How Long before you realised that Australia was or was not the place that you wanted to spend the rest of your days ?

[Blue Flu]

31 minutes ago, bug family said:

Not really Happy Heart as you point out in one of your earlier posts, different people like different things

Manchester has always been one of my favourite cities along with Liverpool and of course London, in terms of entertainment and size you really cannot compare the two, Manchester dwarfs Mandurah, it is about the size of one of Manchester's housing estates in area, had some brilliant times in Manchester although as I have said before it does have its problem areas, I worked in the middle of moss side for a while and was warned not to stay after dark  , as cleowag points out they feel safer in Mandurah and having policed Manchester I am sure they have a really good knowledge of what went on, ....however for me I simply prefer back home warts and all

I tend to agree. While policing I'm sure poses problems a small city like Mandurah wouldn't have to deal with, on a matter of personal safety I think it different. Bigger cities like Manchester tend to have loads of people around even late at night. (at least in the centre) The lack of people in such places like so many smaller Australian cities leaves one more open to abuse or worse. 

[MARYROSE02]

6 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

End of the train line. Not that far from Perth. Indeed fast becoming part of the urban spread. This city has grown somewhat rapidly. In turn social issues blight it somewhat. It has high un/under employment and drug issuers. It can be a pleasant day trip from Perth by bus ot train, if not in mood to drive. I find it a little 'artificial' but then recall the old Mandurah when a child. 

Nice beaches . The canals are somewhat famous with the large houses lining them. Supposed to be dolphins sighted in them, but yet to spot one. 

Although the only thing I miss about England is being walking or cycling distance from the countryside,  here in OZ I want to be as close to the city as I can.

So, in Sydney that means Surry Hills, on the Gold Coast, close to Cavill Ave in Surfers Paradise,  and when I was in Perth - South Perth near to Mends St. Actually,  Northbridge reminded me a little of Surry Hills and I liked Subiaco too but I was long enough in South Perth to become fond of it.

I've been back in Surry Hills for two months after eight months in Surfers Paradise,  wondering where I want to be. I describe Surfers as "Surry Hills with a beach" because the only thing I can't walk to in Surry Hills is the beach. 

I guess Surfers is the epitome (?) of "artificial?" I'm older than most of the buildings there but I liked it all the same. I was with my brother there and I'm contemplating going back on my own for a few weeks to see how I get on. Nicer winter weather there definitely.

I don't know what to say about places becoming "dead" after 8pm. I'm single so I often go out to the pub rather than stay in but families usually make their lives inside their homes, at least after dark.  

Living out in the "burbs" is a trade off - nice house with a garden hopefully in a quiet area - my brother,  my niece, my nephew, or a flat in the inner city where I can drink till 4am if the mood takes me.

I don't know if Sydney has 24hr supermarkets like the IGA I'm Applecross? 24 hour convenience shops of course and servos with a Woolies attached. I stayed for a fortnight opposite that IGA with Raffles pub 200 metres away which I think was open to midnight which is usually late enough for me unless I want to watch the EPL. In Perth that meant the Casino.

I guess it is all subjective. 

[HappyHeart]

5 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

Neither would fit the bill for me, but Manchester I believe has improved very much and taking on a cosmopolitan vibe. Now it's been explained that Mandurah too has improved so probably cancel out one another for different reasons.  but chalk and cheese in comparison. A fair few MH (Mandurah number plate) cars in my street area over the course of a week . Usually short stays. Hardly needs explanation. Unlikely here for the cafe strip coffee.

Chalk and cheese indeed. Different worlds. 

[HappyHeart]

43 minutes ago, MARYROSE02 said:

Although the only thing I miss about England is being walking or cycling distance from the countryside,  here in OZ I want to be as close to the city as I can.

So, in Sydney that means Surry Hills, on the Gold Coast, close to Cavill Ave in Surfers Paradise,  and when I was in Perth - South Perth near to Mends St. Actually,  Northbridge reminded me a little of Surry Hills and I liked Subiaco too but I was long enough in South Perth to become fond of it.

I've been back in Surry Hills for two months after eight months in Surfers Paradise,  wondering where I want to be. I describe Surfers as "Surry Hills with a beach" because the only thing I can't walk to in Surry Hills is the beach. 

I guess Surfers is the epitome (?) of "artificial?" I'm older than most of the buildings there but I liked it all the same. I was with my brother there and I'm contemplating going back on my own for a few weeks to see how I get on. Nicer winter weather there definitely.

