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1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

Where ? 

If you are referring to the north and a bit of snow - yes .

As I keep repeating , what used to fall as 6 months of snow - then freeze - then thaw , is now falling as rain .

As of today in solihull - no days below zero this winter , I cant think of any nights either this winter ,no snow , no ice ,daytime  temps between 6c - 12c .

It's now just wet .

Flooding in norton canes ,Shrewsbury,  herefordshire and many other parts .

But winter the way it used to be - no .

Premiership footballers playing in short sleeves over the weekend .

 

Seems a bit wishy washy with the seasons blending into each other e.g. all that rain and daffodils in January etc.  That is where you live of course.  Certainly not in Scotland and Yorkshire.  I have a friend on a farm near Coverdale, North Yorkshire and they have had a really cold winter with quite a bit of snow.  At least they've had the brains to make sure their lambs will be born round about Easter time not like some picture I've seen of new born lambs in the cold and the wet and some of them in the snow.  Poor little  things.

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Seems a bit wishy washy with the seasons blending into each other e.g. all that rain and daffodils in January etc.  That is where you live of course.  Certainly not in Scotland and Yorkshire.  I have a friend on a farm near Coverdale, North Yorkshire and they have had a really cold winter with quite a bit of snow.  At least they've had the brains to make sure their lambs will be born round about Easter time not like some picture I've seen of new born lambs in the cold and the wet and some of them in the snow.  Poor little  things.



The wishy washy weather has been this way for quite some time now, 20 years or more in the South East - so much so the Xmas snow in London bet at the bookies is not really worth a punt. Add to this, more recently the consistently warmer temperatures (for winter), and something is changing, and quickly (20,years is a short time for changes in climatology

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3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Speaking with family in N wales had a bit of snow also very cold down to 2-3* 

actually snowing now in my home town 

we never had 6 months of snow , might have a very small amount ore dec always the largest falls were end jan to feb with it sometimes hanging about ( rare ) to beginning of April 

I used to fish in a few winter league competitions the Severn was always flooding in winter around Shrewsbury along with many stretch’s of the Dee, farndon / Chester areas 

 

No we never had that either when I was growing up.  January/February were always a bit bleak.  I do remember mild winters then it snowed at Easter.  

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5 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

Where ? 

If you are referring to the north and a bit of snow - yes .

As I keep repeating , what used to fall as 6 months of snow - then freeze - then thaw , is now falling as rain .

As of today in solihull - no days below zero this winter , I cant think of any nights either this winter ,no snow , no ice ,daytime  temps between 6c - 12c .

It's now just wet .

Flooding in norton canes ,Shrewsbury,  herefordshire and many other parts .

But winter the way it used to be - no .

Premiership footballers playing in short sleeves over the weekend .

 

Mate I lived in Derbyshire for 30 odd years and I think you are overstating the 6 months of snow by about 90%. As a youngster I can remember maybe a few days where we had to tramp through snow to get to school and not many at all where we couldn't go. There was one winter I remember when our local fishing pond froze over for a few weeks and we used to play a form of ice hockey with our green flash on and a couple of sticks. My girlfriend used to live and work in Manchester and we used to visit each other just about every weekend. The snake pass was the best route and if there was any snow in the UK one of the first places closed. The number of times either one of us were stuck one side of the pennines or the other I could count on one hand though. Maybe a couple of times a year. Definitely never 6 months.

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19 hours ago, ssiri said:

 

 


Which implies they aren’t planning or preparing for transitioning. So yes they are procrastinating.

Having said that, assuming they are capable of the required innovation, this isn’t a massive issue. They will have it under control. If they aren’t capable of it, then they are panicking and need to pull the proverbial finger out. It’ll either be kicking or screaming, in a planned manner or get left behind. Their choice.

 

 

Left behind from what? They are planning and they know what needs to be done, problem is it costs millions for the technology needed to make the grid "smart" enough to cope. There's only one place that money is going to come from and that's increased electricity prices. Being as the current trend amongst all government factions is to promise cheaper electricity it would kind of blow the argument that you can have greener energy supply and cheaper prices. 

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16 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

It's about priorities, submarine building, building more roads and tunnels?!

Higher Taxation of multi national companies, withdrawing  tax advantages from polluting industries, making the mega rich contribute to the future of the planet thro higher taxes

None of it popular with the rich so never presented as policy options because the mega rich control our media and politicians

 

Higher taxation just means those multi nationals will relocate head offices and operations to somewhere they don't get taxed as much. Perth and WA would be in a sorry state if Rio, BHP, Woodside, Santos, Inpex, South42, FMG weren't based here, invested in Perth and poured their tax dollars into local and national governments. 

It's not popular policy with anyone that wants to keep their job, maintain their lifestyle and has an ounce of common sense.

Those types of socialist ideas are great for students and in theory, then you have to leave uni, maybe get married, mortgage, kids, job, have a few bills come in that have to be paid and your priorities and probably your political views change. You have to grow up.

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13 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

What things have you in mind?

Wars, probably nuclear if things get really bad. A pandemic like Coronavirus. 

