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Into feb - still no winter here in the w.mids 

No ice 

No snow 

No temps below zero

Happy days ūüĎć


BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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42 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

Into feb - still no winter here in the w.mids 

No ice 

No snow 

No temps below zero

Happy days ūüĎć

Grand day for a walk today, had to stop half way and remove my Cardigan and scarf it was so warm. But there was ice  on the car in the morning.

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40 minutes ago, Quoll said:

Grand day for a walk today, had to stop half way and remove my Cardigan and scarf it was so warm. But there was ice  on the car in the morning.

Are you back in England Quoll? Hope you’re having a good time if so. 

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10 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

You are a denier.  You deny anthropogenic climate change.  If you believe it may not be caused by our activities then you are opposed to the scientific consensus, hence a denier.

It will be increasingly apparent to deniers like yourself who want to delay taking the appropriate action that the consequences of climate change will trash the economy regardless.  The financial costs of these bushfires alone will damage the economy in the medium term.

That ‚Äúchildish‚Ä̬†sarcasm actually has to be explained to you. ¬†So it may be childish but it goes right over your head, mate.

When will you stop posting lies , you are a lier , post up where I have said the climate is not changing, I won’t hold my breath as you are a LIER as you can’t . 

you carry on and trash the countries economy and send it back to the Stone Age , your hysteria is getting worse by the day , do You run round town shout we’re doomed I tell you we’re doomed, 

start protecting the environment, stop cutting down trees ,Stop polluting the oceans , use more recycled materials, change will come as I have said many times but not in the space of time you want it as it’s totally unrealistic 

I will wager you that we will still be here in 5 years just the same as today the earth will not stop spinning , you are Al Gore Mk2 , just tell us which of his predictions over last 30 years has come to fruition? 
 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

When will you stop posting lies , you are a lier , post up where I have said the climate is not changing, I won’t hold my breath as you are a LIER as you can’t . 

you carry on and trash the countries economy and send it back to the Stone Age , your hysteria is getting worse by the day , do You run round town shout we’re doomed I tell you we’re doomed, 

start protecting the environment, stop cutting down trees ,Stop polluting the oceans , use more recycled materials, change will come as I have said many times but not in the space of time you want it as it’s totally unrealistic 

I will wager you that we will still be here in 5 years just the same as today the earth will not stop spinning , you are Al Gore Mk2 , just tell us which of his predictions over last 30 years has come to fruition? 
 

 

 

Two questions then?

Why is the climate getting warmer now?

what is a LIER?


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9 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Two questions then?

Why is the climate getting warmer now?

what is a LIER?

Sorry my bad on my spelling, the spelling I posted means somebody in a horizontal position, however  you fully know what I said LIAR is that better for you ,still waiting  for that post to prove me wrong and you are not a Iiar ,

you tell me why it’s getting warmer you appear to be the master of all knowledge, already debunked your claim of temps in hunter

you do need to clam down over all this everything will be fine , change will come 

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6 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

Sorry my bad on my spelling, the spelling I posted means somebody in a horizontal position, however  you fully know what I said LIAR is that better for you ,still waiting  for that post to prove me wrong and you are not a Iiar ,

you tell me why it’s getting warmer you appear to be the master of all knowledge, already debunked your claim of temps in hunter

you do need to clam down over all this everything will be fine , change will come 

It is getting warmer because the sun radiates heat into the earth’s atmosphere which then escapes back out into space.  Certain elements in the atmosphere serve to trap more of that heat and prevent it from escaping.

Two such elements are CO2 and methane.  Human activity has led to a marked and measurable increase in CO2 and methane levels in the atmosphere.

There are myriad other factors that influence the earth’s climate but the key variable in the past 200 years are man’s emissions.  200 years is a tiny blip in geological time (unless you believe in the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis).

If you have an alternative theory why the earth’s surface temperatures have risen by 1C in the past century on average then why not make it known.  If your theory can be tested and verified there is certainly a Nobel Prize in it for you as you will have successfully proven the scientific community wrong.

