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Stop the boats!

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3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Why.

Truthfully

to save lives?

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5 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Why.

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To stop people drowning maybe.

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They need to be stopped.

Ninety migrants have been intercepted while trying to reach the UK, including women and children.

It is the biggest surge of migrants intercepted in the English Channel and Dover in any one day.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-40-suspected-migrants-intercepted-in-english-channel-11927476?fbclid=IwAR0fQjg1LTUg78C1P75ECo0rO9raoyBTgIuJyfP137UpnXvd3HkV2YFHxyA

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30 minutes ago, simmo said:

They need to be stopped.

Ninety migrants have been intercepted while trying to reach the UK, including women and children.

It is the biggest surge of migrants intercepted in the English Channel and Dover in any one day.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-40-suspected-migrants-intercepted-in-english-channel-11927476?fbclid=IwAR0fQjg1LTUg78C1P75ECo0rO9raoyBTgIuJyfP137UpnXvd3HkV2YFHxyA

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4 minutes ago, starlight7 said:

Send them to the isle of wight

No.

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On 13/08/2019 at 17:19, simmo said:

to save lives?

I have doubts about your conviction, but your argument is sound. Taking them back to France and jailing the trafficers is the only thing that will stop them. 

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28 minutes ago, newjez said:

Why don't they just take them back to France?

I believe that they have to go to the nearest country so over half way and we get them.  It’s a joke, they pretty much all get to stay. I’m understanding of genuine cases but most of these are just trying their luck for a better life. Wanting a better life isn’t that same as escaping atrocities but they get to stay still. The few token women and kids came too, just to soften it. We are such a soft touch and it will get worse now because France has openly said they won’t police their border as much now we’ve left the EU. Why should they I guess, we are not part of them now so they don’t have to care so much. 

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Do they get financial help?

People awaiting an asylum decision are given an allowance to live on.

As well as housing assistance:

  • A single person gets £36.95 per week
  • A single parent with one child gets £73.90
  • A single parent with two children gets £110.85
  • A couple with two children gets £147.80

The amounts were recently reduced by the government.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work in the UK. But if their asylum claim takes more than a year to be processed, they can apply for the right to work.

How many are accepted?

There were 25,020 asylum applications in the UK in the year up to March, a 5% increase on the previous year.

Asylum or an alternative form of protection was granted in 40% of cases - up from 36% the year before.


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19 minutes ago, Perthbum said:

Do they get financial help?

People awaiting an asylum decision are given an allowance to live on.

As well as housing assistance:

  • A single person gets £36.95 per week
  • A single parent with one child gets £73.90
  • A single parent with two children gets £110.85
  • A couple with two children gets £147.80

The amounts were recently reduced by the government.

Asylum seekers are not allowed to work in the UK. But if their asylum claim takes more than a year to be processed, they can apply for the right to work.

How many are accepted?

There were 25,020 asylum applications in the UK in the year up to March, a 5% increase on the previous year.

Asylum or an alternative form of protection was granted in 40% of cases - up from 36% the year before.

Remember they are human beings

One person and a child get 73.90 to cover food, toiletries, sanitary goods, shoes, clothes, ( incuding warm clothing, transport, does that include heating and lighting,  milk, it seems to me that is the equivalent of being in the workhouse, a year living on that in some of the poorest parts of the poorest towns and cities in England must be the equivalent to serving a prison sentence

It costs approx 36,000 pounds a year avg to keep one prisoner in prison, that's around 750 pounds per week.that is 10 times what a refugee with possibly qualifications, possibly, and likely willing to work.

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3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Remember they are human beings

One person and a child get 73.90 to cover food, toiletries, sanitary goods, shoes, clothes, ( incuding warm clothing, transport, does that include heating and lighting,  milk, it seems to me that is the equivalent of being in the workhouse, a year living on that in some of the poorest parts of the poorest towns and cities in England must be the equivalent to serving a prison sentence

It costs approx 36,000 pounds a year avg to keep one prisoner in prison, that's around 750 pounds per week.that is 10 times what a refugee with possibly qualifications, possibly, and likely willing to work.

That is just the cash part they get. You have failed to mention the cost of their accommodation. They also get access to all medical/education available and translators for everything.  All offered counselling too. Many charities and churches help them out a lot. This should all be offered to genuine refugees fleeing their home country because they have no choice. Leaving their home country to try their luck at finding a better place to live is a different thing. 