I don't know what to say about places becoming "dead" after 8pm. I'm single so I often go out to the pub rather than stay in but families usually make their lives inside their homes, at least after dark.  

Living out in the "burbs" is a trade off - nice house with a garden hopefully in a quiet area - my brother,  my niece, my nephew, or a flat in the inner city where I can drink till 4am if the mood takes me.

I don't know if Sydney has 24hr supermarkets like the IGA I'm Applecross? 24 hour convenience shops of course and servos with a Woolies attached. I stayed for a fortnight opposite that IGA with Raffles pub 200 metres away which I think was open to midnight which is usually late enough for me unless I want to watch the EPL. In Perth that meant the Casino.

I guess it is all subjective. 

Subjective. That's a good word MR

[HappyHeart]

2 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

I tend to agree. While policing I'm sure poses problems a small city like Mandurah wouldn't have to deal with, on a matter of personal safety I think it different. Bigger cities like Manchester tend to have loads of people around even late at night. (at least in the centre) The lack of people in such places like so many smaller Australian cities leaves one more open to abuse or worse. 

Seriously? 

[HappyHeart]

3 hours ago, bug family said:

Not really Happy Heart as you point out in one of your earlier posts, different people like different things

Manchester has always been one of my favourite cities along with Liverpool and of course London, in terms of entertainment and size you really cannot compare the two, Manchester dwarfs Mandurah, it is about the size of one of Manchester's housing estates in area, had some brilliant times in Manchester although as I have said before it does have its problem areas, I worked in the middle of moss side for a while and was warned not to stay after dark  , as cleowag points out they feel safer in Mandurah and having policed Manchester I am sure they have a really good knowledge of what went on, ....however for me I simply prefer back home warts and all

Absolutely. Very valid observations. Subjective indeed. For me....no contest. I'm from near Manchester, hubby's family came from Wythenshaw. Gritty place. Would I live there? No thank you. Good for a night out though and a bit of shopping. Student life etc. 

[Blue Flu]

37 minutes ago, MARYROSE02 said:

Although the only thing I miss about England is being walking or cycling distance from the countryside,  here in OZ I want to be as close to the city as I can.

So, in Sydney that means Surry Hills, on the Gold Coast, close to Cavill Ave in Surfers Paradise,  and when I was in Perth - South Perth near to Mends St. Actually,  Northbridge reminded me a little of Surry Hills and I liked Subiaco too but I was long enough in South Perth to become fond of it.

I've been back in Surry Hills for two months after eight months in Surfers Paradise,  wondering where I want to be. I describe Surfers as "Surry Hills with a beach" because the only thing I can't walk to in Surry Hills is the beach. 

I guess Surfers is the epitome (?) of "artificial?" I'm older than most of the buildings there but I liked it all the same. I was with my brother there and I'm contemplating going back on my own for a few weeks to see how I get on. Nicer winter weather there definitely.

I don't know what to say about places becoming "dead" after 8pm. I'm single so I often go out to the pub rather than stay in but families usually make their lives inside their homes, at least after dark.  

Living out in the "burbs" is a trade off - nice house with a garden hopefully in a quiet area - my brother,  my niece, my nephew, or a flat in the inner city where I can drink till 4am if the mood takes me.

I don't know if Sydney has 24hr supermarkets like the IGA I'm Applecross? 24 hour convenience shops of course and servos with a Woolies attached. I stayed for a fortnight opposite that IGA with Raffles pub 200 metres away which I think was open to midnight which is usually late enough for me unless I want to watch the EPL. In Perth that meant the Casino.

I guess it is all subjective. 

Walkability is certainly a major point missed about London. I'm with you on being close to the city as possible. Hence prefer inner city. I know Applecross well. I lived two years beside the river. But found myself generally passing time in Fremantle or Perth. 

I've never been to Surfers but have been looking at property there and Sunshine Coast as well as Cairns. My desire is to get away from the infestation of drugs in the sense of production in inner city Perth. It is everywhere and apparently getting worse.  (not too overt though) but I've learnt it is very bad at Surfers and FNQ so will stick it out here until travel restrictions lift and think to relocate overseas. 

I thought Surfers was more the younger crowd? Loud  and brash and schoolies and short term party rents? Sunshine Coast a bit more in tune with the older gent? I thought you had made a parmanent move to SP? Are you remaining in Surry Hills? 

