, LindaH27 said: You can buy a 3 or 5 year 870 visa. Cost $5000 per person for 3 years and $10000 per person for 5 years. Can be renewed but have to leave Australia for 3 months before renewal and can only have a maximum of 10 years and need private health insurance. Sponsor is liable to pay back any Medicare treatment given it appears. You can also apply for a 3 year 600 visa but would likely have a condition on saying only allowed 12 months stay in any 18 months so would have to be out of Australia for months at a time. They’re not keen on continually renewing 600 visas either. No other way of waiting it out onshore on 143 applications. Thanks @LindaH27 I guess only other option is to start again and apply for the 143 onshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip1 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ollie1234 said: Thanks @LindaH27 I guess only other option is to start again and apply for the 143 onshore. Pretty sure it’s not that easy. They could still get the temporary visas mentioned above but I’m sure they won’t be able to just stay for the next 10 years while waiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ollie1234 said: Thanks @LindaH27 I guess only other option is to start again and apply for the 143 onshore. Would have to be 864 - you would have to cancel the 143 and start again with 864. A couple of years or so down the line they would have to have Medicals. If they pass they’re put in a queue to wait. If not they’re deported unless they can find another visa. Don’t forget starting again also means that because it’s after 1 July 2018 there’s an added wait just to be assessed and given a queue date. It still the same queue as 143 though so it’s no quicker and may even take longer given the new queuing process it’s likely on present numbers to be around 12 years or more before they would get PR.As temporary residents they wouldn’t get full Medicare so any future-medical or aged care costs are likely to have to be paid for by the sponsor. Also there’s been a lot of talk about too many people on bridging visas so these visas could possibly be looked at more carefully in future Edited November 17, 2020 by LindaH27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Ollie1234 said: Thanks @LindaH27 I guess only other option is to start again and apply for the 143 onshore. It's an 864 if they apply onshore, but yes they could. Of course, they can't get onshore to apply until the borders open. I saw Greg Hunt on TV the other day, saying the signs were good that they might open as soon as September 2021, if the vaccines go well. You then need to consider the downsides of living on a bridging visa in Australia, which I think have already been explained to you (no benefits, no aged care, hefty fees when buying property, need to get permission every time they want to leave the country). Plus you need to consider whether they could pass the medical once they reach the processing stage in ten years or so, otherwise they need to go back to the UK and start their lives from scratch. Also, of course, the British pension is frozen from the day they arrive, but on a bridging visa, there's no access to the Australian pension to compensate. There is one other option, of course - you could go back to the UK. Edited November 17, 2020 by Marisawright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulip1 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think they also need to be over 65 (possibly 67) to apply for the one onshore, not sure if that’s an issue for your parents. It’s a shame for them and the other several thousands waiting but there’s no magical answer. With the very long queues now I think many will have to accept they either chose to live in a different country to their parents and see little of them or they return and live near them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Marisawright said: It's an 864 if they apply onshore, but yes they could. Of course, they can't get onshore to apply until the borders open. I saw Greg Hunt on TV the other day, saying the signs were good that they might open as soon as September 2021, if the vaccines go well. You then need to consider the downsides of living on a bridging visa in Australia, which I think have already been explained to you (no benefits, no aged care, hefty fees when buying property, need to get permission every time they want to leave the country). Plus you need to consider whether they could pass the medical once they reach the processing stage in ten years or so, otherwise they need to go back to the UK and start their lives from scratch. Also, of course, the British pension is frozen from the day they arrive, but on a bridging visa, there's no access to the Australian pension to compensate. There is one other option, of course - you could go back to the UK. Marisa I think you have to live in Australia for 10 years to be eligible for the Australian pension, which is also dependent on income. I haven’t really looked into the Australian pension, at a glance it says living in Australia for 10 years, but doesn’t mention PR or being a citizen for 10 years.Interesting question, answer probably in the small print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, ramot said: Marisa I think you have to live in Australia for 10 years to be eligible for the Australian pension, which is also dependent on income. I haven’t really looked into the Australian pension, at a glance it says living in Australia for 10 years, but doesn’t mention PR or being a citizen for 10 years.Interesting question, answer probably in the small print. I believe that as part of 143 and AOS you are not eligible to claim benefits for 10 years after grant of visa - assume it’s the same for 864 visa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, ramot said: Marisa I think you have to live in Australia for 10 years to be eligible for the Australian pension, which is also dependent on income. I haven’t really looked into the Australian pension, at a glance it says living in Australia for 10 years, but doesn’t mention PR or being a citizen for 10 years.Interesting question, answer probably in the small print. You are right, my point was simply that once you get PR you have to wait 10 years but then, at least, you can get something. On a bridging visa you get nothing and you still have to wait another 10 years once you've got the PR visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 40 minutes ago, LindaH27 said: I believe that as part of 143 and AOS you are not eligible to claim benefits for 10 years after grant of visa - assume it’s the same for 864 visa You are right, but we didn’t need to pay AOS or have a sponsor on the 143 pathway, The point is apparently no one can claim the Australian pension unless you have lived in Australia for 10 years, and you have to be resident and in Australia to to be eligible to claim. My query is that I wonder as I have lived here for 17+ years, irrespective of the money side, does that count or do you have to be PR or a citizen for 10 years to be eligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, ramot said: You are right, but we didn’t need to pay AOS or have a sponsor on the 143 pathway, The point is apparently no one can claim the Australian pension unless you have lived in Australia for 10 years, and you have to be resident and in Australia to to be eligible to claim. My query is that I wonder as I have lived here for 17+ years, irrespective of the money side, does that count or do you have to be PR or a citizen for 10 years to be eligible? https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension/who-can-get-it/residence-rules/residence-descriptions this seems to imply you have to have PR or be a citizen to qualify for Australian residence in order to claim any benefits but an agent may be able to comment from a more knowledgable prospective. also it’s not like UK state pension (which is solely contribution based) but more based on means testing - income and also assets. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramot Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, LindaH27 said: https://www.servicesaustralia.gov.au/individuals/services/centrelink/age-pension/who-can-get-it/residence-rules/residence-descriptions this seems to imply you have to have PR or be a citizen to qualify for Australian residence in order to claim any benefits but an agent may be able to comment from a more knowledgable prospective. also it’s not like UK state pension (which is solely contribution based) but more based on means testing - income and also assets. . Only 81/2 years to go!!! I’m not really fussed, i do know the conditions for the pension. it was only the initial wording ‘resident’ not specifying Permanent Resident, till further on, that I was only being half serious about, as I have been a legal resident in Australia, just not PR, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Collett Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 On 17/11/2020 at 20:40, Tulip1 said: I think they also need to be over 65 (possibly 67) to apply for the one onshore, not sure if that’s an issue for your parents. It’s a shame for them and the other several thousands waiting but there’s no magical answer. With the very long queues now I think many will have to accept they either chose to live in a different country to their parents and see little of them or they return and live near them. Only one parent needs to meet the aged requirement. Best regards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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