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23 minutes ago, Bulya said:

A lot less.  Fitz (handkerchief boy) says $200-300k.  

If you believe that you really are delusional.

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Rugby Australia boss Raelene Castle has described reports that the organisation paid $8 million to Israel Folau as part of a legal settlement as "wildly inaccurate".

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22 minutes ago, Parley said:

If you believe that you really are delusional.

He knows better than just about anybody what’s  going on.  

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3 hours ago, Rallyman said:

If what has been touted $8 million it’s certainly not chicken feed and wouldn’t call it a win, I would call a win not paying a cent out in compensation. 

I hope he got a lot ( which I doubt) because he is unlikely to ever play again in Oceania

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9 hours ago, Parley said:

A team of the sassiest spin doctors can’t help Rugby Australia. They lost on Wednesday. Big time. It was an old-fashioned shellacking not seen since the Wallabies lost to England in the World Cup quarterfinal this year. Given that Westpac boss Brian Hartzer fell on his sword for a disaster he didn’t know about, surely RA boss Raelene Castle should resign for a disaster she personally orchestrated.

READ MORE: Rugby’s apology vindicated me: Folau | Rugby chief calls for cool heads | Fast track religious freedom, Israel urges

Put it this way. Earlier this year, Israel Folau, who was sacked by RA for posting on social media his religious beliefs, said: “First and foremost I am hoping for an apology from RA and an acknowledgment that even if they disagree with my views, I should be free to peacefully express my religious beliefs without fear of retribution or exclusion.”

 

Folau’s solicitor, George Haros, said an apology would “come a long way to resolving the dispute”.

Former Wallaby Israel Folau (left) and Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle arrive to commence mediation negotations on Tuesday. Pictures: AAP, Sarah Matray Former Wallaby Israel Folau (left) and Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle arrive to commence mediation negotations on Tuesday. Pictures: AAP, Sarah Matray

That was in August. Castle responded by saying RA would not apologise to Folau.

On Wednesday afternoon, following marathon mediation negotiations, RA wholeheartedly apologised to Folau. In fact, the humiliating settlement overseen by Castle saw RA “acknowledge and apologise for any hurt or harm caused” to both Israel and his wife, Maria. It reads like a mea culpa from RA for being part of the pile-on that Maria endured when she publicly supported her husband during this battle.

Folau received money from RA, too. That’s in addition to the $2.1m fighting fund to cover his legal expenses from Australians who support Folau’s right to express his religious views, even if many — like me — disagree vehemently with his views. That, after all, is the real test of our commitment to freedom of expression, and religious freedom, in a liberal democracy.

 
 
 
 
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU2:30

Folau claims 'vindication' by Rugby Australia deal

 
Rugby star Israel Folau claims he has been vindicated after reaching a settlement with Rugby Australia following his sacking over controversial social media posts. The govern...
 
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The money left over after legal costs will now be refunded.

It’s a safe bet that Folau received a decent sum, too. A source close to the litigation confirmed to The Australian it was a multimillion-dollar settlement. Why else would Folau settle, given what lay ahead?

Folau’s legal team, led by Stuart Wood QC, intended to call Pacific Islander members of the Wallabies to give evidence that they told Castle that RA’s treatment of Folau was causing them great distress. In other words, entirely contradicting Castle’s claims that Folau’s actions were the cause of sinking team morale.

Folau’s team could have called Qantas boss Alan Joyce too, to determine who was calling the shots, potentially encouraging RA to breach section 772 of the Fair Work Act, which prohibits an employer from sacking an employee for unlawful reasons, including a person’s religion.

 
 
 
 
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU6:59

'Honourable' Folau 'deserves another chance'

 
Sky News host Graham Richardson says he believes Israel Folau is an "honourable" person and should get another chance at being a professional sportsman at the highest level. ...
 
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Just as it is clear that Folau settled because he has walked away with a stonking big win — an apology and a healthy sum of money — it is equally clear that RA rolled over because it couldn’t bear a court case. And another year of being reminded of its hopeless mishandling of this matter.

And imagine the relief on Kate Eastman’s face on Wednesday afternoon. Folau’s team was set to argue that the Sydney barrister’s role in the original tribunal hearing that led to Folau’s sacking raised questions of bias, or perceptions of bias. Eastman, a human rights lawyer, has a long history of supporting LGBTI causes. Good on her, that is her business. But her inclusion on the tribunal to sit in judgment on a devout Christian was a silly stunt that backfired badly.

Speaking of human rights, it’s high time that freedom of expression was reinstated as one of our most fundamental human rights. But that will have to wait.