Unlike deniers I am prepared to admit that I am not as smart as scientists who study and specialise.  So I listen to what they have to say.

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The amount of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere is less than 0.04%. A huge problem¬†ūü§£ūü§£


I want it all, and I want it now.

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9 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

There are myriad other factors that influence the earth’s climate but the key variable in the past 200 years are man’s emissions.  200 years is a tiny blip in geological time (unless you believe in the literal interpretation of the book of Genesis).

So why do they quote figures from last 100 years , 200 years ago it’s been proved it was hotter , The Romans grew grapes in north of England when they were occupying the lands , it changes all the time. 

 

What is clear from my readings of past climate is that many factors can influence climate: solar activity, oscillations in Earth’s orbit, greenhouse gases, ice cover, vegetation on land (or the lack of it), the configuration of the continents, dust thrown up by volcanoes or wind, the weathering of rocks and so on. It’s not simply a one word answer , the current level of hysteria whipped up by left wing press is imho what is alarming. 
 

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10 hours ago, starlight7 said:

Wouldn’t that be a good thing for Scotland ? Think of all the extra tourists if the weather was better. Same applies to many other northern places. Why all the negatives when there are also positives?

No thanks!  30C is too warm and it's bad enough with the clouds of midges in warm humid weather during summer in Scotland as it is.

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28 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

So why do they quote figures from last 100 years , 200 years ago it’s been proved it was hotter , The Romans grew grapes in north of England when they were occupying the lands , it changes all the time. 

 

What is clear from my readings of past climate is that many factors can influence climate: solar activity, oscillations in Earth’s orbit, greenhouse gases, ice cover, vegetation on land (or the lack of it), the configuration of the continents, dust thrown up by volcanoes or wind, the weathering of rocks and so on. It’s not simply a one word answer , the current level of hysteria whipped up by left wing press is imho what is alarming. 
 

No, it has not been proved that 200 years ago the global average temperatures were higher.  Clearly you are parroting talking points from climate deniers here without referencing your source.

So, as global temperatures are not rising because of human emission of greenhouse gases (which you believe) which of those other theories are you backing, and why?  Get it right, prove the scientists have all got it wrong and your Nobel Prize awaits.

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56 minutes ago, Parley said:

The amount of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere is less than 0.04%. A huge problem¬†ūü§£ūü§£

Between 40-100% higher than at any time that our species has been on the planet.  It is rising at a rapid pace too.  At what level should we start to become concerned in your scientific opinion?

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18 hours ago, starlight7 said:

The way these cars are manufactured uses a lot of power , what are they doing about that?

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/08/27/tesla-gigafactory-to-be-powered-100-by-tesla-solar-by-end-of-2019/


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2 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

No, it has not been proved that 200 years ago the global average temperatures were higher.  Clearly you are parroting talking points from climate deniers here without referencing your source.

So, as global temperatures are not rising because of human emission of greenhouse gases (which you believe) which of those other theories are you backing, and why?  Get it right, prove the scientists have all got it wrong and your Nobel Prize awaits.

Keigwin's 1996 study of radiocarbon-dated box core data from marine sediments in the Sargasso Sea found that its sea surface temperature was approximately 1 ¬įC (1.8 ¬įF) cooler approximately 400¬†years ago¬†(the Little Ice Age) and 1700¬†years ago¬†and approximately 1 ¬įC¬†warmer 1000 years ago¬†(the Medieval Warm Period).