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4 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Remember they are human beings

One person and a child get 73.90 to cover food, toiletries, sanitary goods, shoes, clothes, ( incuding warm clothing, transport, does that include heating and lighting,  milk, it seems to me that is the equivalent of being in the workhouse, a year living on that in some of the poorest parts of the poorest towns and cities in England must be the equivalent to serving a prison sentence

It costs approx 36,000 pounds a year avg to keep one prisoner in prison, that's around 750 pounds per week.that is 10 times what a refugee with possibly qualifications, possibly, and likely willing to work.

90% are men, where are the women and children?

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4 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

That is just the cash part they get. You have failed to mention the cost of their accommodation. They also get access to all medical/education available and translators for everything.  All offered counselling too. Many charities and churches help them out a lot. This should all be offered to genuine refugees fleeing their home country because they have no choice. Leaving their home country to try their luck at finding a better place to live is a different thing. 

If you lived in a country with no political freedom, no choice of a job and often no prospects of a job, where the police have the freedom to beat you, where disease is rampant, where you or your female relatives are seen as potential rape victims every day, where wharever money you might earn is robbed off you by the police or army just to make sure you are not molested, where at any time you can be arrested and extortdd on trumped up charges, what would you do if you knew there was a country where that didn’t  happen, I think you would do anything it took you to escape to that country and if you can speak some English because that is the colonial language you might even risk your life to get to that english speaking country.

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14 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

That is just the cash part they get. You have failed to mention the cost of their accommodation. They also get access to all medical/education available and translators for everything.  All offered counselling too. Many charities and churches help them out a lot. This should all be offered to genuine refugees fleeing their home country because they have no choice. Leaving their home country to try their luck at finding a better place to live is a different thing. 

Have you seen the accommodation, provided by massive private landlords who have bought up streets of slum properties across the north and paid mega bucks to house these people in shite conditions, deliberately  painting front doors in one bright colour so that the whold neighbourhood can victimise them.

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50 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

If you lived in a country with no political freedom, no choice of a job and often no prospects of a job, where the police have the freedom to beat you, where disease is rampant, where you or your female relatives are seen as potential rape victims every day, where wharever money you might earn is robbed off you by the police or army just to make sure you are not molested, where at any time you can be arrested and extortdd on trumped up charges, what would you do if you knew there was a country where that didn’t  happen, I think you would do anything it took you to escape to that country and if you can speak some English because that is the colonial language you might even risk your life to get to that english speaking country.

If I lived in a place like that maybe I would try and get to a better place. But that’s what I’ve said. They are not refugees with no home and no choice but to flee. They are not happy with the life they’ve got and are trying to get a better one. If that reason is fair enough then half the world would be turning up.   Almost all that cross the channel in boats are men, just the odd few women and kids arrive. These men clearly don’t have all their money taken away from them as they all look like big, strapping men and have paid a lot to the smugglers. I have seen them on tv on the border force boats on their smart phones smiling. They’ve realised they’ve just won the lottery. But they’ve left all their female family and friends back home to get raped and molested.........🤔

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40 minutes ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Have you seen the accommodation, provided by massive private landlords who have bought up streets of slum properties across the north and paid mega bucks to house these people in shite conditions, deliberately  painting front doors in one bright colour so that the whold neighbourhood can victimise them.

Oh, we are discussing accommodation now? I simply responded to your statement of how much is spent on them as you’d failed to include the fact that accommodation is also paid for. 

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Just seen another 102 picked up in the channel today  

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44 minutes ago, Tulip1 said:

Just seen another 102 picked up in the channel today  

FFS  !! wait until the weather warms up

Why wouldn't  they want to stay in the EUtopia

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These ones are from Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan.  

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2 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

If you lived in a country with no political freedom, no choice of a job and often no prospects of a job, where the police have the freedom to beat you, where disease is rampant, where you or your female relatives are seen as potential rape victims every day, where wharever money you might earn is robbed off you by the police or army just to make sure you are not molested, where at any time you can be arrested and extortdd on trumped up charges, what would you do if you knew there was a country where that didn’t  happen, I think you would do anything it took you to escape to that country and if you can speak some English because that is the colonial language you might even risk your life to get to that english speaking country.

Why are they almost all men?


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43 minutes ago, simmo said:

FFS  !! wait until the weather warms up

Why wouldn't  they want to stay in the EUtopia

Bet they dont come over sunday night,

 


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