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3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Nobody has stated anything like that, that is what will happen tho if we do not start to plan an orderly transition, don't plan and industries will have to close without notice, if you cannot see that then there is something wilful about it.

I think you will find it has been stated by ER and a number on here seem to support them, you need to read my post I have stated exactly that , your criticism is to the wrong person. 

 

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6 hours ago, Rallyman said:

All premiership teams have to have underground heating , it’s part of infrastructure requirements when getting promotions to PL , it’s only as you go down the pyramid systems you see games getting called off as stadiums are nowhere near standard of PL grounds. 

How many none premier games then in 19-20 ?


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12 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

No snow here , but once again how many days will that have been 

A couple of days - a week maybe in the north and scotland .

It was 11c in edinburgh last weekend .

The days of the u.k weather being a big minus are diminishing 

Fraid not mate. The winter may be a bit warmer but it's hardly reached the stage of not being a big minus. 

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21 hours ago, ssiri said:

 


That’s what you are going with? Which climate ‘expert’ published that theory then? In which journal?

By that theory Brexit should make that less of an issue then, closed borders and all. By that reckoning, frequent unseasonal rain and flood should become a thing of the past then. I’ll check in in the next few years to see how thats working out.

 

Common sense.

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36 minutes ago, Parley said:

500 renowned scientist and professionals (including 75 Australians have presented a petition declaring that there is no climate emergency.

https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf 

Have a read of this @Parley:

 

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/

"The letter contains direct lies and cherry picks information about carbon dioxide and climate change impacts that are designed to mislead."

"The text is a masterpiece: next to the political opinions expressed, every single sentence is either wrong, insignificant or irrelevant for the question whether climate change is a serious problem for humanity."

"The scientific content is completely inaccurate, undocumented, and fails to bring proof for its claims. "

"This is a gross untruth. "

"Whoever believes this is a moron of the highest order"

 

Hopefully it will help you being sucked in by such bunkum in the future.

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22 hours ago, ssiri said:

 

 


So there is no plan, you’ve said as much.

You think the cost to transition is expensive? I’ll check back with you each time the events of this summer repeat and we can tally costs then.

The first entry would be the costs of this summer’s, pre Covid19. events. Cost to the economy, peopje, wildlife, business - the lot. Get ready because I can see that ill be checking in often and frequently as the years and seasons rack up. We can then do the real cost comparison and cone yo a conclusion as to which approach was the costlier. Transition well, transition poorly or not at all .

 

 

Did you not read my first sentence?

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Did you not read my first sentence?


It was akin to saying I agree and understand about climate change, but....

or ‘ Im sorry for what said/did but....

Its a false equivalence and plain rationalisation, nothing more.

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5 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Fraid not mate. The winter may be a bit warmer but it's hardly reached the stage of not being a big

The winter here has been more than acceptable .

Would I swap the 6 - 12c this winter , for the goings on in other parts of the world .

I dont think so 


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On 27/02/2020 at 05:00, Rallyman said:

No not at you , you have no idea what mass unemployment is like when large employers shut down and have never experienced this first hand this is obvious by your comments. 

ok let’s do what you want by end of this year 2020 , stop all coal mining, shut the remaining coal fire power stations. 
where do you honestly see Australia if you got your way ? How many people will this effect and the finically stability of country. 
you are no more than a keyboard warrior sorry , you are retired no effect on your life

change will come but not in the time scale you demand as it’s not possible , 

Start protecting the environment, just because you drive an electric Car does not make you the saviour of the planet. 

 

 

So, what year is it acceptable to stop all coal mining, shut the remaining coal fire power stations, in your view?

Bear in mind though that whether that is 2025 or 2055 it will involve job losses.

 

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On 26/02/2020 at 12:12, Paul1Perth said:

Wars, probably nuclear if things get really bad. A pandemic like Coronavirus. 

When we were kids there was the nuclear threat, bay of pigs, big worry was what they then panicked about "peak oil" production. The thought that oil was finite and we had just about reached peak production. Everyone was worried that petrol would be unaffordable and how were people going to afford to heat homes in winter. 

Of course when we were young we didn't have mobile phones giving us bad news 24x7 to make us worry. Parents were the ones that did the worrying and kept the bad news to themselves. We didn't even watch the news, too busy out with mates kicking a football around.

Now the kids worry about stuff all the time. No wonder there's mental issues.

Better to remain ignorant in your view?

Then perhaps the younger generation won’t realise until its too late.

Is that your best strategy?

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16 hours ago, Parley said:

500 renowned scientist and professionals (including 75 Australians have presented a petition declaring that there is no climate emergency.

https://clintel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/ED-brochureversieNWA4.pdf 

Hardly any of those 500 people are scientists and those that may be are largely in unrelated fields of specialisation. A significant number are retired too.

Basically it is a petition signed by 500 people.  I see that the thoroughly discredited Viscount Monkton is a prime mover in this.  He has been a full-time paid climate-change denier for decades now.

Climate change denial is perhaps in its death throes.  Many of the leading lights in the movement will die of old age in the next decade as they continue their slide into senility.

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15 hours ago, unzippy said:

Have a read of this @Parley:

 

https://climatefeedback.org/evaluation/letter-signed-by-500-scientists-relies-on-inaccurate-claims-about-climate-science/

"The letter contains direct lies and cherry picks information about carbon dioxide and climate change impacts that are designed to mislead."