 
 
 
 
THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU5:32

Folau 'farce' was 'badly handled from the beginning'

 
Journalist and presenter Mike Jeffreys says the Rugby Australia, Israel Folau “farce” was “very badly handled from the beginning”. Rugby Australia and Israel Folau reached a...
 
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Though Wednesday’s confidential settlement is a terrific win for Folau, some bigger questions remain unanswered in strict legal terms. A legal determination is still needed so that workers in this country know if they can be terminated, more or less at will, for expressing their religious beliefs under vaguely drafted, and subjectively interpreted, codes of conduct.

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Janet Albrechtsen is an opinion columnist with The Australian. She has worked as a solicitor in commercial law, and attained a Doctorate of Juridical Studies from the University of Sydney. She has written for n... Read more

In her opinion!

Another apologist for these so called Christians

I do love the big print, it makes reading it even more unpleasent

 

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A team of the sassiest spin doctors can’t help Rugby Australia. They lost on Wednesday. Big time. It was an old-fashioned shellacking not seen since the Wallabies lost to England in the World Cup quarterfinal this year. Given that Westpac boss Brian Hartzer fell on his sword for a disaster he didn’t know about, surely RA boss Raelene Castle should resign for a disaster she personally orchestrated.

READ MORE: Rugby’s apology vindicated me: Folau Rugby chief calls for cool heads | Fast track religious freedom, Israel urges

Put it this way. Earlier this year, Israel Folau, who was sacked by RA for posting on social media his religious beliefs, said: “First and foremost I am hoping for an apology from RA and an acknowledgment that even if they disagree with my views, I should be free to peacefully express my religious beliefs without fear of retribution or exclusion.”

 

Folau’s solicitor, George Haros, said an apology would “come a long way to resolving the dispute”.

99222cfbcf4c0ae9009296c0237fbed3?width=650&key=d7159f528b1cd2eea7b2253fa15b28aa1700f2c552cac680bae974f6e5926978 Former Wallaby Israel Folau (left) and Rugby Australia CEO Raelene Castle arrive to commence mediation negotations on Tuesday. Pictures: AAP, Sarah Matray

That was in August. Castle responded by saying RA would not apologise to Folau.

On Wednesday afternoon, following marathon mediation negotiations, RA wholeheartedly apologised to Folau. In fact, the humiliating settlement overseen by Castle saw RA “acknowledge and apologise for any hurt or harm caused” to both Israel and his wife, Maria. It reads like a mea culpa from RA for being part of the pile-on that Maria endured when she publicly supported her husband during this battle.

Folau received money from RA, too. That’s in addition to the $2.1m fighting fund to cover his legal expenses from Australians who support Folau’s right to express his religious views, even if many — like me — disagree vehemently with his views. That, after all, is the real test of our commitment to freedom of expression, and religious freedom, in a liberal democracy.

     
  THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU2:30

Folau claims 'vindication' by Rugby Australia deal

  Rugby star Israel Folau claims he has been vindicated after reaching a settlement with Rugby Australia following his sacking over controversial social media posts. The govern...   player&key=1318bdd0a34b744084500a480549152efa5556618422a5c091b0232efb1bdbe4

The money left over after legal costs will now be refunded.

It’s a safe bet that Folau received a decent sum, too. A source close to the litigation confirmed to The Australian it was a multimillion-dollar settlement. Why else would Folau settle, given what lay ahead?

Folau’s legal team, led by Stuart Wood QC, intended to call Pacific Islander members of the Wallabies to give evidence that they told Castle that RA’s treatment of Folau was causing them great distress. In other words, entirely contradicting Castle’s claims that Folau’s actions were the cause of sinking team morale.

Folau’s team could have called Qantas boss Alan Joyce too, to determine who was calling the shots, potentially encouraging RA to breach section 772 of the Fair Work Act, which prohibits an employer from sacking an employee for unlawful reasons, including a person’s religion.

     
  THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU6:59

'Honourable' Folau 'deserves another chance'

  Sky News host Graham Richardson says he believes Israel Folau is an "honourable" person and should get another chance at being a professional sportsman at the highest level. ...   player&key=bceeec27af3061bac31b172258fcd1288cf49687022e3e45872f51eaeacd657b

Just as it is clear that Folau settled because he has walked away with a stonking big win — an apology and a healthy sum of money — it is equally clear that RA rolled over because it couldn’t bear a court case. And another year of being reminded of its hopeless mishandling of this matter.