What were your overall conclusions regarding Perth after your second visit? I thought I detected less enthusiasm after second visit?  It is often hard to go back to a place once known. 

[Blue Flu]

9 minutes ago, HappyHeart said:

Seriously? 

Very much so. Don't find small town Australia by any means trouble free. Perth neither for that matter. England again a mixed bag. Experienced more 'serious' incidents around violence in England, but far, far more abusive and potential incidents of violence here. But I used to be out and about a lot very late and regular on late night trains. 

[HappyHeart]

5 minutes ago, Blue Flu said:

Very much so. Don't find small town Australia by any means trouble free. Perth neither for that matter. England again a mixed bag. Experienced more 'serious' incidents around violence in England, but far, far more abusive and potential incidents of violence here. But I used to be out and about a lot very late and regular on late night trains. 

All good. Not our experience though. Trouble and danger out and about a fact of life. Maybe we're just too old to be aware of the trouble spots these days....

[Paul1Perth]

On 08/05/2021 at 06:07, MARYROSE02 said:

Isn't Mandurah something of a seaside resort, on the motorway,  not that far from.Perth. I'm sure I went there. 

A bit like that. Lovely houses backing on to canals with their own boat ramp and big boat to go with it.

A lot of FIFO workers went to live down there I think. 

[Paul1Perth]

23 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

I'm afraid deserted town centres are pretty much the norm here after a certain time (not necessary very late either) We were in Albany five months back and passed all of two people walking up the main drag at a quarter to eight on a Friday night. It's just how it is and unlikely to change.

Now the problem with meths (ice) is a major concern and getting worse. You are correct Mandurah is termed Methdurah for that reason. It's not only there of course, but much of the South Coast of WA is experiencing a meth drug problem of some proportion. Bunbury was very bad a few years back. Has it improved a little? No idea but easy to obtain everywhere. 

I would have thought that those working in a hospital setting or indeed in the area of mental health, would be very aware of the major problems being experienced in that area due to meth (ice) and other drugs.

Perth was the world capital of meth abuse until Adelaide grabbed the title a few years back. (check out a Channel 9 expose on You Tube showing the problem in Murray Bridge SA) poor reflection on those places in my opinion. Just to round off on that matter, it is very prominent in the inner city where I live. I can point to many houses (alleged) manufacturing this (from home) as was pointed out to me in only recent months, after experiencing living next door to  one that shall we say lost the plot. Not pleasant. Reason enough to want to leave. I have spoken to Property Management companies and they state it is everywhere. Thing being many don't necessary realize they are if they keep under the radar, kiddies, child things in display like swings and prams and bikes  animals etc)

I'm not sure about UK beach towns. I've witnessed quite a lot of anti social activity over the years but there remains an attraction to the English seaside. (no idea about Welsh, but looks very pleasant) so uniquely Englishness on display. My main knowledge though is living many decades ago close to Brighton and a rather large drug problem in that city. (nothing like meth (ice) and the violence stemming from that though) 

We were down in Albany a couple of weekends ago. Was surprisingly lively as no-one can travel so places like Albany are booked out. Stayed at the Dog Rock motel, a lot nicer than it sounds.

We went out pretty early to see where we could watch the West Coast Eagles game Friday night. Chose the 6 degrees pub on the main front, across from the entertainment centre. 

Blues club in the pub, nice friendly, lively place and Dave Hole was playing in the entertainment centre across the road. Thought about going to see him but the wife isn't really into heavy slide guitar blues and it was about $50. Only $10 to get in the 6 degrees blues club.

The ANZAC museum is really worth a visit, they've done a great job with that. Went out to castle rock in the perongarups, another place worth a visit, 2.5km walk straight up then a scramble up rocks and a ladder to the walkway they've built round the granite at the top. Wife's scared of heights so I couldn't get her to do the ladder and walkway.

The gap was as spectacular as I remembered from about 20 years before. A big walkway over that now though, see through the walkway to the crashing waves below.

Whaling station was also very good and called at a nice gin distillery on the way back into Albany. Could have done with a few more days down there.

[Paul1Perth]

23 hours ago, Cleowag said:

I live in Mandurah so thought I should stick up for it!

First of all though, I feel for you Mr Bug Family and I’m sorry about how unsettled you feel.

We moved here 6 years ago after living in Manchester. So we were used to nightlife- and lots of it!

