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The UK and Australian governments are saying you don't need to wear a face mask, and good luck finding any anyway.  But this article is interesting - the research shows that even a DIY mask cuts the risk of transmission:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258525804_Testing_the_Efficacy_of_Homemade_Masks_Would_They_Protect_in_an_Influenza_Pandemic

I was talking to a retired doctor online yesterday.  He said that when he was a student, he had his own cotton masks, which lasted right through his studies.  There are hospitals in the US putting out appeals for volunteers to hand-sew cotton masks for them, here's how to make them if you want to make your own:

 

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Apparently vaccuum bags are good material for this. 
They help you to stop spread if you are infected. If you are not leave masks for people who really need them. A bandana is good as it stops you touching your nose and mouth when out. We all do this a lot without even realising it. 

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So many wineries ......so little time :yes:

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49 minutes ago, rammygirl said:


They help you to stop spread if you are infected. If you are not leave masks for people who really need them.

If you read the article, they also help stop the spread even if you're not infected.  However I agree, no one should be buying the fully-filtered medical-grade masks, they should be left for the people who really need them.

However we can make our own or wear bandanas etc.

Another idea - in Spain, you have to wear disposable gloves when you are in the supermarket.


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I am confused by the gloves. A shop worker last week was wearing them whilst filling shelves, blowing his nose then working the till as I went to pay.

It looks like people are being told to wear them, but don’t know when to change them and I doubt they are using sanitiser in the same way they might if they had bare hands so possibly more risk of infection as they are not being properly educated!

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23 minutes ago, LouDYorkie said:

I am confused by the gloves. A shop worker last week was wearing them whilst filling shelves, blowing his nose then working the till as I went to pay.
 

I've seen that too, before the virus - people using gloves to handle food and then taking money without taking the gloves off.  I think gloves are a good idea if people use them properly

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You guys are a few weeks behind the UK in the evolution of this thing. As someone in the UK, forget masks and gloves. There is only one thing to do. Go home, stay home. Literally stay home. 

For those that dont know / don't follow UK news anymore. This is where we are:

Schools closed

Universities and colleges closed

Most none food shops closed

cafes, pubs restaurants and things closed

Local government buildings like library's closed

Churches closed

I personally have just done a week of total isolation. I now have another 12 minimum to go. 

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9 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

You guys are a few weeks behind the UK in the evolution of this thing. As someone in the UK, forget masks and gloves. There is only one thing to do. Go home, stay home. Literally stay home. 

For those that dont know / don't follow UK news anymore. This is where we are:

Schools closed

Universities and colleges closed

Most none food shops closed

cafes, pubs restaurants and things closed

Local government buildings like library's closed

Churches closed

I personally have just done a week of total isolation. I now have another 12 minimum to go. 

You weren't feeling at all well in one of your previous  posts.   How are you now?  

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42 minutes ago, VERYSTORMY said:

You guys are a few weeks behind the UK in the evolution of this thing. As someone in the UK, forget masks and gloves. There is only one thing to do. Go home, stay home. Literally stay home. 

You still have to go to the shops, which is about the only thing I'd need to wear one for at the moment - not going out to anything else.


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You still have to go to the shops, which is about the only thing I'd need to wear one for at the moment - not going out to anything else.

I still have to go into the city (Brisbane) for work. Yes, we could easily work from home but we aren’t allowed to until such time it is mandated by government.
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2 hours ago, LouDYorkie said:

I am confused by the gloves. A shop worker last week was wearing them whilst filling shelves, blowing his nose then working the till as I went to pay.

It looks like people are being told to wear them, but don’t know when to change them and I doubt they are using sanitiser in the same way they might if they had bare hands so possibly more risk of infection as they are not being properly educated!

I think the thing is as well, there is a specific way of putting PPE such as gloves and masks, on and off. If you are not aware of how to do this you are almost certainly passing infection onto your skin anyway. 
I agree, it likely gives a false sense of security and people wash their hands less than they should/would. Scarily some medical staff behave as though gloves are impenetrable and don’t wash their hands nearly enough..........maybe this outbreak will change that.
Homemade masks would assist in helping you stop touching your face as much for sure,  but again be conscious of how you remove them. 
Like VS I am expecting to be housebound for the next 3 months........ I go for a walk each day avoiding other people and then back inside. My consultant says that is allowed and encouraged! I have to attend the GP for bloods every 2 weeks due to my meds. I’m just working out how to get my meds delivered......

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I've not seen anybody wearing masks or gloves here.  I had a quick visit to the supermarket this morning for my elderly neighbours (she has cancer) and I put on a pair of gloves before touching the screen in the self serve area.  I left the groceries on my neighbours doorstep as they have self isolated.

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52 minutes ago, LouDYorkie said:


I still have to go into the city (Brisbane) for work. Yes, we could easily work from home but we aren’t allowed to until such time it is mandated by government.

Really?!  That's crap.

Do they not trust you?

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Really?!  That's crap.
Do they not trust you?

They’ve never liked people working from home.
I was originally told we had to be in the office to be collaborative and productive but that’s not my experience with other similar organisations.

It’s an old fashioned view in my opinion but there are definitely some who add to the problem by doing no work and not being contactable when “working from home”.
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17 minutes ago, LouDYorkie said:


It’s an old fashioned view in my opinion but there are definitely some who add to the problem by doing no work and not being contactable when “working from home”.

That's a simple management/HR issue.

The WFH is coming whether they like it or not.  It would be prudent for them to tell staff to go home now and practice it before they need it.

