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They should be critical of all protests no matter what just now.  There are other ways of drawing attention but I guess you need a few brains to work that out.

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16 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I'll tell you what, let's not treat anyone who catches Covid, we'll do like you and Abbott suggest, if you catch it, we give them some morphine and leave them isolated in a warehouse and just use some strong stomached staff in bio hazard suits to do a clear out down to the crem each day, meanwhile all those who can stand up each day go to work and go down the pub of an evening and we only treat people with non covid deseases, no covid infected people allowed in hospitals. 

Yep, that sounds like a grand idea for dealing with the situation.

Now let us consider that as a proposition, the real hard nuts are told that their mums, dads, grannies and granddads aren't getting any treatment, so p..s off,  how long before there are threats and medical staff too scared to go to work.

How long do you think you will have a functioning society,  there is always someone who is more selfish and more violent than someone else and will make themselves and their gang ahead of everyone else.

If there is increased transmission of this disease will it start to mutate in the way flu does purely and simply because it passes thro so many hosts?

Society has already been trashed by these restrictions......if you think society is currently "functioning" you are  severely deluded lol......the behaviour of people in general has changed dramatically and that will continue for a very long time.....face masks for instant......in March.....April at the height of this thing.....100k new infections a week no one bothered......you could walk around the shops almost anywhere and not see a face mask  in sight.....yet now with 5k - 10k new infections a week you won't set foot outside the door without a piece of cloth covering your mouth and nose.....I bet half of the people looking at this are so terrified they probably think they need to wear a face mask to read and reply.....madness.

Its not difficult....it never was.....isolate the vulnerable....protect them.....the elderly and frail.....let the rest of society get on with their life.....look at Sweden.....back then the very phrase "herd immunity" was laughed out of town......the ridicule BJ suffered just by the very suggestion of the phrase.....look at them now.....whos laughing?

10k or 20k people a year dying from Flu/influenza and we have a vaccine for that....no one bats an eyelid.....what PPE.....what restrictions.....you don't think I shouldn't go visit granny in the care home because of Flu.....we need to get some perspective.

Mutations?.....do some research.....the vast majority of mutations weaken the virus.....for a group of supposedly intelligent people I fear you have been brainwashed by the media.....the headlines.....the infection rates and constant reporting of deaths......do any of you know that about 150k people still die from Measles each year.....not old , frail.....not already sick with various illnesses, not in care homes receiving end of life treatment but young people the vast majority of them children with their whole lives in front of them.....but because you are not constantly reminded of their demise you don't give it a 2nd thought.......it rarely affects your middle class lives.....doesn't interfere with your day to day activities at book club or family meal at the weekends.....and all the while all you can think about is 5 new covid infections hundreds of miles away and the risks you face if you need to go to the supermarket for groceries.....god forbid someone else may have touched or worse....breathed on a surface , shelf or handled some products just before you......blah....lol

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46 minutes ago, kungfustu said:

Society has already been trashed by these restrictions......if you think society is currently "functioning" you are  severely deluded lol......the behaviour of people in general has changed dramatically and that will continue for a very long time.....face masks for instant......in March.....April at the height of this thing.....100k new infections a week no one bothered......you could walk around the shops almost anywhere and not see a face mask  in sight.....yet now with 5k - 10k new infections a week you won't set foot outside the door without a piece of cloth covering your mouth and nose.....I bet half of the people looking at this are so terrified they probably think they need to wear a face mask to read and reply.....madness.

Its not difficult....it never was.....isolate the vulnerable....protect them.....the elderly and frail.....let the rest of society get on with their life.....look at Sweden.....back then the very phrase "herd immunity" was laughed out of town......the ridicule BJ suffered just by the very suggestion of the phrase.....look at them now.....whos laughing?

10k or 20k people a year dying from Flu/influenza and we have a vaccine for that....no one bats an eyelid.....what PPE.....what restrictions.....you don't think I shouldn't go visit granny in the care home because of Flu.....we need to get some perspective.

Mutations?.....do some research.....the vast majority of mutations weaken the virus.....for a group of supposedly intelligent people I fear you have been brainwashed by the media.....the headlines.....the infection rates and constant reporting of deaths......do any of you know that about 150k people still die from Measles each year.....not old , frail.....not already sick with various illnesses, not in care homes receiving end of life treatment but young people the vast majority of them children with their whole lives in front of them.....but because you are not constantly reminded of their demise you don't give it a 2nd thought.......it rarely affects your middle class lives.....doesn't interfere with your day to day activities at book club or family meal at the weekends.....and all the while all you can think about is 5 new covid infections hundreds of miles away and the risks you face if you need to go to the supermarket for groceries.....god forbid someone else may have touched or worse....breathed on a surface , shelf or handled some products just before you......blah....lol

I think you make a very good case for why brexit appealed so much to so many, so instead of addressing the discrimination and ridicule felt by so many they decided to simply saw the branch off that we all sit on rather than realising that they could change the people on the branch alongside them.

Its called identity politics, if you think that any of Boris's or Nigel's mob give a s..t about any of us you really are in la la land, you and us are useful fools that's all to keep them and their mates in power.