We did find Mandurah a bit of a culture shock at first as it was pretty quiet but  it it’s definitely improving. There are more cafes and bars springing up and the nightlife is a little busier after 9pm now. On a Sunday morning it is very hectic at the foreshore trying to find a place for brunch.

When we feel a bit homesick, we just look at the stunning waterways ( and yes, lots of dolphins) and views and are reminded how thankful we are to be here.

As for meth, it’s a problem in lots of places all over Oz. I was in the police for a long time in Manchester and I truly feel safer in Mandurah on a day to day basis.

Mandurah is on the up and we can’t wait to see the improvements over the next few years.

My wife was a health visitor in Moss Side before we emigrated and we used to go into Manchester a fair bit. I went to uni in Birmingham too, so when people mention drugs or feeling unsafe in Northbridge or somewhere I have plenty to compare it with and Perth comes out well in front.

I have 2 boys, 31 and 26. The eldest has travelled a lot and tells me there are plenty of drugs that you can get in Perth and surrounds, like any City the world over. Same as when I was young, different drugs maybe. He lived in Whistler, Canada for 2 years and the worst drug problems he's ever seen (and us too when we visited) was Vancouver. It's almost as if the cops have given up on half the City and just let the druggies take over.

[Paul1Perth]

16 hours ago, HappyHeart said:

Absolutely. Very valid observations. Subjective indeed. For me....no contest. I'm from near Manchester, hubby's family came from Wythenshaw. Gritty place. Would I live there? No thank you. Good for a night out though and a bit of shopping. Student life etc. 

And a good curry.

[Paul1Perth]

16 hours ago, Blue Flu said:

Walkability is certainly a major point missed about London. I'm with you on being close to the city as possible. Hence prefer inner city. I know Applecross well. I lived two years beside the river. But found myself generally passing time in Fremantle or Perth. 

I've never been to Surfers but have been looking at property there and Sunshine Coast as well as Cairns. My desire is to get away from the infestation of drugs in the sense of production in inner city Perth. It is everywhere and apparently getting worse.  (not too overt though) but I've learnt it is very bad at Surfers and FNQ so will stick it out here until travel restrictions lift and think to relocate overseas. 

I thought Surfers was more the younger crowd? Loud  and brash and schoolies and short term party rents? Sunshine Coast a bit more in tune with the older gent? I thought you had made a parmanent move to SP? Are you remaining in Surry Hills? 

What were your overall conclusions regarding Perth after your second visit? I thought I detected less enthusiasm after second visit?  It is often hard to go back to a place once known. 

You'll never get away from drug problems wherever you go. Not that I really notice any where we live or are bothered by it. 

Wrong age bracket now for dealers to come and ask if you want any. I'm sure my eldest could get anything he wanted and probably knows where and how. You just have to hope they have enough sense to keep away from them. I guess working FIFO, where they get checked every swing is enough to make you think twice.

The first place I was ever approached and asked if I wanted to buy anything was London. On a school trip in the 60's. 

3 of the guys I shared a house with at uni were spending 10 quid a day on dope. Rich parents.

[MacGyver]

Due to the nature of my work I've spent a lot of hours in and out of houses in the "worst" and "most dangerous" areas in WA and Scotland. The presenting issues, violence and drug use are very similar and one isn't better or worse than the other. My experience (which is subjective of course) is that drug use was far more pronounced in Scotland, but the type of drug use in Perth (Meth) makes it more noticeable for some people who might have walked past multiple heroin users in the UK and not have noticed.

I've seen significantly more violence in Scotland than I have ever seen in Perth, and feel significantly safer wandering the streets at night in Perth than I did in Glasgow. Yes there are areas to avoid at night, but a bit of common sense in both places keeps you safe. If youre out drinking until 4am in busy areas you will see and/or experiecne violence in both places due to the evil of alcohol (I drink myself but it really is a foul poison on society). Drugs and alcohol are everywhere and the effects of them are felt everywhere, sadly. 

[Paul1Perth]

1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

Due to the nature of my work I've spent a lot of hours in and out of houses in the "worst" and "most dangerous" areas in WA and Scotland. The presenting issues, violence and drug use are very similar and one isn't better or worse than the other. My experience (which is subjective of course) is that drug use was far more pronounced in Scotland, but the type of drug use in Perth (Meth) makes it more noticeable for some people who might have walked past multiple heroin users in the UK and not have noticed.