 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/last-1000-years

Theres a couple straight off , carry on with your hysteria It’s quite comical

stiil waiting for you to post where I stated¬†¬†I am a denier as you stated with your lies. ¬†also still waiting for you to produce the prediction ¬†that¬†your hero Al gore ¬†has come to fruition ūü§Ē

Think we might be some time ūüėČ

 

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1 hour ago, Rallyman said:

Keigwin's 1996 study of radiocarbon-dated box core data from marine sediments in the Sargasso Sea found that its sea surface temperature was approximately 1 ¬įC (1.8 ¬įF) cooler approximately 400¬†years ago¬†(the Little Ice Age) and 1700¬†years ago¬†and approximately 1 ¬įC¬†warmer 1000 years ago¬†(the Medieval Warm Period).

 

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/last-1000-years

Theres a couple straight off , carry on with your hysteria It’s quite comical

stiil waiting for you to post where I stated¬†¬†I am a denier as you stated with your lies. ¬†also still waiting for you to produce the prediction ¬†that¬†your hero Al gore ¬†has come to fruition ūü§Ē

Think we might be some time ūüėČ

 

Seriously, the Sargasso Sea and the medieval warm period is what you are relying on for GLOBAL climate data.  Just think about that.  For a claimed non-denier you parrot every single denier talking point.  If the cap fits why on earth should you not want to wear it.

You seem to be obsessed with Al Gore for some reason.  I have not and never would cite Al Gore as a scientific source.  He is a politician, not a scientist, albeit a rare one that has at least been on the right side of the debate.  He drew attention to the scientists stating decades ago that our activities would lead to rising global temperatures so, as you say that you agree that temperatures have risen you and your mate Al are in full accord.

You seem to hold to some other, undisclosed, theory for the rising temperatures other than it being man-made.  Produce your paper, get it peer-reviewed, and you will certainly get your Nobel Prize.

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43 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Seriously, the Sargasso Sea and the medieval warm period is what you are relying on for GLOBAL climate data.  Just think about that.  For a claimed non-denier you parrot every single denier talking point.  If the cap fits why on earth should you not want to wear it.

You seem to be obsessed with Al Gore for some reason.  I have not and never would cite Al Gore as a scientific source.  He is a politician, not a scientist, albeit a rare one that has at least been on the right side of the debate.  He drew attention to the scientists stating decades ago that our activities would lead to rising global temperatures so, as you say that you agree that temperatures have risen you and your mate Al are in full accord.

You seem to hold to some other, undisclosed, theory for the rising temperatures other than it being man-made.  Produce your paper, get it peer-reviewed, and you will certainly get your Nobel Prize.

What scientific qualifications do you have to make you so authoritative.

Weren't you in an office job at the Tax Department ?

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5 hours ago, Parley said:

The amount of CO2 in the earth's atmosphere is less than 0.04%. A huge problem¬†ūü§£ūü§£

Can you explain why?

 

 

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1 hour ago, Parley said:

What scientific qualifications do you have to make you so authoritative.

Weren't you in an office job at the Tax Department ?

Yes, I merely carried out tax investigations.  However to do that you need to be able to analyse data and review information critically.  Definitely not a scientist though.

That is why I am content to defer to the scientific consensus rather than act like I know more than they do or convince myself that I have found some flaw in their research that they must have missed.

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1 minute ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Yes, I merely carried out tax investigations.  However you need to be able to analyse data and review information critically.  Definitely not a scientist.

That is why I am content to defer to the scientific consensus rather than act like I know more than they do or convince myself that I have found some flaw in their research that they must have missed.

But you have a closed mind. Totally unwilling to listen to any differing opinions to your own.

On every subject too I might stress.

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5 minutes ago, Parley said:

But you have a closed mind. Totally unwilling to listen to any differing opinions to your own.

On every subject too I might stress.

Not at all.

I must admit that I don’t tolerate fools but if someone has a well-researched and thoughtfully constructed argument that is not simply a regurgitated meme or vacuous talking point then I am willing to be persuaded.

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4 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Not at all.

I must admit that I don’t tolerate fools but if someone has a well-researched and thoughtfully constructed argument that is not simply a regurgitated meme or vacuous talking point then I am willing to be persuaded.

Strange I have yet to see that in all the years you have been posting.

Oh well . One day maybe.


