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10 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

Let's face it, if you think the death rate in America is going to be higher then what's it going to be in places like India, Pakistan, amongst the refugee camps, etc. Why people just pick on America is beyond me. Sure, their system could be better but it's a damn site better than most countries.

No one is picking on America.  I simply replied to a post by Parley about how 150 million people are expecting to contract the virus in the USA.  And for a country with amazing world leading health care facilities America has an awful record in actually providing health care for all but the most well off it's citizens.  For far too many people in a first world country the choice is get treated and go bankrupt or get no treatment.  India and Pakistan on the other hand are developing countries that don't have world leading medical facilities so you don't really expect the healthcare to be on the same level as more developed nations.

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16 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

Why people just pick on America is beyond me.

I pick on Yankee-Doodle-Dandy Land because I'm Canadian and as such it's my God-given birthright 😉

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5 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

@ramot I’m so sorry to hear this hun but I think it’s the right thing to do. At the beginning of the year I wasn’t worried at all, my specialists weren’t, the infection disease head of the hospital wasn’t, I don’t think the majority of the population were. Now I’m totally confused, on one hand I think the media are dramatising it so much you don’t know whats real, on the other hand I’m thinking that if it’s just like the flu the government would not be taking all the action we are seeing to contain it. 
 

‘Have you asked if the company you booked with will reschedule to a later date? I know a few airlines are already doing this and Virgin sent a mail shot out today also saying they would change any dates free of charge. You could change for 9/10 months time and if the situation is still bad try and change a second time. 

Some friends had a flight booked with Virgin to go to Singapore they had the option of changing for free or cancelling for $60 per person. The couple hadn’t taken out any insurance, the hotels canceled their booking free of charge and that was all done direct, it’s worth a try hun. 

Deferring was considered, but as a group of ‘older’ people , you then come across the problem of several people not being in a position to travel, so as a group booking discount based on the cost due to a certain number in the group.your costs would be greater. Also cost would likely to be increased if travelling at a later date.

Had we left the decision before the cut off cancellation date of next Monday, we would have lost more money. We won’t get much back but any is better than nothing.  The other consideration was the pressure on the person who arranged the trip, who does feel a responsibility for the group, should the worst scenario happen.

Stay safe everyone.

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So still in the balance with our trip. Not until the end of April but currently not looking good.  Our friends who are travelling from UK with time in Hong Kong before joining us in Thailand now face compulsory quarantine on entry to Thailand and we face constant checks.

Do we hold fast and hope it will improve?  Seems to be abating in China now.

Our Westpac credit card insurance excludes pandemics, as do many policies.  We need to discuss, probably not feasible to all re arrange for a new date easily (three couples involved) but will certainly try rather than lose all the money. 

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Same goes for the UK.

If 40 million contract the virus and say 5% need to go into intensive care, can the health systems cope ?

 

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32 minutes ago, Parley said:

Same goes for the UK.

If 40 million contract the virus and say 5% need to go into intensive care, can the health systems cope ?

 

Not if all 40 million contract the virus at the same time.  Hence why we have all the containment measures to try and slow the spread.


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Unprecedented action being taken by countries now.

Trump has just announced a ban of all travel from Europe to the US for 30 days. UK is exempt from this ban.

I expect Australia will follow with a similar ban.

Perhaps we should close the borders and stop all travel to Australia for several months.

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Tom Hanks and his wife are in Australia and feeling unwell have tested positive to Covid-19.


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This is a good article, especially the charts which show the death rate broken down by age:

https://luggageandlipstick.com/travel-coronavirus/?


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2 hours ago, Parley said:

Tom Hanks and his wife are in Australia and feeling unwell have tested positive to Covid-19.

They are in isolation in a Gold Coast hospital.

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11 hours ago, simmo said:

This didn't age well did it hey @Toots ?

I'm still not panicking.  No shortage of masks here.  I've never seen anyone wearing one except for a few weeks ago when I saw a couple of (I think) Chinese tourists wearing them.  

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Let's face it, if you think the death rate in America is going to be higher then what's it going to be in places like India, Pakistan, amongst the refugee camps, etc. Why people just pick on America is beyond me. Sure, their system could be better but it's a damn site better than most countries.