I've seen significantly more violence in Scotland than I have ever seen in Perth, and feel significantly safer wandering the streets at night in Perth than I did in Glasgow. Yes there are areas to avoid at night, but a bit of common sense in both places keeps you safe. If youre out drinking until 4am in busy areas you will see and/or experiecne violence in both places due to the evil of alcohol (I drink myself but it really is a foul poison on society). Drugs and alcohol are everywhere and the effects of them are felt everywhere, sadly. 

I think alcohol can be fine for most people. It just makes me happier and want a good time and a laugh.

I had a few friends though that it had a bad affect on, they got angry, moody and wanted to cause trouble. Eventually learned to not go out with them and mix with the friends who were like me.

Still like a drink and always felt it was a lot safer than any drug.

[Blue Flu]

5 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

You'll never get away from drug problems wherever you go. Not that I really notice any where we live or are bothered by it. 

Wrong age bracket now for dealers to come and ask if you want any. I'm sure my eldest could get anything he wanted and probably knows where and how. You just have to hope they have enough sense to keep away from them. I guess working FIFO, where they get checked every swing is enough to make you think twice.

The first place I was ever approached and asked if I wanted to buy anything was London. On a school trip in the 60's. 

3 of the guys I shared a house with at uni were spending 10 quid a day on dope. Rich parents.

WE can't really avoid it. It has entrenched itself and probable impossible or near as to move on. They don't directly bother us (previously had severe altercations with neighbours, but another story, they have moved on but was very feral to say the least )   It's not a matter of being asked to buy meth. These as I think I expressed  are very middle class people who hold professional jobs or very clean cut looking students in the main. We are not talking the odd house or two but well lets say we know the score. I'm sure lots of mummies and daddies would be shocked if only they knew. 

As for FIFO , meth, as I understand does not show up in testing That's a reason it is so popular with those workers. But it seems popular across the board, many seem to hold professional jobs with no ill effects visible. With WA being one of the top hot spots in the world, I'd say it is a major problem. It is shocking Down South. Believe me contacts in Albany I approached when there some months ago even know some of  the houses suspected of making it. Bunbury was an absolute shocker a few years back, expect it still bad. 

I knew of the drug scene in London rather well . But back in the day it wasn't the drugs that provoke aggression and violence. There was nasty stuff like the Big H (smack) cocaine was easy to get hold of, hash could be scored in a matter of minutes, but not the stuff that provoked as mentioned.  Even today, with all UK's drug problems , meth (ice) barely features. 

If you came to my street you may well wonder what the fuss is. It is not in your face so to speak, nor junkies. It is seemingly  about greed and making money. It is loading it into cars and so on. 

If I did not end up with the neighbours that rented for a year and brought utter mayhem to what was a quiet street , I probably would have little insight into meth (ice) in the way I do know. If a near neighbour hadn't knocked on my door and underlined the severe nature of the meth problem, I would not have known of its severity in how widespread in the area it is. 

Australia though does have a very serious issue with meth (ice) it should not be passed off as just another drug that a few kids to and it is no different when we were that age. This is far bigger. Many levels of involvement with serious longer term effects on society. 

Sadly I had no idea just how bad this was until it came to my street.  I will certainly be looking to leave the inner city but most unclear as to where to locate. Property Managers whom I've been in contact with say it is everywhere. Nothing they can or will do. (most places are kept well. Next door lost the plot and loads of violence but still lasted out their year lease plus extra)  

Edited May 10, 2021 by Blue Flu

[MARYROSE02]

On 09/05/2021 at 20:36, HappyHeart said:

Subjective. That's a good word MR

Yes,  "Subjective" so wherever you are thinking of going or staying, read the reviews and if enough people say the same thing it may lean towards the truth!?

I have been reading reviews of apartment/hotels in Surfers Paradise. There's one called "Chateau" which is in excellent location on the beach. I went in a couple of the flats. I had two mates who rented there, long term, not holiday rental,  so I've got an idea. I know it's dated now but it's relatively cheap $750 a week (less for long term half that or less). I may go there.

But when does "Subjective" become biased or prejudiced or untrue? Whom do you believe?

I might go back to Perth for another look, see how I get on with my friend there whom I've not seen for 3 years. 

More choices  -  Sydney (Surry Hills), Surfers Paradise,  or South Perth!?

[Marisawright]

32 minutes ago, MARYROSE02 said:

But when does "Subjective" become biased or prejudiced or untrue? Whom do you believe?

