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54 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

It’s something that’s on my mind a bit as I’m due to fly out to Australia in a months time. On my flight out I’m passing through Dubai airport. Only a 2 hour wait but still.... there’s some problems there with the virus at the moment.  I will keep monitoring the situation over the coming weeks, fingers crossed. 

It is probably worth considering that in the northern hemisphere, the flu season  is on the wane whereas in the southern hemisphere we are about to move into the flu season. In a month's time the Australian flu season will be just starting to gather steam.  

Another reason why the Australian Government jumped in, I suspect.

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2 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

It’s something that’s on my mind a bit as I’m due to fly out to Australia in a months time. On my flight out I’m passing through Dubai airport. Only a 2 hour wait but still.... there’s some problems there with the virus at the moment.  I will keep monitoring the situation over the coming weeks, fingers crossed. 

On our mind too - we're planning a short break in Malaysia and a longer trip to Japan

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2 hours ago, Dusty Plains said:

It is probably worth considering that in the northern hemisphere, the flu season  is on the wane whereas in the southern hemisphere we are about to move into the flu season. In a month's time the Australian flu season will be just starting to gather steam.  

Another reason why the Australian Government jumped in, I suspect.

Scott Morrison is getting ahead of the curve this time. He was stung by being a bit slow off the mark during the bushfires and won't make that mistake again.

Corona virus is obviously going to be declared a global pandemic soon, so Morrison wants to lead early this time which is a good thing.

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5 minutes ago, Parley said:

Scott Morrison is getting ahead of the curve this time. He was stung by being a bit slow off the mark during the bushfires and won't make that mistake again.

Corona virus is obviously going to be declared a global pandemic soon, so Morrison wants to lead early this time which is a good thing.

Agree. Scomo is also not going to wait on WHO. There is enough evidence now that, as preventative measures have largely failed especially in parts of Europe and Asia, the PM is entitled to use the P word, especially for a country about to enter the flu season. 

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On 26/02/2020 at 21:11, bunbury61 said:

Sorry found it - 

As I thought on day 1 - theres a lot more to this - that's why the governments of the world are panicking .

It only has a kill rate of 2.2% , but can it mutate ? Or is it resistant to antibiotics ?

All this bs about it starting in a market in wuhan .

I had an opinion early on, that it is a release of the virus ,either on purpose or accidentally ,by the chinese military , or those attached to the chinese military .

If you are young and / or  healthy , you have nothing to worry about .

 

You must inhabit way too many conspiracy websites mate.

So it is a Chinese military plot to, what, reduce the population in China and trash their economy?  Doh!

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12 hours ago, Dusty Plains said:

Yes... but, the  source was ( the ABC News)  at the very instant ( late afternoon Thursday Sydney time) that the Feds announced the measures to be implemented. The ABC  also added that there was "more to come" from the source, that I gave you which at the time was breaking news

 PM Scott Morrison is quoted as saying that the Panndemic ......"ÏS UPON US" This is world news an example,:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8050045/Prime-Minister-Scott-Morrison...

So the Commonwealth Pandemic Plan has been activated. That particular plan along with other emergency plans is never intended to be implemented after the event. They are based  upon anticipation.

 Its a Pandemic.

And here you and others were lecturing the best of us on here that coal-fired power stations were going to be our end. Pathetic. Now YOU are the new deniers.

 At least i will die laughing.

Even if it hasn’t ‘officially’ been titled a global pandemic it is surely just a matter of time before it is and a tipping point is reached.

The more - and greater spread - of cases that are identified the greater the challenges for containment.

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6 hours ago, The Pom Queen said:

Would you still travel? If you had your flights booked to Australia or back to the UK would you still risk it especially if you have to transit through Singapore which is the 6th largest outbreaks
‘I just read an article tonight about travel insurance and future holiday plans, it seems these insurance companies always have an excuse not to pay out.