By all means imagine that the UK will suddenly become "Your Country" when in reality it will still be the Toffs from public schools that run it for THEM,Yep they'll let you imagine you've got a say but nothing will change .

Unfortunately, deep down, the brexiteers and the the fighters for libertarian freedoms know that and that is why they cry out so much trying to drown out that nasty truth

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On 19/09/2020 at 18:05, kungfustu said:

Sweden appear to be over the worst of this virus.....infections down and staying down.....deaths low.....economy recovering well.....now doing better than their close neighbours that locked down and continue to lock down.....

Sweden has banned gatherings over 50 since March, and has no plans on lifting that until a vaccine is in place.  That means weddings, funerals etc. are all limited to 50 people for the foreseeable future.

In contrast, Auckland NZ as of this Thursday will allow gatherings up to 100.

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1 hour ago, kungfustu said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54228649

read it.....it might surprise a few of you.......

A good bit of reporting and a timely explanation of the risks.

my complaint has been poor quality leadership by our govt and a complete loss of control of the messaging by them, they are populists themselves and have had no understanding of what they are dealing with and have never anticipated what the issues will be.

Have you thought that the majority of Conservative Party members are 50, even 60 plus, and it is them that Boris is trying to keep on side, not even business any more, he relies on them to stay in office in exactly the way Trump appeals to his cult following to get elected.

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On 20/09/2020 at 14:46, Parley said:

It will never go to zero cases.

No one expects that.

Queensland expect it. They wouldn't even reopen the border with ACT until they'd gone 2 months with zero cases. Don't bet on them reopening the border with Victoria if it doesn't get to zero cases.

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On 20/09/2020 at 09:53, kungfustu said:

Society has already been trashed by these restrictions......if you think society is currently "functioning" you are  severely deluded lol......the behaviour of people in general has changed dramatically and that will continue for a very long time.....face masks for instant......in March.....April at the height of this thing.....100k new infections a week no one bothered......you could walk around the shops almost anywhere and not see a face mask  in sight.....yet now with 5k - 10k new infections a week you won't set foot outside the door without a piece of cloth covering your mouth and nose.....I bet half of the people looking at this are so terrified they probably think they need to wear a face mask to read and reply.....madness.

Its not difficult....it never was.....isolate the vulnerable....protect them.....the elderly and frail.....let the rest of society get on with their life.....look at Sweden.....back then the very phrase "herd immunity" was laughed out of town......the ridicule BJ suffered just by the very suggestion of the phrase.....look at them now.....whos laughing?

10k or 20k people a year dying from Flu/influenza and we have a vaccine for that....no one bats an eyelid.....what PPE.....what restrictions.....you don't think I shouldn't go visit granny in the care home because of Flu.....we need to get some perspective.

Mutations?.....do some research.....the vast majority of mutations weaken the virus.....for a group of supposedly intelligent people I fear you have been brainwashed by the media.....the headlines.....the infection rates and constant reporting of deaths......do any of you know that about 150k people still die from Measles each year.....not old , frail.....not already sick with various illnesses, not in care homes receiving end of life treatment but young people the vast majority of them children with their whole lives in front of them.....but because you are not constantly reminded of their demise you don't give it a 2nd thought.......it rarely affects your middle class lives.....doesn't interfere with your day to day activities at book club or family meal at the weekends.....and all the while all you can think about is 5 new covid infections hundreds of miles away and the risks you face if you need to go to the supermarket for groceries.....god forbid someone else may have touched or worse....breathed on a surface , shelf or handled some products just before you......blah....lol

I think you need to send Boris a strongly worded letter. Make sure you include the worst ever results we have received and make it look like this happens every year. Good luck.

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Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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On 19/09/2020 at 09:05, kungfustu said:

Sweden appear to be over the worst of this virus.....infections down and staying down.....deaths low.....economy recovering well.....now doing better than their close neighbours that locked down and continue to lock down.....Us.....well what can you say.....the one dimensional approach to this pandemic by most of our governments still causing misery to millions.....jobs....health.....quality of life.....all trashed.....we accept 20k people dying of influenza every year.....no bother.....not a 2nd thought.....yet we are terrified of this virus.....look at what has taken place in Victoria.....complete madness.....they have gone from a relatively healthy position to a situation where the whole country has now been affected by the madness of curfews and business closures to protect what.....people dying from a virus that is just taking the place of another illnesses that would take their life anyway.....as sad as it is....its true though and all along we are being dictated too.....ordered to curtail our own lives....hopes.....relationships.....we have some treatments now available.....why we can't let the younger generations get on with their lives whilst doing our best to protect the most vulnerable to me is just senseless......for the sake of a few middle aged panic stricken people terrified to set foot outside their front doors.....sucked into this belief that its certain death if they even get a whiff of this virus.....turn a blind eye to the fact that about 3/4 of people that get it have no symptoms at all......I'm not sure the people of this country will stand for further mass restrictions......people I speak too day in day out have had enough.....but lets not let the lives of the less fortunate.....less financially secure and younger generations get in the way of our own fears and insecurities......At least Brexit is back on the agenda.....something else to talk about other than infection rates.....hospital admissions and socially distanced gatherings!