As you say, you have to read as many reviews as you can and make your own judgments.   Of course, some people will be biased or prejudiced. Also -- and more importantly - people have different tastes, so for instance, what would be a paradise to a person who likes peace and quiet, would be deadly boring to a person who likes lots of action.

Ideally, you want to get opinions from people like yourself, who hold the same biases/prejudices/tastes. Then you know your reactions are likely to be similar.

I think one of the biggest problems, when trying to make a decision, is being influenced by people saying what you SHOULD like.  I have several friends who assume that everyone would love to Escape to the Country (or at least, to a lovely leafy suburb).  They were always encouraging us to retire early so we could escape the grotty inner-city.  We actually enjoy living in the inner city and would hate to live somewhere quieter, but it's funny how people's expectations can nag at you

 

[MARYROSE02]

On 09/05/2021 at 20:46, Blue Flu said:

Walkability is certainly a major point missed about London. I'm with you on being close to the city as possible. Hence prefer inner city. I know Applecross well. I lived two years beside the river. But found myself generally passing time in Fremantle or Perth. 

I've never been to Surfers but have been looking at property there and Sunshine Coast as well as Cairns. My desire is to get away from the infestation of drugs in the sense of production in inner city Perth. It is everywhere and apparently getting worse.  (not too overt though) but I've learnt it is very bad at Surfers and FNQ so will stick it out here until travel restrictions lift and think to relocate overseas. 

I thought Surfers was more the younger crowd? Loud  and brash and schoolies and short term party rents? Sunshine Coast a bit more in tune with the older gent? I thought you had made a parmanent move to SP? Are you remaining in Surry Hills? 

What were your overall conclusions regarding Perth after your second visit? I thought I detected less enthusiasm after second visit?  It is often hard to go back to a place once known. 

I just spent 15 minutes typing one fingered on my phone,  pressed something and lost it!

I'll be briefer. You are right about second visit to Perth.  I went in Dec 17 for 7 weeks, staying 6 of them in South Perth. I decided to come back in May with a view to asking for a transfer with my employer (Commonwealth Govt Dept) I had a friend there but I fell out In a big way with her.  I fell out with her the first visit. 

Anyway, after that I was in strange mood. I had 2 weeks in Applecross,  a week in Northbridge,  a week in the country and a week in South Perth. I guess I gradually concluded that although I liked Perth, Sydney was home and if I stayed in Perth I would be "Living" there not on holiday. (Same feeling some of us get going to UK on holiday especially in spring/summer, "This is GREAT! I want to "live" here. I did that too! Went for a holiday and stayed 12 years. )

The difference with Surfers is I started 8 months so began to "live" there but 2nd time around could be different. 

Surfers is as you describe it but it is different too, quieter during the week, busy weekends.  I liked the contrast and as a "local" I could ignore it. Other parts of Surfers are quieter. I rather like Main Beach, a little more sophisticated.  Noosa is different too though I've not been there for a long time.

Surfers had everything I wanted within a small square  beach, doctor, dentist, pubs , restaurants,  shops,  and the excellent tram service.  

Drugs are always around but I wasn't aware of people pushing them.  I knew guys in SP who did coke.  I know guys who do it here and pot. Occasionally I'm tempted to

have a toke. For me there are illegal drugs and legal drugs with booze and fags far worse but legal.

I bumped into RE agent coming out of my complex and he looked at my unit. Said it would rent,  maybe freshen up with paint.  So, I may rent it if I decide I like Surfers.  I've also decided to sell house in UK and use the money, well SPEND it.

What is your intention? To move somewhere else?

[MARYROSE02]

14 minutes ago, Marisawright said:

As you say, you have to read as many reviews as you can and make your own judgments.   Of course, some people will be biased or prejudiced. Also -- and more importantly - people have different tastes, so for instance, what would be a paradise to a person who likes peace and quiet, would be deadly boring to a person who likes lots of action.

Ideally, you want to get opinions from people like yourself, who hold the same biases/prejudices/tastes. Then you know your reactions are likely to be similar.

I think one of the biggest problems, when trying to make a decision, is being influenced by people saying what you SHOULD like.  I have several friends who assume that everyone would love to Escape to the Country (or at least, to a lovely leafy suburb).  They were always encouraging us to retire early so we could escape the grotty inner-city.  We actually enjoy living in the inner city and would hate to live somewhere quieter, but it's funny how people's expectations can nag at you

 

Yes, I feel the same way about the inner city. Surry Hills is like a village in some respects with some very quiet streets away from the traffic yet walking distance to the "action" in Crown St.

