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51 minutes ago, kungfustu said:

its actually closer to 40,000 but dont let 8000 get in the way of sensationalising things eh.

Of those 42000 how many were actually killed by the virus as opposed to died with it in their system?

How many do you think have already died and will die as a direct result of these restrictions/lockdowns over the coming few years.....Will their average age be 80 and have 2 or more underlying health conditions?

Listen to Rishi.....start living your life without fear.

I have no idea what the answer to your questions are and it appears neither do you or I’m sure you’d be quoting them. As for how many died of Covid or just had it in their system when they died again,  neither of us know. You quote people aged 80 with underlying health conditions. These people are the majority that have died from it which is pretty obvious really. If someone in poor condition was alive, contracted Covid and was dead a week or two later it’s reasonable to assume they died of Covid. Sure they would probably have died pretty soon anyway but not that day/week.  The amount of old people in care homes that died over the last six months was far higher than the amount that normally died in the same time period. In fact, higher by many thousands. So, whilst they may have all died within the next year or so,  their deaths at this time were from Covid.  If a care home has an average of 2 die a month in normal times and suddenly has 20 die a month in covid times then yes, covid is what killed them. If the numbers were almost the same you could argue they would have died anyway and just happened to have Covid in their system but that argument cannot be reasonable based on the excessive deaths compared to averages.  It’s clear that something out of the ordinary was responsible for all these extra deaths and that something was Covid. 
 

 

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9 hours ago, Parley said:

Anyone who commits suicide because they had a drop in their living standards would have done so anyway for some other reason.

 

This is a poor comment Parley, on many levels

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5 hours ago, kungfustu said:

these new restrictions make no sense whatsoever......I went to the pub last night for a cpl of beers with my boys as one is off to uni today.....walked in the door and stood at the desk as normal and was told to put a mask on immediately.....so the 3 of us put masks on.....walked 10 feet to an empty table where we sat down.....took the mask off and kept it off for the rest of the evening until we left when we stood up and put the mask back on to walk 10 feet to the door.....how on earth is that having any impact on the spread of this virus.....there was 10 or 15 tables all full of people talking.....laughing and drinking without a mask so much as near their face all sitting inside the pub.....yet when you stand up you have to put a mask on to walk to the toilet or to leave.....went to the gym this morning.....walked in....no ,mask....20 odd other people in the room all huffing and puffing on bikes....rowing machines and weights.....not a mask in sight and no requirement to wear one.....where is the sense in all of this?

The pub thing makes total sense. The rules of six means you can never be near enough to more than five other people at once to catch Covid so this automatically lowers your chances. In a pub environment prior to the new rules, you would walk in unmasked, sit at your table as usual then walk to the toilet unmarked passing dozens of people in close proximately and them doing the same, passing your table unmasked throughout the evening. Then, as everyone left at different times they would pass everyone else’s table unmasked and you’d do the same. Now, the only time you are unmasked is at your table with a maximum of six people. The tables have to be spaced apart so anyone else in that pub is far enough away not to infect you unless they walk past you which they will only do wearing a mask. You and everyone in that pub will be masked when walking about so very unlikely to spread the virus. As for the gym, I know they can have several people in them but hopefully they and the people using them are sensible. My son goes to the gym several times a week and says it’s very covid friendly and no one is close to others. 

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1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

This is a poor comment Parley, on many levels

Is not really any different from the dementia comments people make, saying these deaths are deaths that would have happened soon anyway. It's unpalatable, but there is probably truth in that the covid suicides and the covid domestic violence deaths are deaths that would have happened anyway, but have been brought forward by the virus.

The virus does seem to intensify things.

I guess the truth of the matter is that if resources had been given to mental health and domestic violence, then the effect of covid would have been less. But there is only so much money to go around, and apparently Google and Amazon need a lot of it.

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Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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The interesting thing about people who say suicides are going up from lockdown don't tend to post any figures. I don't know why that would be? Surely there must be some links with the numbers?


Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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5 hours ago, MacGyver said:

This is a poor comment Parley, on many levels

Of course it isn't. It is a true statement.

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14 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Yep you're right. Qantas have laid off thousands and are under investigation for rorting the job saver scheme.

We were never going to get out of this unscathed and airlines all over the world are suffering. Qantas no worse than others.

As I understand it Paul it's not Qantas but their staff under investigation but there may be some new findings that I am not aware of. Staff were paid the benefit when Qantas laid them off and continued to receive it even when they found alternate casual employment, many with Woolies I believe.

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15 hours ago, kungfustu said:

job losses are a tiny part of this....tiny....the restrictions are being driven by fear.....as Rishi said a few days ago....we must start trying to live without fear....I think that message is too little too late.....we will see over time who was right and who was wrong.....give me Swedens approach any day.....curfews?!....madness.

So do you agree with these freedom fighters injuring police and not wearing masks

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/26/london-lockdown-protesters-urged-to-follow-covid-rules

the next freedom fighters will be against vaccination against covid , how will that get excused.