And imagine the relief on Kate Eastman’s face on Wednesday afternoon. Folau’s team was set to argue that the Sydney barrister’s role in the original tribunal hearing that led to Folau’s sacking raised questions of bias, or perceptions of bias. Eastman, a human rights lawyer, has a long history of supporting LGBTI causes. Good on her, that is her business. But her inclusion on the tribunal to sit in judgment on a devout Christian was a silly stunt that backfired badly.

Speaking of human rights, it’s high time that freedom of expression was reinstated as one of our most fundamental human rights. But that will have to wait.

     
  THEAUSTRALIAN.COM.AU5:32

Folau 'farce' was 'badly handled from the beginning'

  Journalist and presenter Mike Jeffreys says the Rugby Australia, Israel Folau “farce” was “very badly handled from the beginning”. Rugby Australia and Israel Folau reached a...   player&key=60c5b560e69ce6ddc62b67cf3743d4fdaa67c20901524a6c7aa1bca85c7e865b

Though Wednesday’s confidential settlement is a terrific win for Folau, some bigger questions remain unanswered in strict legal terms. A legal determination is still needed so that workers in this country know if they can be terminated, more or less at will, for expressing their religious beliefs under vaguely drafted, and subjectively interpreted, codes of conduct.

JANET ALBRECHTSEN

janet_albrechtsen.png&key=8656f8474f105a3814fe17e64e177287424bad6ca93a580c6b6ffe22e69d1378 COLUMNIST Janet Albrechtsen is an opinion columnist with The Australian. She has worked as a solicitor in commercial law, and attained a Doctorate of Juridical Studies from the University of Sydney. She has written for n... Read more



Opinion column, masquerading as fact? Bottom of the barrel is being scraped to keep the lie going. Not a surprise really.

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To be expected from Albrechtsen.  

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It’s a poxy opinion piece, masquerading as ‘the truth’
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RA didn't lose:  they reached an out of court settlement.  It happens every day in legal disputes all over Australia.  It's highly desireable if at all possible because it saves everyone a lot of time, energy and money (apart from the lawyers who would have made squillions more by taking it to court).   And you seem to overlook the fact that IF also apologised.    Now I hope the sorry saga is over and RA can get on with its core business of rugby for the people.

 

 

Every organisation wants to settle. They don’t need the hassle, so yes, spot on. They got what they wanted, a quick win, which would have been less expensive.

 

The money grabber if he backed himself probably would have got more than whatever the settlement was, if he had a leg to stand on. Obviously he didn’t (have a leg to stand on)

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I hope he got a lot ( which I doubt) because he is unlikely to ever play again in Oceania

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The figure he wanted $14m, he didn’t t get. A figure of$8m is being touted but dismissed by RA, I’d expect, legitimately so, because disclosing would normally be a breach of settlement, leading to damages at least RA getting its money back, via breach of settlement conditions
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11 minutes ago, ssiri said:


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It’s a poxy opinion piece, masquerading as ‘the truth’

And "The Australian Christian Lobby" is a major supporter of IF along with its very shadowy funding

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ACL supports:

marriage as defined by 2004 amendments to the Marriage Act, where the definition is, "marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life"[90] ACL and others campaigned unsuccessfully for the 'no-change' case in the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey.[91]the nuclear family comprising a mother and father and their biological children with the family as the best environment for children[92][93]parents rights, including the use of conversion therapy to change children's sexual orientation[94][95][96]removal of superannuation-discrimination for same-sex couples[70][97]censorship:of video games[98][99][100][101][102]of the internet through an internet blacklist[103][104][105][106]of outdoor advertising[107][108][109][110][111][112][113]of a slaughter art show[114]reduction of global poverty[115][116]freedom of religion and belief - following Australian rugby player Israel Folau's contract termination, ACL established a donation site to raise funds for legal fees for his defence[117][118] with the public donating $2 million in 24 hours.[119] Following Folau's settlement with Rugby Australia and NSW Rugby, he thanked his supporters, "as well as" Martyn Iles and the ACL.[120]religious freedom for Christians globally[121][122][123][124][125][126]provision of asylum for refugees, particularly Christian refugees[127][128][129]Christian chaplains in schools.[130]recognising Indigenous Australians in the Constitution of Australia[69]increasing foreign aid spending[69]OpposesEdit