Living in the burbs can also be pleasant but a different sort of pleasant and you almost certainly need a car for every adult because it's too far to walk to the shops. 

Here, the cafe is downstairs from my flat as is the 7-11. My fave restaurant is 50 metres and pub 100 metres.  I've driven a car once in two months and been on the tram twice,  no bus or train.

Better to go for a weekend if you want the country and definitely not on holiday weekend. I don't get it. Two days in 12 hour traffic jams on Friday and Monday for Sat and Sun away (Easter) better to stay in the city.

I liked Surfers, not for the clubs and pubs although I did go to some of them but everything else, 3 supermarkets easy walking distance.  Two or three minutes, tram stop same. Beach same, doctor, dentist.  My brother hated the weekend crowds but I rather liked observing the excitement. 

Oh, reading those reviews there are always some who seem determined to whinge too!? The staff are rude, the food cold, the wait long etc ad nauseam.

I read reviews of Surry Hills and thought "OMG I'm living in hell and I didn't know it.:

[Blue Flu]

On 10/05/2021 at 10:31, Paul1Perth said:

We were down in Albany a couple of weekends ago. Was surprisingly lively as no-one can travel so places like Albany are booked out. Stayed at the Dog Rock motel, a lot nicer than it sounds.

We went out pretty early to see where we could watch the West Coast Eagles game Friday night. Chose the 6 degrees pub on the main front, across from the entertainment centre. 

Blues club in the pub, nice friendly, lively place and Dave Hole was playing in the entertainment centre across the road. Thought about going to see him but the wife isn't really into heavy slide guitar blues and it was about $50. Only $10 to get in the 6 degrees blues club.

The ANZAC museum is really worth a visit, they've done a great job with that. Went out to castle rock in the perongarups, another place worth a visit, 2.5km walk straight up then a scramble up rocks and a ladder to the walkway they've built round the granite at the top. Wife's scared of heights so I couldn't get her to do the ladder and walkway.

The gap was as spectacular as I remembered from about 20 years before. A big walkway over that now though, see through the walkway to the crashing waves below.

Whaling station was also very good and called at a nice gin distillery on the way back into Albany. Could have done with a few more days down there.

It was booked out pretty much back in December as well, when we stayed a few weeks in the region. (both Albany and Denmark) First weekend was the Festival with York Street, the main street closed and plenty of activity. Good but shut down a little early I thought. Quite probably why only passing two people the following Friday , walking up and back down York Street, at a quarter to nine came as such a shock. 

Eating places were doing quite a reasonable business. 6 Degrees is good. I wonder if they still have the Peruvian chief? Next door White Star also very good. Menu changed a little from pervious trip and partner a little disappointed her favourite no longer available on menu. But both worthy ale houses, big change from the rather rough beer barns of decades back that's for sure. 

We sometimes go to Albany purely to see something at the Entertainment Centre there. Due South is next to it and ideal in location by Princess Royal Harbour. Great place to watch the sunset sitting outside. Acoustics are not great so not a great fan of sitting inside. The food is hit and miss  as well. Good selection of local wine (region produces some great wines) But even in moody weather , which can be often in Albany sitting outside, wrapped up viewing the vista is none too bad. 

The new Hotel next to there on the foreshore should have been opened by now (Hilton) but I believe they are building a further story. (floor) Also The Premier Hotel in York Street should be opening any week now for business. They've done what looks like a good job at restoring it with the verandah upstairs. The original was deliberately burnt down by the owner.  Insurance job. Not great loss in a way as somewhat rough in the past.

Yep ANZAC museum and restaurant up there worth visiting. Climb up to the memorial for a stunning vista over Albany. Albany is said to be home to  one of the finest natural harbours in the world. I believe only Rio beats it. Or at least that the story they spin in those parts.

Don't forget Middleton Beach. When not covered in seaweed, as can be at certain times of year is a great beach for walking. Walk to Emu Point and back then breakfast ay Bay Merchants and do The Broadwalk to town. Great views of The Sound and Harbour and stop off at the French La Gourmandaise (near 6 Degrees) for lunch. 

Yes a lot of money has been spent on The Gap. I'm divided as to if money well spent. Never been to Frenchmans Bay Whaling Museum, as find it expensive what they want. But used to go to the station as a kid, when it was in operation and can recall to smell to this day. 