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5 hours ago, Parley said:

Of course it isn't. It is a true statement.

I’ve worked in mental health services and I respectfully disagree with you here parley

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1 hour ago, MacGyver said:

I’ve worked in mental health services and I respectfully disagree with you here parley

Well you're wrong.

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7 hours ago, Johndoe said:

As I understand it Paul it's not Qantas but their staff under investigation but there may be some new findings that I am not aware of. Staff were paid the benefit when Qantas laid them off and continued to receive it even when they found alternate casual employment, many with Woolies I believe.

I know someone who's son is a Qantas pilot. Early on she told me he was getting the jobkeeper but not getting it if that makes sense. Quantas had either made some agreement or were withholding it somehow. She wasn't sure of the details but he was working in a different field to earn some money. 

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2 minutes ago, HappyHeart said:

I know someone who's son is a Quantas pilot. 

QANTAS is an acronym for Queesnsland and Northern Territory Aerial Service


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3 minutes ago, Parley said:

QANTAS is an acronym for Queesnsland and Northern Territory Aerial Service

Sorry about my appallingly ignorant spelling error. I have corrected it. 

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40 minutes ago, HappyHeart said:

Sorry about my appallingly ignorant spelling error. I have corrected it. 

I'm sure Parley's comment wasn't about your spelling - you can see from the way he's spelt Queensland that he takes a very liberal approach when it comes to spelling.

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Well Dan’s announcement gave us nothing, still have a 5 km limit even though we only have 1 case in the whole of our municipality and the most we have ever had was 12. The left wing ideology prohibits differentiation between areas of Melbourne so we have to all suffer until suburbs 35 km away get their numbers down. Not a good idea. No one care mention the demographics of those areas that have higher numbers but it is obvious. Meanwhile businesses are going to the wall and have our local shops have closed down permanently.

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1 hour ago, HappyHeart said:

Sorry about my appallingly ignorant spelling error. I have corrected it. 

You really shouldn't have done that. You've made him look even more stupid.

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Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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14 minutes ago, starlight7 said:

Well Dan’s announcement gave us nothing, still have a 5 km limit even though we only have 1 case in the whole of our municipality and the most we have ever had was 12. The left wing ideology prohibits differentiation between areas of Melbourne so we have to all suffer until suburbs 35 km away get their numbers down. Not a good idea. No one care mention the demographics of those areas that have higher numbers but it is obvious. Meanwhile businesses are going to the wall and have our local shops have closed down permanently.

Its ridiculous 

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55 minutes ago, starlight7 said:

Well Dan’s announcement gave us nothing, still have a 5 km limit even though we only have 1 case in the whole of our municipality and the most we have ever had was 12. The left wing ideology prohibits differentiation between areas of Melbourne so we have to all suffer until suburbs 35 km away get their numbers down. Not a good idea. No one care mention the demographics of those areas that have higher numbers but it is obvious. Meanwhile businesses are going to the wall and have our local shops have closed down permanently.

He's scrapped the curfew and he's reopening the primary schools for all years (both measures that weren't originally going to be in today's announcement).


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14 hours ago, newjez said:

Is not really any different from the dementia comments people make, saying these deaths are deaths that would have happened soon anyway. It's unpalatable, but there is probably truth in that the covid suicides and the covid domestic violence deaths are deaths that would have happened anyway, but have been brought forward by the virus.

The virus does seem to intensify things.

I guess the truth of the matter is that if resources had been given to mental health and domestic violence, then the effect of covid would have been less. But there is only so much money to go around, and apparently Google and Amazon need a lot of it.

Yes well if all our public services had been properly funded rather than having funding stripped out by a govt that simply didn't  care except to ensure its mates paid as little tax as possible then the country would be in a better position to cope with this pandemic. We are now in permanent panic mode desperately trying to paper over the cracks in our society's fabric.

Why is no one screaming this from the rooftops. 

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2 hours ago, starlight7 said:

Well Dan’s announcement gave us nothing, still have a 5 km limit even though we only have 1 case in the whole of our municipality and the most we have ever had was 12. The left wing ideology prohibits differentiation between areas of Melbourne so we have to all suffer until suburbs 35 km away get their numbers down. Not a good idea. No one care mention the demographics of those areas that have higher numbers but it is obvious. Meanwhile businesses are going to the wall and have our local shops have closed down permanently.

Please explain how it is left wing.

Please explain how you can have different quarantine regimes for areas butting up against each other, armed patrols to prevent people popping down the road to the shops and hotels that are open!

This virus is no respecter of boundaries and no respecter of socialists or reactionaries

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Melbourne is a very,very large and sprawling place covering over 100 kms. It would be quite easy to hive off the 40 kms where there is virtually no Covid because those areas are well defined and  mostly in the East. if you look at a map you will see the Covid areas are not even close and are easily avoided ( not that you would go near them anyway at the moment) In fact they are giving freedom to Geelong which is far worse than where we live.

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15 hours ago, Parley said:

Of course it isn't. It is a true statement.

You do make me smile 😀 

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