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15 minutes ago, Parley said:

Strange I have yet to see that in all the years you have been posting.

Oh well . One day maybe.

I keep hoping.

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2 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Seriously, the Sargasso Sea and the medieval warm period is what you are relying on for GLOBAL climate data.  Just think about that.  For a claimed non-denier you parrot every single denier talking point.  If the cap fits why on earth should you not want to wear it.

You seem to be obsessed with Al Gore for some reason.  I have not and never would cite Al Gore as a scientific source.  He is a politician, not a scientist, albeit a rare one that has at least been on the right side of the debate.  He drew attention to the scientists stating decades ago that our activities would lead to rising global temperatures so, as you say that you agree that temperatures have risen you and your mate Al are in full accord.

You seem to hold to some other, undisclosed, theory for the rising temperatures other than it being man-made.  Produce your paper, get it peer-reviewed, and you will certainly get your Nobel Prize.

You seem very obsessed with the Nobel prize , I quote Al gore as he has made vast sums of money from people like yourself who preach exactly what he tells you but for some reason you can’t actually give us an example of any of his predictions that have come to fruition just wild speculation , all a bit hypocritical but you won’t admit that. 
You carry on being a sheep I will hold judgment and be sceptical , you will not except a different view always your way or high way so typical of the left today. 
 

The facts are we don’t know 100% the full

truths but if you wish to be a sheep carry on , your hysteria is comical , 
you a fully willing to send Australia back to Stone Age to reduce our carbon footprint of 1.3% of world emissions , if you were in your tax job 1.3% would be dismissed in the big picture of something this size.

I will watch from distance now as we are going round in circles , I have given plenty of reasons and facts to be sceptical which you simply dismiss as it does not fit your criteria, here’s something forc you to think about in 20 years a conservative estimate ( on ABC radio last week ) there will be 900,000 tons of solar panels to dispose of in uk what you going to with them ? 

Best get ready for dooms day , as according to you we’re doomed. 
 

I see sirri likes¬†every post you put up but can‚Äôt actually¬†comment . ¬† Come on sirri I am sure you have plenty to say ūü§Ē

 

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7 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

You seem very obsessed with the Nobel prize , I quote Al gore as he has made vast sums of money from people like yourself who preach exactly what he tells you but for some reason you can’t actually give us an example of any of his predictions that have come to fruition just wild speculation , all a bit hypocritical but you won’t admit that. 
You carry on being a sheep I will hold judgment and be sceptical , you will not except a different view always your way or high way so typical of the left today. 
 

The facts are we don’t know 100% the full

truths but if you wish to be a sheep carry on , your hysteria is comical , 
you a fully willing to send Australia back to Stone Age to reduce our carbon footprint of 1.3% of world emissions , if you were in your tax job 1.3% would be dismissed in the big picture of something this size.

I will watch from distance now as we are going round in circles , I have given plenty of reasons and facts to be sceptical which you simply dismiss as it does not fit your criteria, here’s something forc you to think about in 20 years a conservative estimate ( on ABC radio last week ) there will be 900,000 tons of solar panels to dispose of in uk what you going to with them ? 

Best get ready for dooms day , as according to you we’re doomed. 
 

I see sirri likes¬†every post you put up but can‚Äôt actually¬†comment . ¬† Come on sirri I am sure you have plenty to say ūü§Ē

 

Do you actually read what you post?  I am not suggesting that you should, by the way as it really isn’t worth it.

A clear example of being so open-minded that your brain fell out.

I suggest that you stick to cutting and pasting those trusty climate-denying ‚Äėtalking points‚Äô from the flat-earth fraternity you admire so much.

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11 hours ago, Tulip1 said:

Are you back in England Quoll? Hope you’re having a good time if so. 

Yup, for a little while - likely a couple of months - enjoying every minute!!! Walking here is a darned sight better than walking in Canberra this post month but I just wish we had a hill or two!!!

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