Albany resembles somewhat an English seaside town I've always thought. I guess the weather and 7% of the population born in England helps maintain that somewhat. The Earl of Spencer an English theme pub in town, is usually voted one of the best in town. We were not impressed on last visit, but corvid  had resulted in odd hours and many tables not being in use.

All in all a decent little city. Just crack down on the meth (ice) problem there and other drugs, close that dreadful niteclub (was it really voted the worst in the Southern Hemisphere?) and the city's estimation will rise in my eyes. 

[Blue Flu]

28 minutes ago, MARYROSE02 said:

I just spent 15 minutes typing one fingered on my phone,  pressed something and lost it!

I'll be briefer. You are right about second visit to Perth.  I went in Dec 17 for 7 weeks, staying 6 of them in South Perth. I decided to come back in May with a view to asking for a transfer with my employer (Commonwealth Govt Dept) I had a friend there but I fell out In a big way with her.  I fell out with her the first visit. 

Anyway, after that I was in strange mood. I had 2 weeks in Applecross,  a week in Northbridge,  a week in the country and a week in South Perth. I guess I gradually concluded that although I liked Perth, Sydney was home and if I stayed in Perth I would be "Living" there not on holiday. (Same feeling some of us get going to UK on holiday especially in spring/summer, "This is GREAT! I want to "live" here. I did that too! Went for a holiday and stayed 12 years. )

The difference with Surfers is I started 8 months so began to "live" there but 2nd time around could be different. 

Surfers is as you describe it but it is different too, quieter during the week, busy weekends.  I liked the contrast and as a "local" I could ignore it. Other parts of Surfers are quieter. I rather like Main Beach, a little more sophisticated.  Noosa is different too though I've not been there for a long time.

Surfers had everything I wanted within a small square  beach, doctor, dentist, pubs , restaurants,  shops,  and the excellent tram service.  

Drugs are always around but I wasn't aware of people pushing them.  I knew guys in SP who did coke.  I know guys who do it here and pot. Occasionally I'm tempted to

have a toke. For me there are illegal drugs and legal drugs with booze and fags far worse but legal.

I bumped into RE agent coming out of my complex and he looked at my unit. Said it would rent,  maybe freshen up with paint.  So, I may rent it if I decide I like Surfers.  I've also decided to sell house in UK and use the money, well SPEND it.

What is your intention? To move somewhere else?

I'd say you made the right decision. I think it would be hard for a late middle aged man to reestablish in Perth. If things had proved to turn out differently with your 'friend, well who knows? I would not describe Perth as an  open sort of place by any means. I imagine Surfers, due to the constant ebb and flow of short term arrivals, as well as those that have relocated from other states to create a different vibe to say Perth. I know there is a drug  problem of some proportion over there. That's something I would be very wary off, after past two years of experincing it first hand and in your face in Perth. 

I walked around Surry Hills when last in Sydney. It didn't have the vibe of my favourite location in London, but better than inner Perth, with more on offer.  Right idea with regards to spending the money after selling UK house. A house is worthless if not utilizing its capital. Okay you get a rental return , but from my experience having property abroad is hard work . Hard to get help with problem tenants.  Taxed on income earned from it . As rented out still have to pay accommodation bills when viewing, to which can no longer get a tax concession for. 

Besides all that when one gets to a certain age, it is time to wind down and spend the lucre on enjoyment in which form that may take. The virus has totally disrupted my planning. An extensive stay in Europe/UK/North America last year all had to be obviously abandoned. I'm most uncertain as to if I want to retire in Australia. I've some ideas but keeping them to my chest at the moment. But for a time I even entertained the idea of Orkney or similar in far north Scotland.

[Marisawright]

41 minutes ago, MARYROSE02 said:

Yes, I feel the same way about the inner city. Surry Hills is like a village in some respects with some very quiet streets away from the traffic yet walking distance to the "action" in Crown ...

I liked Surfers....

I wonder if you're asking yourself the wrong question?   Why do you think you have to go anywhere next?  What's wrong with staying exactly where you are and enjoying it?

[Toots]

45 minutes ago, Blue Flu said:

But for a time I even entertained the idea of Orkney or similar in far north Scotland.

You would find it pretty hard going weather-wise during the long winter.  Even me who loves Scotland would avoid a wintertime there.

Edited May 11, 2021 by Toots