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2 hours ago, kungfustu said:

I know exactly what type they are.....I have one in my family in the form of a 25 year old niece who has spent the best part of her adult life (so far) in education.....mainly because she does not want to get a job.....was raised in a very middle class house.....went to private school.....then onto Cambridge where she received a monthly allowance from her parents to assist her through university.....apart from being a very outspoken Momentum supporter......she now spends a lot of time globe trotting around the world intermixed with long periods in China where she has friends.....she skis several times a year but has never had what you would call a proper full time job.....most of her very extravagant life is subsidised by my brother and his wife.....yet she was one of those people that walked into the voting station chanting "ohhh Jeremy Corrrrrrbyn"......I saw them at Christmas where she tried preaching to me about communism and socialism......lol......she revels in the knowledge that her father was raised in a council house to a single parent for long periods in a family that would probably be considered as living well below the poverty line in todays standards yet she has spent her whole life being spoon fed and really to be honest does not know her ar@e from her elbow.....but she is  my niece and I love her for that.....I am just waiting for it to all to suddenly dawn on her.....she is after all a very intelligent girl.

Your niece is a member of the champagne socialist club or one of the liberal elite.  😉  

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21 hours ago, simmo said:

Sad times we live in.
Saw this at guy's hospital today.Screenshot_20200612_144340.jpegIMG_20200612_114613.jpeg

 

Winston Churchill's statue has been totally boxed in.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Toots said:

 

Winston Churchill's statue has been totally boxed in.

 

 

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It’s all so sad and sickening. 

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4 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

It’s all so sad and sickening. 

There are also calls for a statue of Captain Cook to be removed here.  This removal of statues could be never ending world wide.  It's just getting silly.

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Oh look, it's barely even noon and those "brave" men who descended on London today to "protect" war memorials from non-existent threats are already throwing not just bottles and debris at the police, but Nazi salutes too.

 

Nazi salutes. While claiming to protect Churchill and our war dead. Yep, this is how stupid those who shout loudest about their British "patriotism" are.

 

Also note the distinct lack of masks amongst these entitled pricks, in direct contrast to the largely peaceful BLM protests last week, where pretty much everyone at least took precautions. Will these clowns receive the same criticism from those of you who have spent the last week blaming a potential second wave on the BLM demonstrations as well as sharing innocuous crap about "erasing history" and the film White Chicks?

 

Of course not. And we all know why.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163553639845704&id=511665703

 

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13 hours ago, Toots said:

 

Winston Churchill's statue has been totally boxed in.

 

 

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Why the surprise?

Churchill's opinion on Native Americans or aboriginal Australians as "a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place".

His words "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,"

Whilst part of the UK's history and should in no way be eradicated maybe Churchill's statue should be in a museum where it won't cause offence to some.

 

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14 minutes ago, Sandgroper said:

Why the surprise?

Churchill's opinion on Native Americans or aboriginal Australians as "a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place".

His words "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,"

Whilst part of the UK's history and should in no way be eradicated maybe Churchill's statue should be in a museum where it won't cause offence to some.

 

No one was offended before 2 weeks ago.

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53 minutes ago, Sandgroper said:

Why the surprise?

Churchill's opinion on Native Americans or aboriginal Australians as "a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place".

His words "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,"

Whilst part of the UK's history and should in no way be eradicated maybe Churchill's statue should be in a museum where it won't cause offence to some.

 

He was of an era when Britons tended to take their own national and moral superiority for granted.  Unfortunately a lot of people then thought that way.

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1 hour ago, Parley said:

No one was offended before 2 weeks ago.

I've always thought Churchill a bit of a dick.

Strategically his reasons for fighting ww2 were rather pathetic. He fully expected the UK to go out in a blaze of glory.

He got lucky when Hitler turned to Russia, or he always knew Hitler would turn to Russia, in which case why continue the war with Germany?

So he was either foolhardy or callous.

Whether or not he was a racist is insignificant to the fact that he was an idiot who got lucky.

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15 hours ago, unzippy said:

Oh look, it's barely even noon and those "brave" men who descended on London today to "protect" war memorials from non-existent threats are already throwing not just bottles and debris at the police, but Nazi salutes too.

 

Nazi salutes. While claiming to protect Churchill and our war dead. Yep, this is how stupid those who shout loudest about their British "patriotism" are.

 

Also note the distinct lack of masks amongst these entitled pricks, in direct contrast to the largely peaceful BLM protests last week, where pretty much everyone at least took precautions. Will these clowns receive the same criticism from those of you who have spent the last week blaming a potential second wave on the BLM demonstrations as well as sharing innocuous crap about "erasing history" and the film White Chicks?

 

Of course not. And we all know why.