Here's your answer. Thanks to @NicF for the article.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-harsh-covid-19-lockdowns-are-good-for-the-economy/12683486?section=analysis

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Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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12 hours ago, newjez said:

I think you need to send Boris a strongly worded letter. Make sure you include the worst ever results we have received and make it look like this happens every year. Good luck.

Maybe one of your "hard stares" would work better 😂

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1 hour ago, simmo said:

Maybe one of your "hard stares" would work better 😂

I think Cummings might have that angle covered.


Nearly there! Don't drop the ball now guys! Vaccines are weeks away. Stay safe!

 

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1 hour ago, newjez said:

I think Cummings might have that angle covered.

Yep, a drive out to the woods to check he still had the killer stare.

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On 20/09/2020 at 12:46, Parley said:

It will never go to zero cases.

No one expects that.

True.   But maybe Dan the man needs to start treating all people who contravene the restrictions and regulations exactly the same.    5 large Afgani families have apparently been openly socialising with large numbers at events, and contact tracing has shown that they have spread so many cases of Covid around Melbourne.   But for some reason Dan has decided not to fine or prosecute them as they wouldn't understand why!!!!!    I can't find the link for the MSM report I read about this yesterday (probably been removed), but I was gobsmacked to read it.   Especially when you see so much on the media about the Police arresting others who contravene the rules for the same reasons.

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......Just trying to be helpful so don't shoot me down if my personal views do not coincide with yours! :animal-dog:

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On 20/09/2020 at 14:36, starlight7 said:

They should be critical of all protests no matter what just now.  There are other ways of drawing attention but I guess you need a few brains to work that out.

Best comment!

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......Just trying to be helpful so don't shoot me down if my personal views do not coincide with yours! :animal-dog:

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1 hour ago, Rossmoyne said:

True.   But maybe Dan the man needs to start treating all people who contravene the restrictions and regulations exactly the same.    5 large Afgani families have apparently been openly socialising with large numbers at events, and contact tracing has shown that they have spread so many cases of Covid around Melbourne.   But for some reason Dan has decided not to fine or prosecute them as they wouldn't understand why!!!!!    I can't find the link for the MSM report I read about this yesterday (probably been removed), but I was gobsmacked to read it.   Especially when you see so much on the media about the Police arresting others who contravene the rules for the same reasons.

I thought Dan’s response to the Afghanis was actually quite insulting treating them like children who couldn’t quite understand the rules.

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7 hours ago, Quokka2005 said:

Scotland’s announcing more restrictions today or tomorrow 😖

They look very strict too. 

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On 20/09/2020 at 18:53, kungfustu said:

.....face masks for instant......in March.....April at the height of this thing.....100k new infections a week no one bothered......you could walk around the shops almost anywhere and not see a face mask  in sight.....

I seem to remember there being global shortages of PPE back in March/April.  No point causing panic by telling people to wear unobtanium masks if there couldn't buy them anywhere.

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The return of stocking up on loo rolls in the UK.  😐

 

 

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16 hours ago, Rossmoyne said:

True.   But maybe Dan the man needs to start treating all people who contravene the restrictions and regulations exactly the same.    5 large Afgani families have apparently been openly socialising with large numbers at events, and contact tracing has shown that they have spread so many cases of Covid around Melbourne.   But for some reason Dan has decided not to fine or prosecute them as they wouldn't understand why!!!!!    I can't find the link for the MSM report I read about this yesterday (probably been removed), but I was gobsmacked to read it.   Especially when you see so much on the media about the Police arresting others who contravene the rules for the same reasons.

If you fine people for telling the contact tracers who they've been in contact with then people will stop telling the contact tracers who they've been in contact with.

By all means fine people seen walking around without masks or seen attending parties but you can't fine people for assisting with contact tracing.

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2 hours ago, Ken said:

If you fine people for telling the contact tracers who they've been in contact with then people will stop telling the contact tracers who they've been in contact with.

By all means fine people seen walking around without masks or seen attending parties but you can't fine people for assisting with contact tracing.

Fair point.

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5 hours ago, Toots said:

The return of stocking up on loo rolls in the UK.  😐

 

 

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Is that Brighton by any chance

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58 minutes ago, simmo said:

Is that Brighton by any chance

No idea.  Why?  Do you recognise the bloke?

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23 hours ago, Rossmoyne said:

True.   But maybe Dan the man needs to start treating all people who contravene the restrictions and regulations exactly the same.    5 large Afgani families have apparently been openly socialising with large numbers at events, and contact tracing has shown that they have spread so many cases of Covid around Melbourne.   But for some reason Dan has decided not to fine or prosecute them as they wouldn't understand why!!!!!    I can't find the link for the MSM report I read about this yesterday (probably been removed), but I was gobsmacked to read it.   Especially when you see so much on the media about the Police arresting others who contravene the rules for the same reasons.

Makes you wonder what’s going on , can arrest a pregnant woman in PJ’s but turn a blind eye to that 🤔

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