When we were kids there was the nuclear threat, bay of pigs, big worry was what they then panicked about "peak oil" production. The thought that oil was finite and we had just about reached peak production. Everyone was worried that petrol would be unaffordable and how were people going to afford to heat homes in winter. 

Of course when we were young we didn't have mobile phones giving us bad news 24x7 to make us worry. Parents were the ones that did the worrying and kept the bad news to themselves. We didn't even watch the news, too busy out with mates kicking a football around.

Now the kids worry about stuff all the time. No wonder there's mental issues.

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3 hours ago, ssiri said:

 

 


The wishy washy weather has been this way for quite some time now, 20 years or more in the South East - so much so the Xmas snow in London bet at the bookies is not really worth a punt. Add to this, more recently the consistently warmer temperatures (for winter), and something is changing, and quickly (20,years is a short time for changes in climatology
 

 

 

So many people, roads, cars crammed into such a small area generates it's own heat. I can never remember snow hanging about very long, even where we lived when roads just got busier and busier. If it did it turned to dirty looking slush and not the pristine white stuff you see on christmas cards.

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6 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

Where ? 

If you are referring to the north and a bit of snow - yes .

As I keep repeating , what used to fall as 6 months of snow - then freeze - then thaw , is now falling as rain .

As of today in solihull - no days below zero this winter , I cant think of any nights either this winter ,no snow , no ice ,daytime  temps between 6c - 12c .

It's now just wet .

Flooding in norton canes ,Shrewsbury,  herefordshire and many other parts .

But winter the way it used to be - no .

Premiership footballers playing in short sleeves over the weekend .

 

Just watching UK news Bunbury. Yellow snow and ice warnings for a lot of the UK and Scotland.

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2 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Just watching UK news Bunbury. Yellow snow and ice warnings for a lot of the UK and Scotland.

Never eat yellow snow.

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I want it all, and I want it now.

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2 hours ago, Parley said:

Never eat yellow snow.

When a comma would have really helped.😎

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Left behind from what? They are planning and they know what needs to be done, problem is it costs millions for the technology needed to make the grid "smart" enough to cope. There's only one place that money is going to come from and that's increased electricity prices. Being as the current trend amongst all government factions is to promise cheaper electricity it would kind of blow the argument that you can have greener energy supply and cheaper prices. 



So there is no plan, you’ve said as much.

You think the cost to transition is expensive? I’ll check back with you each time the events of this summer repeat and we can tally costs then.

The first entry would be the costs of this summer’s, pre Covid19. events. Cost to the economy, peopje, wildlife, business - the lot. Get ready because I can see that ill be checking in often and frequently as the years and seasons rack up. We can then do the real cost comparison and cone yo a conclusion as to which approach was the costlier. Transition well, transition poorly or not at all .

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Wars, probably nuclear if things get really bad. A pandemic like Coronavirus. 
When we were kids there was the nuclear threat, bay of pigs, big worry was what they then panicked about "peak oil" production. The thought that oil was finite and we had just about reached peak production. Everyone was worried that petrol would be unaffordable and how were people going to afford to heat homes in winter. 
Of course when we were young we didn't have mobile phones giving us bad news 24x7 to make us worry. Parents were the ones that did the worrying and kept the bad news to themselves. We didn't even watch the news, too busy out with mates kicking a football around.
Now the kids worry about stuff all the time. No wonder there's mental issues.



That war is coming if we fail to transition and as precious resources that sustain life like land, water etc. become scarce is an inevitable no brainer.

it’s the other side of the same coin. Food becomes scarce, crops fail, climate and seasons continue to be inconsistent. Those with ideologies to rationalise the escalating and frequent events entrench them further, as justifications to persecute wars.

Welcome to a world in which human induced/accelerated climate changes continues, unchecked. The events of this century are just the beginning.
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So many people, roads, cars crammed into such a small area generates it's own heat. I can never remember snow hanging about very long, even where we lived when roads just got busier and busier. If it did it turned to dirty looking slush and not the pristine white stuff you see on christmas cards.


That’s what you are going with? Which climate ‘expert’ published that theory then? In which journal?

By that theory Brexit should make that less of an issue then, closed borders and all. By that reckoning, frequent unseasonal rain and flood should become a thing of the past then. I’ll check in in the next few years to see how thats working out.
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7 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Higher taxation just means those multi nationals will relocate head offices and operations to somewhere they don't get taxed as much. Perth and WA would be in a sorry state if Rio, BHP, Woodside, Santos, Inpex, South42, FMG weren't based here, invested in Perth and poured their tax dollars into local and national governments. 

It's not popular policy with anyone that wants to keep their job, maintain their lifestyle and has an ounce of common sense.

Those types of socialist ideas are great for students and in theory, then you have to leave uni, maybe get married, mortgage, kids, job, have a few bills come in that have to be paid and your priorities and probably your political views change. You have to grow up.

Fine lets ignore the problem, humanity is so over rated, by all means keep your jobs, pay the mortgage off and sit in your backgarden and have a barbie whilst you watch your grand kids asking' granddad, what happened to the grass and the trees'.

Seventeen pages and not a solitary indication that anything that's been said has swayed your conviction that it will work out without any pain and business as usual can carry on.