ACL opposes:

abortion[131][132] and the establishment of safe zones to protect women seeking abortion from harassment by protestors[133][134]euthanasia[135][136][137][138][139][140]surrogacy[141]certain LGBTIQ rights in Australia, such as same-sex marriage, LGBTIQ parenting and LGBTIQ adoption, and have campaigned for the rights of church-owned schools to be able to legally discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation[142]same-sex marriage: opposing any amendment to the 2004 definition of marriage in the Marriage Act (1961)[143][90][144][145] and limits on speech against,[146][147][148] initially also opposing legal recognition same sex civil unions[149]surrogacy and adoption by gays and lesbians[150][151][152][153][154][155][156][157]certain treatments of sexuality in school settings[142][158][159]the Safe Schools program[160] and a year 8 school program entitled Respectful Relationships[161][162] and asked for the withdrawal of $8 million allocated to the Australia-wide program[163][164]current halal certification arrangements[165]gambling[166][167][168][169][170]prostitution[171][172][173][174]the introduction of a charter of rights by the Commonwealth Government[175]

 

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10 minutes ago, ssiri said:


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The figure he wanted $14m, he didn’t t get. A figure of$8m is being touted but dismissed by RA, I’d expect, legitimately so, because disclosing would normally be a breach of settlement, leading to damages at least RA getting its money back, via breach of settlement conditions

You really are bitter about this  Why is that ? 

 

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And "The Australian Christian Lobby" is a major supporter of IF along with its very shadowy funding
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ACL supports:
marriage as defined by 2004 amendments to the Marriage Act, where the definition is, "marriage means the union of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others, voluntarily entered into for life"[90] ACL and others campaigned unsuccessfully for the 'no-change' case in the Australian Marriage Law Postal Survey.[91]the nuclear family comprising a mother and father and their biological children with the family as the best environment for children[92][93]parents rights, including the use of conversion therapy to change children's sexual orientation[94][95][96]removal of superannuation-discrimination for same-sex couples[70][97]censorship:of video games[98][99][100][101][102]of the internet through an internet blacklist[103][104][105][106]of outdoor advertising[107][108][109][110][111][112][113]of a slaughter art show[114]reduction of global poverty[115][116]freedom of religion and belief - following Australian rugby player Israel Folau's contract termination, ACL established a donation site to raise funds for legal fees for his defence[117][118] with the public donating $2 million in 24 hours.[119] Following Folau's settlement with Rugby Australia and NSW Rugby, he thanked his supporters, "as well as" Martyn Iles and the ACL.[120]religious freedom for Christians globally[121][122][123][124][125][126]provision of asylum for refugees, particularly Christian refugees[127][128][129]Christian chaplains in schools.[130]recognising Indigenous Australians in the Constitution of Australia[69]increasing foreign aid spending[69]OpposesEdit
ACL opposes:
abortion[131][132] and the establishment of safe zones to protect women seeking abortion from harassment by protestors[133][134]euthanasia[135][136][137][138][139][140]surrogacy[141]certain LGBTIQ rights in Australia, such as same-sex marriage, LGBTIQ parenting and LGBTIQ adoption, and have campaigned for the rights of church-owned schools to be able to legally discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation[142]same-sex marriage: opposing any amendment to the 2004 definition of marriage in the Marriage Act (1961)[143][90][144][145] and limits on speech against,[146][147][148] initially also opposing legal recognition same sex civil unions[149]surrogacy and adoption by gays and lesbians[150][151][152][153][154][155][156][157]certain treatments of sexuality in school settings[142][158][159]the Safe Schools program[160] and a year 8 school program entitled Respectful Relationships[161][162] and asked for the withdrawal of $8 million allocated to the Australia-wide program[163][164]current halal certification arrangements[165]gambling[166][167][168][169][170]prostitution[171][172][173][174]the introduction of a charter of rights by the Commonwealth Government[175]
 



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19 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

You really are bitter about this  Why is that ? 

 

I'll tell you why I find it a load of bollax, because the man is masquerading as a Christian when all he is is a inadequate man spouting a load of hate and prejudice and using his position as a pumped up sportsman as a platform for all his bile.

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1 minute ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I'll tell you why I find it a load of bollax, because the man is masquerading as a Christian when all he is is a inadequate man spouting a load of hate and prejudice and using his position as a pumped up sportsman as a platform for all his bile.

Err I never asked you , but your reply is the same old same old , your not even living in Australia , has no effect on you but it bothers you ? 

If it effects you that much don’t read or reply to thread, simples this 

 

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10 minutes ago, Rallyman said:

Err I never asked you , but your reply is the same old same old , your not even living in Australia , has no effect on you but it bothers you ? 

If it effects you that much don’t read or reply to thread, simples this 

 

Since when were you appointed as the arbiter of who can post on this site.

Oh, I forgot, you promoted yourself and your opinions.

Just wanted to get my view out there about all these prejudiced people who find the Bible a useful screen for their hate and prejudices.

