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White Privilege?

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What is it? Does it exist? Do you have it? 

It's all I hear lately.

 

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of course there is white privilege, a black man is far less likely to get a job if there is a white man with the same qualifications.


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In South Africa their is still massive apartheid, you are treated so much better in restaurants bars and basically everywhere if you are white compared to black.


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36 minutes ago, Perthbum said:

of course there is white privilege, a black man is far less likely to get a job if there is a white man with the same qualifications.

I don't believe that's true

 

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20 minutes ago, ali said:

I don't believe that's true

 

Rainbows and unicorns in Ali land.

Ahhhhhhhh....

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1 hour ago, ali said:

I don't believe that's true

 

Of course you don’t...

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1 hour ago, ali said:

I don't believe that's true

 

Really.

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A new study, by researchers at Northwestern University, Harvard, and the Institute for Social Research in Norway, looked at every available field experiment on hiring discrimination from 1989 through 2015. The researchers found that anti-black racism in hiring is unchanged since at least 1989, while anti-Latino racism may have decreased modestly.

They looked at two kinds of experiments: résumé and in-person audits. In the first, researchers send out résumés with similar levels of education, experience, and so on, but the names differ so some résumés have a stereotypically black or Latino name and the others have a stereotypically white name. In the second, applicants go in-person to apply for a job; they each share similar qualifications, but some are white while others are black or brown.

In total, the researchers produced 24 studies with 30 estimates of discrimination for black and Latino Americans, collectively representing more than 54,000 applications submitted for more than 25,000 positions.

They concluded that, on average, “white applicants receive 36% more callbacks than equally qualified African Americans” while “[w]hite applicants receive on average 24% more callbacks than Latinos.”

They also found no evidence of changes over time in rates of hiring discrimination for black people, with anything but the slight possibility of “a slow decline” ruled out by the studies. With Latinos, the evidence indicates “a possible decline in discrimination, although this trend is outside of conventional levels of significance” — meaning the data isn’t statistically significant enough to draw a solid conclusion.

The researchers deployed a variety of controls to verify their results, from measuring outcomes in different ways to controlling for socioeconomic variables like geography and unemployment rates. But they concluded, “In all models, we see little evidence of a reduction in hiring discrimination against African Americans over time.”

One complicating factor may be publication bias. Maybe it’s possible that studies that find no sign of discrimination are simply less likely to be published, since such findings aren’t as shocking. So the researchers sought unpublished studies to include in their analysis. But they found that “[t]heir inclusion did little to affect our estimates.”

One caveat to the research: Its main findings only go back to 1989. The researchers “note that our results do not address the possibility that hiring discrimination may have substantially dropped in the 1960s or early 1970s, during the civil rights era when many forms of direct discrimination were outlawed, as some evidence suggests.”

The studies also only look at discrimination at the point of hire, not other aspects of the workplace. And the meta-analysis only found about 24 studies — a low count that the researchers acknowledge may make it difficult to detect subtle changes over time since a lower amount of data makes estimates a little more noisy. (This was particularly true for Latinos, for which there were only nine relevant studies.)

Still, the findings are telling: Since the height of the crack cocaine epidemic and all of the racism associated with it in the 1980s, anti-black discrimination in hiring does not appear to have changed. That may help explain why, for example, unemployment gaps between black and white Americans have also barely changed over time, and why racial wealth and income gaps are still so bad.

The bottom line is whether you get a job in America can come down to your race. And that’s likely as true today as it was back in 1989.

 

 


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3 hours ago, ali said:

I don't believe that's true

 

There has been experiments that prove otherwise. In the UK a study was done where the identical impressive CV was sent out to employers with jobs advertised.  I can’t remember the names used but one was something like Peter Smith and the other was a definite non British sounding name. Peter did better by a mile in securing an interview.  

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6 hours ago, Perthbum said:

of course there is white privilege, a black man is far less likely to get a job if there is a white man with the same qualifications.

What if there are two or more white men going for the same job? How does white privilege work in that situation? How does white privilege work in a society which is 100 per cent white? My infants and junior schools were 100 per cent white and at high school almost 99 per cent white so how does white privilege work in those situations?

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5 hours ago, ali said:

I don't believe that's true

 

Not my experience either.

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7 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

So, sixty years of governments passing laws to prevent racial discrimination have been a complete waste of time. It makes you wonder why anybody from a non-white background would even want to migrate to such a country?

Just as a matter of interest how have countries like India done passing laws (I assume they have passed such laws) to bring to an end the discrimination of the caste system?

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2 hours ago, MARYROSE02 said:

What if there are two or more white men going for the same job? How does white privilege work in that situation? How does white privilege work in a society which is 100 per cent white? My infants and junior schools were 100 per cent white and at high school almost 99 per cent white so how does white privilege work in those situations?

Pray tell us what society is 100% white 


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2 hours ago, simmo said:

Not my experience either.

Cuz your not black bruv 


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6 minutes ago, Perthbum said:

Cuz your not black bruv 

I identify as a black, gay man.

What have you got to say about that hunny?

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2 hours ago, simmo said:

I identify as a black, gay man.

What have you got to say about that hunny?

Does your wife have any issues with you being gay?

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5 minutes ago, newjez said:

Does your wife have any issues with you being gay?

No he doesn't.


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In South Africa their is still massive apartheid, you are treated so much better in restaurants bars and basically everywhere if you are white compared to black.

Yes, sadly this still happens. I lived and worked with a project team made up of men and women from various African nations. When going for dinner, it was only ever me who was given the wine list, asked how the meal was, able to get the attention of staff. The only stand out difference was that I was the only white person on the team.
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1 minute ago, LouDYorkie said:


Yes, sadly this still happens. I lived and worked with a project team made up of men and women from various African nations. When going for dinner, it was only ever me who was given the wine list, asked how the meal was, able to get the attention of staff. The only stand out difference was that I was the only white person on the team.

Its so bad I actually get embarrassed, they still look down on blacks as second class citizens.


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There has been experiments that prove otherwise. In the UK a study was done where the identical impressive CV was sent out to employers with jobs advertised.  I can’t remember the names used but one was something like Peter Smith and the other was a definite non British sounding name. Peter did better by a mile in securing an interview.  

This is true to such an extent that many organisations when purchasing a new recruitment system want any identifying information redacted from early stage decisions, including name.
Names can potentially reveal many things about a person including gender, nationality, religion, age ...although it is not a guarantee.

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Its so bad I actually get embarrassed, they still look down on blacks as second class citizens.

Yes, It’s terrible. The divide is still very real unfortunately. The best I felt
I could do in some of these situations was stay stood in the queue instead of letting myself be ushered to the front, pass the wine list to a black colleague for them to choose from time to time. Small things but they equalise us.
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9 hours ago, Perthbum said:

Really.

Really - and someone who recruits I can tell you that is not the case.  In fact, some of the jobs that we advertise if an Aboriginal applicant is suitable they are to be chosen over any other candidate.  My last successful candidate was someone from Africa. So, yes, I disagree that a white person will always get a job above someone deemed none white.

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