Rationalise it all away, unfortunately no amount of big business spin will make this problem go away

It seems that climate denial is a very cosy niche to occupy 

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19 hours ago, Rallyman said:

All very easy for  you to say in your retirement and from behind a keyboard. 
 

I can clearly remember Thatcher closing all heavy industry in the north with no plan on what to do with workforce, to this day some communities have never recovered.
 

You avoided my question and repeated your same point.

Assuming you accept that on some future date we will no longer mine coal or drill for oil then this will lead to job losses.  Why do those job losses matter more now than at a future date?

I suspect it is because putting off a problem is the same as solving it in your world.

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14 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Mate I lived in Derbyshire for 30 odd years and I think you are overstating the 6 months of snow by about 90%. As a youngster I can remember maybe a few days where we had to tramp through snow to get to school and not many at all where we couldn't go. There was one winter I remember when our local fishing pond froze over for a few weeks and we used to play a form of ice hockey with our green flash on and a couple of sticks. My girlfriend used to live and work in Manchester and we used to visit each other just about every weekend. The snake pass was the best route and if there was any snow in the UK one of the first places closed. The number of times either one of us were stuck one side of the pennines or the other I could count on one hand though. Maybe a couple of times a year. Definitely never 6 months.

I was referring to 6 months of bad weather with sub zero temps - it's a thing of the past 

Ok - so how many premiership games have been called off this season due to snow and ice ?- like the days when they used to sweep out the lines on the pitch 

How many games called off due to waterlogged pitches ?

There was an hour of snow north of brum last night , but nothing here .

The 2-3-4 months of bitter, freezing weather have in the main - gone .

It's in the main wet and mild 

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BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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14 hours ago, Paul1Perth said:

Just watching UK news Bunbury. Yellow snow and ice warnings for a lot of the UK and Scotland.

No snow here , but once again how many days will that have been 

A couple of days - a week maybe in the north and scotland .

It was 11c in edinburgh last weekend .

The days of the u.k weather being a big minus are diminishing 


BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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Just now, bunbury61 said:

No snow here , but once again how many days will that have been 

A couple of days - a week maybe in the north and scotland .

It was 11c in edinburgh last weekend .

The days of the u.k weather being a big minus are diminishing 

It's a bit sad ,because I have some real decent winter clobber I havent felt the need  to wear again .

A whole rack of scarves I havent worn yet 


BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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4.45pm today solihull - 

No snow here 

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BUT I DONT FEEL AFRAID

AS LONG AS I GAZE AT

WATERLOO SUNSET

IAM IN PARADISE

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8 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

You avoided my question and repeated your same point.

Assuming you accept that on some future date we will no longer mine coal or drill for oil then this will lead to job losses.  Why do those job losses matter more now than at a future date?

I suspect it is because putting off a problem is the same as solving it in your world.

No not at you , you have no idea what mass unemployment is like when large employers shut down and have never experienced this first hand this is obvious by your comments. 

ok let’s do what you want by end of this year 2020 , stop all coal mining, shut the remaining coal fire power stations. 
where do you honestly see Australia if you got your way ? How many people will this effect and the finically stability of country. 
you are no more than a keyboard warrior sorry , you are retired no effect on your life

change will come but not in the time scale you demand as it’s not possible , 

Start protecting the environment, just because you drive an electric Car does not make you the saviour of the planet. 

 

 

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We have snow forecast overnight and in the morning. I love to see a bit of snow.  So lovely for kids. There’s nothing nicer for kids than waking up to snow and finding out that schools off.  A whole day of snow fun, magic. 

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3 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

No snow here , but once again how many days will that have been 

A couple of days - a week maybe in the north and scotland .

It was 11c in edinburgh last weekend .

The days of the u.k weather being a big minus are diminishing 

Nope no snow, but loads of river towns and cities flooded

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4 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

I was referring to 6 months of bad weather with sub zero temps - it's a thing of the past 

Ok - so how many premiership games have been called off this season due to snow and ice ?- like the days when they used to sweep out the lines on the pitch 

How many games called off due to waterlogged pitches ?

There was an hour of snow north of brum last night , but nothing here .

The 2-3-4 months of bitter, freezing weather have in the main - gone .

It's in the main wet and mild 

All premiership teams have to have underground heating , it’s part of infrastructure requirements when getting promotions to PL , it’s only as you go down the pyramid systems you see games getting called off as stadiums are nowhere near standard of PL grounds. 

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3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

No not at you , you have no idea what mass unemployment is like when large employers shut down and have never experienced this first hand this is obvious by your comments. 

ok let’s do what you want by end of this year 2020 , stop all coal mining, shut the remaining coal fire power stations. 
where do you honestly see Australia if you got your way ? How many people will this effect and the finically stability of country. 
you are no more than a keyboard warrior sorry , you are retired no effect on your life

change will come but not in the time scale you demand as it’s not possible , 

Start protecting the environment, just because you drive an electric Car does not make you the saviour of the planet. 

 

 

Nobody has stated anything like that, that is what will happen tho if we do not start to plan an orderly transition, don't plan and industries will have to close without notice, if you cannot see that then there is something wilful about it.

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