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21 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I'll tell you why I find it a load of bollax, because the man is masquerading as a Christian when all he is is a inadequate man spouting a load of hate and prejudice and using his position as a pumped up sportsman as a platform for all his bile.

A bit like Anthony Mundine then - Aussie footballer turned boxer.  A loud mouth also spouting a load of hate and prejudice.  He is Muslim.  One of his many statements is men are allowed to beat their wives.

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1 hour ago, Toots said:

A bit like Anthony Mundine then - Aussie footballer turned boxer.  A loud mouth also spouting a load of hate and prejudice.  He is Muslim.  One of his many statements is men are allowed to beat their wives.

I agree, anyone using religion as an excuse for abhorrent views should just shut up, just because they are in the public lime light doesn't give them the right to spout their hate filled prejudices. 

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8 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Since when were you appointed as the arbiter of who can post on this site.

Oh, I forgot, you promoted yourself and your opinions.

Just wanted to get my view out there about all these prejudiced people who find the Bible a useful screen for their hate and prejudices.

As said I didn’t ask for your opinion as we all know what it will entail, ssiri has been very vocal on here and used some choice language at times just wondered why so bitter and upset , 

 

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6 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

I agree, anyone using religion as an excuse for abhorrent views should just shut up, just because they are in the public lime light doesn't give them the right to spout their hate filled prejudices. 

 

why are you allowed to spout your hate filled prejudices ?

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A bit like Anthony Mundine then - Aussie footballer turned boxer.  A loud mouth also spouting a load of hate and prejudice.  He is Muslim.  One of his many statements is men are allowed to beat their wives.



If he thinks men should be allowed to beat their wives, he should be given no platform, just as Folau shouldn’t. Both sets of views are deeply abhorrent and an acting to human decency.

Presumably Mundine’s mouthing off is being tolerated by his employer then, when iit shouldn’t be?

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8 hours ago, Toots said:

A bit like Anthony Mundine then - Aussie footballer turned boxer.  A loud mouth also spouting a load of hate and prejudice.  He is Muslim.  One of his many statements is men are allowed to beat their wives.

If that is what his religion teaches, who are we to question it?

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why are you allowed to spout your hate filled prejudices ?



If calling out gobshites like Mundine and Folau for their despicable views and behaviour is hate filled prejudice, somebody better give that memo to the PM - ScoMo.

He clearly didn’t get it when he effectively told Folau to leave it out - the bushfires debacle. Never thought it was possible, but there you have it, I’m in agreement with the PM- prejudiced and hate filled, we stand up to reprehensible actions and words.

Nevermind, whilst that camaraderie may be short lived, and standing up against privileged fools may be unfashionable in Australia we’ll carry on calling them and their behaviour out.
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If that is what his religion teaches, who are we to question it?

 

 

We just have. It’s equal opportunity scrutiny for all the wingnutts, not just the Muslim ones. Christians too - the ones who go on about bush fires being god’s wrath for not being prejudiced against gays..

 

In other news, in the UK the Muslim lobby group in Birmingham lost their abhorrent battle to ban teaching about same sex relationships in schools. This extended to turning up to the school/s mob handed, chanting and abusing the kids and teachers under the guise of ‘peaceful protest’ Glad to see the UK Govt and law hasn’t lost it’s balls when calling these homoohobe cretins out, and to account.

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 (Dave) "And as the final whistle blows on this unbelievable match we go down to Reg on the sideline";

(Reg) "Thanks Dave. Well what a match we have seen here today ladies and gentlemen. The game had everything, lots of penalties and a preference by both teams to keep it in the scrum rather than running with the ball. Falou was the stand out player for me Dave. He kept it in the middle, which worked wonders in the end, despite some solid offense ".

(Reg) "Just repeating the final score:

Real World Wanderers: 8,000,000 

PC United: Nil.

This is Reg on the sideline, and its back to you Dave". 

 

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 (Dave) "And as the final whistle blows on this unbelievable match we go down to Reg on the sideline";
(Reg) "Thanks Dave. Well what a match we have seen here today ladies and gentlemen. The game had everything, lots of penalties and a preference by both teams to keep it in the scrum rather than running with the ball. Falou was the stand out player for me Dave. He kept it in the middle, which worked wonders in the end, despite some solid offense ".
(Reg) "Just repeating the final score:
Real World Wanderers: 8,000,000 
PC United: Nil.
This is Reg on the sideline, and its back to you Dave". 
 



So risible that an unsubstantiated account is made into a joke. Pure comedy gold.

The factknown to us are:

RA - settled undisclosed amount, $8M figure is a pure unsubstantiated fantasy.

Folau - Not getting his day to crusade in court, and get damages of $14M he wanted
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