If it has to be compared against that of third world countries, to claim superiority rather than against that of other first world countries (peers), it’s a pretty sad state of affairs.

Conclusion: It’s not up to snuff for a first world country.

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1 hour ago, unzippy said:

Thanks alot, just lost 30 minutes of my day succumbing to my morbid curiosity 

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8 hours ago, Toots said:

Humans can be disgusting.

 

No this was a report on the joe rogan ? Show on you tube 


BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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13 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

@ramot I’m so sorry to hear this hun but I think it’s the right thing to do. At the beginning of the year I wasn’t worried at all, my specialists weren’t, the infection disease head of the hospital wasn’t, I don’t think the majority of the population were. Now I’m totally confused, on one hand I think the media are dramatising it so much you don’t know whats real, on the other hand I’m thinking that if it’s just like the flu the government would not be taking all the action we are seeing to contain it.

At first, they thought it would be like SARS and swine flu and they might be able to contain it in China and shut it down.  Now, it's a different story.

After talking to my Italian friend at Zumba this morning, I don't think the media is over-dramatising it at all.   She has friends and family in Northern Italy including doctors who work in hospitals there.  This is what they told her:

Young, healthy people have nothing to worry about.  For them it's just a mild infection.  However anyone over 70 or with a heart condition should be very worried, because they tend to get a severe case, to the point where they can't breathe unassisted.    The hospital has converted some ordinary wards into Intensive Care Units but there aren't enough life support machines to go around, so they are having to make decisions about who gets hooked up and who is left to die.   As doctors, it's a heart-wrenching decision to make and they're making it every day now. 

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On 10/03/2020 at 11:56, unzippy said:

Between a work force who can't afford to miss work or go to a doctor and a health care system that's not equipped to efficiently immunise people en masse, they are in for a bad time over there.

CNN: Trump address sparks chaos as coronavirus crisis deepens.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-europe-travel/index.html

 

He appears to have no clue. Not what America needs.

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Good decision by Trump on the travel ban

Obviously not great for the economy, but that is a secondary issue.

Australia should really close our borders totally for 30 days too. No incoming flights from anywhere except maybe New Zealand.

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40 minutes ago, Parley said:

Good decision by Trump on the travel ban

Obviously not great for the economy, but that is a secondary issue.

Australia should really close our borders totally for 30 days too. No incoming flights from anywhere except maybe New Zealand.

And from the UK if possible please. 

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8 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

And from the UK if possible please. 

Nah, closed is closed. Imho it should be closed even interstate. (For WA at least)

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21 hours ago, Perthbum said:

 it will be gone is a week, the panic really is unjustified and laughable to be honest,

You really don't have a clue do you?

Countries that are prepared and take early measures to contain the virus have a lower number of cases and a death rate comparable to flu (about 0.5%, still around double flu but in the same ballpark). Unprepared countries have more cases and a higher death rate, up to 20x that of flu. The real problems begin when health services get overwhelmed and more and more health professionals get the virus and can no longer work.

 

Sobering reading here: 

https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca

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4 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

And from the UK if possible please. 

Yup, we are looking to get out within the next few days.  Unfortunately our house sale fell through again with the stock market plunge.  Ho hum, another holiday I think then back to sell the house - again!!!

 

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Posted (edited)

McLaren have pulled out of the Aus GP.  A crew member has tested positive for Covid-19.

As Hamilton says, “cash is king”.

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NSW expect preparing/expect 1.5m infections and 8,000 deaths.  

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1 hour ago, unzippy said:

McLaren have pulled out of the Aus GP.  A crew member has tested positive for Covid-19.

As Hamilton says, “cash is king”.

Overreaction around the world, death rate from flu is far higher when you take the number who have it and death rates, Corana is infecting over 10 times the official figures, China has millions who have had it and got over it and millions now infected, the mortality rate is very very low except for those over 80s, the flu kills far far more elderly, panic creates panic and the world is panicking with no justification, this virus will be around for ever just like and flu virus. They predict 75% of the population of the world will have had the virus with 5 years just like a flu virus we cant stop it.

P,S if you are that worried get a face mask but that will not really protect you in the long term, just stop panicking.

 


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