 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10163553639845704&id=511665703

 

never been to a football match?.  Nazi salutes don't usually have a pointy finger on the end. 

Seen the footage from different angles.  Looks like you fell for fake news race baiters.

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15 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Why?

Do you see it as happy and glorious then 🤔

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7 hours ago, Sandgroper said:

Why the surprise?

Churchill's opinion on Native Americans or aboriginal Australians as "a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place".

His words "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes,"

Whilst part of the UK's history and should in no way be eradicated maybe Churchill's statue should be in a museum where it won't cause offence to some.

 

A great wartime leader with an ability to motivate but he came with a giant ego and was a product of his class, a great believe in British superiority and an inability to move with the times which lost the Tories the '45 election, his belief in The British Empire delayed the freeing of it which made the process a bloody business and contributed to the UK never benefiting from the empire's demise.

Imagine if he had supported Indian independence in the 30's or even in the 40's the difference that could have made to the British economy.

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7 hours ago, Toots said:

He was of an era when Britons tended to take their own national and moral superiority for granted.  Unfortunately a lot of people then thought that way.

Yes, like they do at the moment.

Sorry but that is a fact.

Churchill  was a product of his class, a giant ego, irascible and curmudgeonly whose time came for him, without the war history's opinion of him would have been very different. 

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7 hours ago, Parley said:

No one was offended before 2 weeks ago.

A lot of people were, but their voices were not heard

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7 hours ago, newjez said:

I've always thought Churchill a bit of a dick.

Strategically his reasons for fighting ww2 were rather pathetic. He fully expected the UK to go out in a blaze of glory.

He got lucky when Hitler turned to Russia, or he always knew Hitler would turn to Russia, in which case why continue the war with Germany?

So he was either foolhardy or callous.

Whether or not he was a racist is insignificant to the fact that he was an idiot who got lucky.

His reasoning was that seeking peace in '40  meant that the UK would have had to accept German terms wholesale, his reasoning was to fight on and try to get better terms later if they had to sue for peace.

He won the argument and then his nationalism overwhelmed any counter arguments and he pursued all out war regardless when he could have probably negotiated peace with German army who were becoming disaffected from Nazism, it was exactly the same character defect that caused the Dardanells fiasco, prevented a negotiated withdrawal from Empire, he thought he knew best.

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Amazing, last weeks "largely peaceful protests" resulted in 27 police officers injured, but yesterday's    "violent London protests" resulted in 6 police officers injured!!!

Time to defund the BBC, not fit for purpose.  

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4 hours ago, simmo said:

never been to a football match?.  Nazi salutes don't usually have a pointy finger on the end. 

Seen the footage from different angles.  Looks like you fell for fake news race baiters.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-53040301

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54 minutes ago, amibovered said:

Amazing, last weeks "largely peaceful protests" resulted in 27 police officers injured, but yesterday's    "violent London protests" resulted in 6 police officers injured!!!

Time to defund the BBC, not fit for purpose.  

What were the attendance numbers?

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This is the root of many of this country's problems - shit rags like the mail, express and sun. Divisive, baseless lies dressed up as journalism, swallowed whole and treated as gospel by the credulous masses.

 

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Half these people who came out were just looking for a bit of social interaction after the isolation- both sides, right and left. Most of them seemed to be just looking for an excuse to let off steam.Not talking about the Americans, they have a different scenario there and have done since the beginning.

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11 hours ago, Parley said:

No one was offended before 2 weeks ago.

Really? People have found Churchill divisive for years...you just seem to like the nice bits of UK history. Aussies of UK heritage tend to do that!

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6 hours ago, simmo said:

never been to a football match?.  Nazi salutes don't usually have a pointy finger on the end. 

Seen the footage from different angles.  Looks like you fell for fake news race baiters.

Hilarious not a Nazi salute in sight 🤣 

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Are these two Nazi's or racists?

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Jeremy Corbyn on the EU  " A European bureaucracy totally unaccountable to anybody"

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4 hours ago, amibovered said:

Amazing, last weeks "largely peaceful protests" resulted in 27 police officers injured, but yesterday's    "violent London protests" resulted in 6 police officers injured!!!

Time to defund the BBC, not fit for purpose.  

Hmmmmm, just checking

The facts are a bit different

https://fullfact.org/online/blm-protest-london-pictures/

And 100 arrests yesterday and 29 arrests the previous weekend

The week previous there were 14 injuries actually and as there was no seperation between the 2 sets of demonstrators  no one knows whether it was far right groups who started the violence last week, however yesterday it was clearly far right violence.

The previous week BLM demonstrations were confronted with mounted police but not the far right knuckle draggers yesterday.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-52954899

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