"The text is a masterpiece: next to the political opinions expressed, every single sentence is either wrong, insignificant or irrelevant for the question whether climate change is a serious problem for humanity."

"The scientific content is completely inaccurate, undocumented, and fails to bring proof for its claims. "

"This is a gross untruth. "

"Whoever believes this is a moron of the highest order"

 

Hopefully it will help you being sucked in by such bunkum in the future.

It was never designed to be anything other than a crutch for people who want to believe that our actions are not negatively impacting the planet’s climate and ecosystems.

In a global population of 7 billion finding 500 senile crackpots to sign a petition is always going to be possible.

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48 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

Better to remain ignorant in your view?

Then perhaps the younger generation won’t realise until its too late.

Is that your best strategy?

Sorry you are not making any sense 

please read my reply again , as said multiple times change will come but not to your liking and again without sounding like a stuck record  you have never experienced mass industrial closer 

so when you have walked in those shoes I will listen to fair comments 

again I ask close all mining down by end of year as that’s what you want what are you going to do to all those who lose their jobs along with 1000’s in small business that make up the economy, all too easy to from behind a keyboard. 
Start Protecting the environment , the eu pay farmers not to farm , do that to loggers your prevent cutting the lungs of the earth , we can find money to go to war we can find it for this 

you are not being responsible or reasonable in your demands . 

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The environment nut jobs have now cost thousands of jobs and revenue for the UK.

The Heathrow 3rd runway will now not proceed as it might impact the government's plans to go carbon neutral.

Sheer madness.

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I want it all, and I want it now.

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On 27/02/2020 at 09:08, BacktoDemocracy said:

Nobody has stated anything like that, that is what will happen tho if we do not start to plan an orderly transition, don't plan and industries will have to close without notice, if you cannot see that then there is something wilful about it.

Err that’s what I pointed out to GGS but somehow he/ she picks fault with my reply but is the exactly what he / she likes about your post   bizarre to say the least 

 

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12 hours ago, Parley said:

The environment nut jobs have now cost thousands of jobs and revenue for the UK.

How's that?

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Have to say this has been the worst Summer I remember. Just a few hot days, not enough to get into the Summer groove. Cold today and yesterday. Where are those long hot summers we used to have 20 years ago ? I am heartily sick of all the lies about warming - it has by passed us, that’s for sure.

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15 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Sorry you are not making any sense 

please read my reply again , as said multiple times change will come but not to your liking and again without sounding like a stuck record  you have never experienced mass industrial closer 

so when you have walked in those shoes I will listen to fair comments 

again I ask close all mining down by end of year as that’s what you want what are you going to do to all those who lose their jobs along with 1000’s in small business that make up the economy, all too easy to from behind a keyboard. 
Start Protecting the environment , the eu pay farmers not to farm , do that to loggers your prevent cutting the lungs of the earth , we can find money to go to war we can find it for this 

you are not being responsible or reasonable in your demands . 

I have never said anything about closing the coal mines this year as it would not be possible.  Your typical use of a strawman to dodge the question I have asked now 3 times.

What is needed is a strategy to end the use of the coal-fired power stations within 5 years and replace with renewable energy and storage.

Other countries will take longer to implement changes as they do not have the solar, wind and/or available land and sea to site solar panels and wind farms.  Precisely why Australia could make so much more money and have so many more jobs exporting renewable energy than the country ever did exporting coal.

It is telling that you have dodged the question now 3 times when you think the coal mines should be closed.  You do know that coal mining jobs are not forever don’t you - and why on earth should they be?

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3 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

6 games in the north - over one weekend 

Surely you remember the days when all games were called off for weeks on end 

In january 1979 , only 12 games were played in the old 1st division for the whole month 

 

1963 - the fa cup 3rd round took 66 days to complete because of the weather 


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3 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

6 games in the north - over one weekend 

Surely you remember the days when all games were called off for weeks on end 

9 games , yes can remember, also remember watching games played in snow with orange ball . 

The standard and technology of sporting stadiums has greatly improved with under soil heating and quality of playing surface

 

 

 

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23 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

I have never said anything about closing the coal mines this year as it would not be possible.  Your typical use of a strawman to dodge the question I have asked now 3 times.

What is needed is a strategy to end the use of the coal-fired power stations within 5 years and replace with renewable energy and storage.

Other countries will take longer to implement changes as they do not have the solar, wind and/or available land and sea to site solar panels and wind farms.  Precisely why Australia could make so much more money and have so many more jobs exporting renewable energy than the country ever did exporting coal.

It is telling that you have dodged the question now 3 times when you think the coal mines should be closed.  You do know that coal mining jobs are not forever don’t you - and why on earth should they be?

Ah the old straw man thrown in When you have lost the discussion. 

When have I said I want the mines closed ? I want them to stay open you really are not following this are you. 

YOU want coal mining closed down , you have no plan on how to do this to prevent what happened back in 80’s to uk work force,  no plan on  what to do with the work force , no plan or ideas on how support and small business will survive, no plan how to save the heart of local communities. 

I experienced heavy industries closing down and a work force thrown on scrap heap , you never have. 

when you have walked a mile in those shoes I will listen. 

Every country has wind available or is it selective that is a very silly comment to make along with solar if they can produce it in uk it can be used virtually anywhere in the world 

When you have a viable plan come back 

 

 

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