Travellers need to be aware that their insurance company is unlikely to provide cover if their holiday is not directly affected, director of Compare Travel Insurance, Natalie Ball, told news.com.au.

“In most cases, travel insurance does not cover for fear or changes of mind,” Ms Ball said. “As well, many insurers exclude cover for pandemics and epidemics; events known in the mass media; and anything that you were aware of that may give rise to a claim at the time of purchase.

“Travel insurance policies vary, so you may be entitled for compensation should the Australian government DFAT issue a level-four, ‘do not travel’ travel warning for the country you are visiting. This would largely depend on which insurer you bought your policy with and when you purchased your cover. All customers are always entitled to lodge claims for formal review which will be assessed on a case-by-case basis.”

Because DFAT have only advised against travel to China and parts of South Korea so far, if you do cancel your trip to other destinations you’re unlikely to be covered or get a refund from your service provider.

However, depending on when you purchased your policy, you may be eligible to claim for nonrecoverable expenses if the government upgraded its 

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/health-safety/how-coronavirus-will-impact-your-travel-plans/news-story/c94ad364072f3e7bab48e62236e274b2

We are booked to go to Vietnam in April, and unless the Corona virus is I think declared a pandemic and the government issues a do not travel, we will not be able to claim back our health insurance if we decide not to go. 

Its a no brainer for me, unless things change I would rather lose the cost of the holiday than take the risk, not only of putting ourselves at risk, but also the risk of not being allowed back into Australia . Christmas Island doesn’t appeal. 

I realise some people will say over reacting, but it will be our choice and no one else’s business.

I do have a minor heart condition, and will see if my specialist might give me a letter saying I should not travel! Bit cheeky but worth a try, to get a refund?

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2 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Even if it hasn’t ‘officially’ been titled a global pandemic it is surely just a matter of time before it is and a tipping point is reached.

The more - and greater spread - of cases that are identified the greater the challenges for containment.

Yes exactly. Its as though a wildfire is coming over the hill, but its an unofficial wildfire.

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On 26/02/2020 at 11:11, bunbury61 said:

Sorry found it - 

As I thought on day 1 - theres a lot more to this - that's why the governments of the world are panicking .

It only has a kill rate of 2.2% , but can it mutate ? Or is it resistant to antibiotics ?

All this bs about it starting in a market in wuhan .

I had an opinion early on, that it is a release of the virus ,either on purpose or accidentally ,by the chinese military , or those attached to the chinese military .

If you are young and / or  healthy , you have nothing to worry about .

 

There are a few reasons that I can think of.

If the china figures for the virus are replicated in the U.K then
 
The kill rate with no medical intervention will be close to 10%!

The very high percentage of people with severe symptoms e.g. needing medical assistance to survive 15-20%!
One quarter of those will be critical needing treatment on the Intensive care unit.

If 2000 are infected then the hospital will need 5% of 2000 = 100 Intensive care beds with doctors and nurses to treat them.
The hospital will need 10-15% of 2000 = 200 - 300 will need to be treated on the high dependency ward.

How many U.K hospitals have the equipment beds nurses and doctors to treat this many at any one time.

A significant percentage of those with severe symptoms will suffer long term permanent damage to their health.  

It is a very close relative of SARS, MERS viruses that have CFR of 10% and 35%.

It is an RNA single strand virus it can and will mutate the million-dollar question is will it mutate to a less deadly or more deadly strain with a CFR of 10%,35%!

History has proven that viruses can mutate to more deadly versions 1918-1919 Spanish flu proved this.

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39 minutes ago, Life on easy street said:

There are a few reasons that I can think of.

If the china figures for the virus are replicated in the U.K then
 
The kill rate with no medical intervention will be close to 10%!

 

Easy Street, you've totally lost me, where do you get the kill rate of 10% from?