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2 hours ago, Amber Snowball said:

I think the thing is as well, there is a specific way of putting PPE such as gloves and masks, on and off. If you are not aware of how to do this you are almost certainly passing infection onto your skin anyway. 
I agree, it likely gives a false sense of security and people wash their hands less than they should/would. Scarily some medical staff behave as though gloves are impenetrable and don’t wash their hands nearly enough..........maybe this outbreak will change that.
Homemade masks would assist in helping you stop touching your face as much for sure,  but again be conscious of how you remove them. 
Like VS I am expecting to be housebound for the next 3 months........ I go for a walk each day avoiding other people and then back inside. My consultant says that is allowed and encouraged! I have to attend the GP for bloods every 2 weeks due to my meds. I’m just working out how to get my meds delivered......

There are postal services/online in the UK for meds, don't know if that would work if it is temp controlled, some chemists do deliver, don't know how reliable either are

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My SIL gave his workers the option to work from home 2 weeks ago. Now they have to because 2 of those coming in to work got the virus. Best not to travel on trains to the city.

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9 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

There are postal services/online in the UK for meds, don't know if that would work if it is temp controlled, some chemists do deliver, don't know how reliable either are

Thanks, yes I have investigated Boots thus far. Not temp controlled so that helps.

I don’t think I will be in the really vulnerable group that will be contacted by the NHS this week to not leave the house at all so if really necessary I could go for my bloods, pick up the ‘script and collect it from the Boots next door to the GP in one trip! 😬

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7 hours ago, Toots said:

You weren't feeling at all well in one of your previous  posts.   How are you now?  

I am feeling fine now thanks. Though finished quarantine on Thursday only to be told I am an a vulnerable group and to now isolate totally for 12 weeks. 

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7 hours ago, Marisawright said:

You still have to go to the shops, which is about the only thing I'd need to wear one for at the moment - not going out to anything else.

I would follow the UK advice. I can’t remember how old you are, but in the UK now, if over 70 or you or a member of your household is classed as vulnerable due to underlying health, then you do not go out. Full stop. Order on line or get someone to shop for you. You then have to decontaminate anything delivered to you. 
 

I am now isolated for at least 12 weeks. 

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4 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

There are postal services/online in the UK for meds, don't know if that would work if it is temp controlled, some chemists do deliver, don't know how reliable either are

I am in the vulnerable group, so will my doc says be getting the letter in the next couple of days, but already started the isolating. Basically locked in. Have learned though that once those in that group get our letter, our grocery orders will be prioritised and probably delivered by the army. Along with medication. 

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2 hours ago, VERYSTORMY said:

I am in the vulnerable group, so will my doc says be getting the letter in the next couple of days, but already started the isolating. Basically locked in. Have learned though that once those in that group get our letter, our grocery orders will be prioritised and probably delivered by the army. Along with medication. 

I heard that. Maybe getting a letter would be useful! 🤔

Managed to edit my ocado for Thursday this morning and I have another booked 2 weeks later. I have a milkman starting tomorrow......

NHS hour at the shops appears to have been pointless........although where I am I will try Morrisons if I need anything as we are reasonably civilised here. Although some items stripped from the shelves still.....🙄 but maybe getting in earlier in the day will mean there is some stock available.

Stay safe!

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3 hours ago, Amber Snowball said:

NHS hour at the shops appears to have been pointless......

It's called the "Community Hour"  here.   I think we're really starting to appreciate the lower population numbers in Australia.   I'm in Melbourne, in what Australia would regard as a densely populated suburb, but the community hour was nice and quiet and the stock wasn't too bad.   And like I said, I was able to walk to the shops and back without meeting anyone - I saw five people but crossed to the other side of the street. 

And before anyone says it, we don't have the option of home delivery here.  Coles and Woollies have suspended home deliveries. 

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Going to have a quick look to see how busy Aldi is today, normally 6 people in ours is busy! as I pass our local one after a specialists hospital visit.Think I should keep my appointment as it’s a follow up to a test, and in consulting rooms, so can keep my distance.

No ban on the over 70’s shopping here, still have a special dedicated hour. 

Also have to decide do I go to the dentist as I have lost a filling, Will ring for advice.

Life is going to be very different to our usual lives  for everyone, if only everyone would heed the advice to either self isolate if possible and at the very least keep your distance. Some young idiots had a party near us on Friday night and I heard shouting about the equivalent of ‘up yours coronavirus’. 

Never seen so many more than usual groups walking round our lake on Sunday, ok still not busy by some standards, but more were in family groups.than usual. Not mother’s day here. 

We live in a Crescent of only 7 houses, we are all retired and fairly fit, 2 are quite a bit older though and we will give them any help if needed. Tough cookies though both of them. 

Hope both Simmo and VS are getting better, and no one else ill.  Interesting article today Simmo saying that  after you start to feel better from the virus you then have a relapse which sounds what happened to you.

Keep safe and well.

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I really don't know how people in a crowded place like London can keep at a distance from each other. Fairly easy here because you hardly ever see anyone round the streets on foot, everyone drives. The most dangerous places are the shopping centres ( apart from airports and trains). My grandchildren started their online learning from home today- even PE which the youngest especially enjoyed and involved following a bear doing exercises and going outside with a tennis ball thrown against a wall. it has brought them quite close to each other as the oldest one helps the others and they all sit round a table with their laptops.

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On 22/03/2020 at 15:06, Marisawright said:

I've seen that too, before the virus - people using gloves to handle food and then taking money without taking the gloves off.  I think gloves are a good idea if people use them properly

My son was told when he worked with one of the celebrity chefs for the day never to wear gloves. He said people wash their hands less and cross contaminate more. 
‘I was watching on a news channel the other day about a cure for the vaccine the scientists were gowned up and gloved up but washed their gloved hands. I don’t know how fast it would take to dry on gloves 🧤 

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