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14 hours ago, ali said:

On our mind too - we're planning a short break in Malaysia and a longer trip to Japan

My son flies back to Aus tomorrow via Hong Kong. Cathay have cancelled lots of flights so he has been moved to a Qantas flight. Got a P3 mask and lots of Purell!!
Obviously don’t want him to catch anything but moreover the aggro of a  2 week self isolation is certainly to be avoided. He is due back out on placement and he really needs to finish this percussive course! Hopefully the rules don’t change on Hong Kong before Monday!

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We fly out on 11 March for a couple of weeks to the Cook Islands. Guess we will have to allow for longer check in times because I think the Cook Islands have Australia as a danger zone. It seems they think you could get that disease anywhere now. People are not going to Box Hill, Glen Waverley or even Forest Hill now. Lilydale is looking good,however.

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Hong Kong officials confirmed on Friday that a dog has tested positive for the coronavirus.

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Are people worried about their investments ?

Sharemarkets have had a big correction this week. Are people selling or holding on ?


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8 hours ago, Toots said:

Hong Kong officials confirmed on Friday that a dog has tested positive for the coronavirus.

The World Health Organization has said that there is no evidence that companion animals or pets such as cats and dogs have been infected or could spread the virus that causes the COVID-19 disease.

Hong Kong’s authorities said the dog doesn’t have any relevant symptoms. The Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department will collect further samples to test if the dog has really been infected with the virus, or if this is a result of environmental contamination of the dog’s mouth and nose.

 

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I don't think this has been endorsed by the WHO but worth a try.

 

 

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9 hours ago, Parley said:

Are people worried about their investments ?

Sharemarkets have had a big correction this week. Are people selling or holding on ?

It is a bit worrying. I read yesterday that shares were down 13%, that’s huge.   Most of my investments are in pensions so they’ll just stay there. I don’t think I’ll look at them for a little while though as it may be depressing. I’ve got a some shares which I could sell but I won’t. Fingers crossed they’ll recover. 

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6 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

It is a bit worrying. I read yesterday that shares were down 13%, that’s huge.   Most of my investments are in pensions so they’ll just stay there. I don’t think I’ll look at them for a little while though as it may be depressing. I’ve got a some shares which I could sell but I won’t. Fingers crossed they’ll recover. 

They always recover in time. May take a few years though.

Impossible to know how big this corona virus issue will end up being for the world.

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On 27/02/2020 at 22:46, Gbye grey sky said:

You must inhabit way too many conspiracy websites mate.

So it is a Chinese military plot to, what, reduce the population in China and trash their economy?  Doh!

So this virus started in a market 😀😀😀

Really ? As I stated , this could well have been an accidental release 

And you my friend , have proven to be on the wrong side of history time after time after time .

Whether that be the brexit result , trump's election or the victory of boris johnson and the forthcoming no deal. 

I have predicted them all , so I know who my money would be on 😄

I dont inhabit conspiracy websites , call it intuition 

 


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Just now, bunbury61 said:

So this virus started in a market 😀😀😀

Really ? As I stated , this could well have been an accidental release 

And you my friend , have proven to be on the wrong side of history time after time after time .

Whether that be the brexit result , trump's election or the victory of boris johnson and the forthcoming no deal. 

I have predicted them all , so I know who my money would be on 😄

I dont inhabit conspiracy websites , call it intuition 

 

Ps wait until the news comes out of china about what's really going on .

 


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The shenanigans with Turkey and the EU aren't going to help. 

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On 28/02/2020 at 11:21, Melbpom said:

Easy Street, you've totally lost me, where do you get the kill rate of 10% from?

The kill rate is currently 2.2% 

Flu runs at approximately 1% .

As I said on day one , is there something they are not telling us , because its kill rate percentage isnt high ,?

Most people who are well , are showing very few signs , of the illness , spending 14 days in quarantine , and coming out unscathed 

Is this media driven , with all the hype ?

Can it mutate ?

Can it be transferred to other animals ?

But to say it just happened to start in a market in wuhan ,spontaneously is just ridiculous  

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The question is whether the release of the virus was deliberate or an accident. If not an accident you have to wonder what the gain would be?

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