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47 minutes ago, simmo said:

No clue....

So why when there is wind, but no fire,  is windy weather used as a predictor of bushfire risk severity? There is no fire weather system, because there is no fire? Convection and wind are different things.

How do they predict the direction of lateral spread of fire, if not for prevailing wind strength and direction, that they can predict each day and target fire defences?  It's not a difficult concept to understand, but yeah...no clue.

https://www.bushfirecrc.com/news/media-release/wind-and-bushfire-weather

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WIND AND BUSHFIRE WEATHER

Wind – the key factor for dangerous bushfire weather

Wind speed plays a bigger role than temperature in creating dangerous conditions for bushfires, says Dr Andrew Dowdy a physicist from the Bureau of Meteorology.

His work with the Bushfire Cooperative Research Centre has led to new possibilities for predicting bushfire conditions based on the weather. It will be presented for the first time in public this week at Fresh Science – a national science communication boot camp at the Melbourne Museum.

Andrew is one of 16 winners from across Australia.

In fact, temperature is the third-ranked factor in predicting severe bushfire weather conditions behind wind speed and low humidity, Andrew says. He hopes that a greater understanding of weather conditions associated with bushfires will result in better preparation, faster response and a reduction in the damage they cause.

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13 minutes ago, Paul1Perth said:

How long a warning do they have for the really windy conditions we had though. Actually does it really matter how long, they can't stop it being windy, all they can do is prepare for the worst, which it seemed to be this year.

It seems to be pretty accurate a day or two before.  So wind goes out to sea in the morning, comes in from the sea at night, regular as clockwork.   You have the Freemantle Doctor over there.  We get the predicted change in direction, and the potential strength.  Canberra gets smoke blown in at night, but the firefighters get the predicted wind the day before, get the planes up early to spread retardant across where they think the fire will get blown.  Sat here watching them do on Saturday, a lovely morning.  In the afternoon, wind gets up and they got it spot on.  

Can't even believe these guys are trying to score petty points over it, it's 101.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bobj said:

Not quite. Very severe bushfires create their own wind...

https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/how-destructive-wildfires-create-their-own-weather/346337

Cheers, Bobj.

Yes, localised and random.  Not predicted prevailing winds though, which they do use to plan firefighting.


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9 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

So why when there is wind, but no fire,  is windy weather used as a predictor 

Science mate. Don't worry yourself.

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48 minutes ago, simmo said:

Science mate. Don't worry yourself.

As i suspected,  you are the one who actually has no clue then?  You can explain the science to me if you know any.

 

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22 hours ago, Dusty Plains said:

BTD. That may be true, seemingly at face value, but lets not, in the context of the prevailing  disaster in Australia, attempt to make political points scoring on the basis of the broader misery being felt nationally,  as some have clearly attempted to do. They should wait at least until we at least pop out of the smoke and review what has happened. 

I can only speak for the UK, it seemed obvious to me in the weeks after Grenfall that deregulation by the Conservatives over a number of years, alongside cuts to funding and the Tory obsession with cost cutting was the root cause of the disaster, whether that will be the finding of the inquiry is doubtful but without those fundamental actions then none of the other monumental errors would have been possible.

The cladding would not have been approved for use

The TMO, which had clowns as management, would not have come into existence

Politicians would not have been able to make decisions that should have been the responsibility of professional engineers and designers

It's  not political point scoring to point out that political ideologies and being beholden to vested interests has consequences for people, the people the politicians are elected to protect.

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The country isn't burning. You sound like the BBC.

 

It’s the same from all credible news outlets world wide, and Europeans. We tend to look at the bits where the greenery is, in and dive there isn’t much of it, the life fixing bits of the country are. Which means it is.

 

Unless it’s those fires in the dessert that are causing so much destruction nationwide that you are talking about. How remiss of me to miss that, important fact. The dessert must be on fire too otherwise it doesn’t count.

 

In the world of a toddler maybe.

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Understand Morrison’s religion, and you’ll understand why. 


Is he a part of some fanatical cult?

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They have never ignored climate change. You see thousands of installations of solar panels, solar farms, the same investment in wind turbines as anywhere else.
What they couldn't predict was the serious winds we had along with heatwaves. Also I heard someone on the radio who's involved in the enquiry say that 40% of the fires were found to be suspicious. That is some idiot started them.



Oh add oxygen is needed to start fires to that list.

Nothing to see here. It’s all to do with oxygen!

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No clue....



You said it first

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11 hours ago, Rallyman said:

Any works like that come under local building control, there must be a paper trail for who signed off on it . 

Not sure Building control would be involved as it is minor works which would be considered maintenance on an existing building, all down to the landlord and head leaseholder, leaseholders have to apply to the head leaseholder for agreement to carry out any works of a structural nature, the TMO's Technical officers should have had control of it. The TMO sound like a bunch of incompetents who were completely unaware of issues around maintaining a multi storey block, it seems that no one had a grip of anything.

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23 hours ago, Dusty Plains said:

BTD. That may be true, seemingly at face value, but lets not, in the context of the prevailing  disaster in Australia, attempt to make political points scoring on the basis of the broader misery being felt nationally,  as some have clearly attempted to do. They should wait at least until we at least pop out of the smoke and review what has happened. 

Hmmmmmmmm

Bloody unbelievable.

Embarrassing or what,  you simply couldn't make it up.

Point scoring!!

The idiocy is there for all to see, could they make themselves look any worse

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/04/coalition-mps-clash-over-climate-policy-in-first-partyroom-meeting-of-2020

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25 minutes ago, ssiri said:

 


Is he a part of some fanatical cult?

 

Yes, he is.  It’s called Pentecostalism 

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53 minutes ago, Bulya said:

Yes, he is.  It’s called Pentecostalism 

Yes, definitely seems a bit dodgy, would you normally trust someone who thinks spirits manifest themselves

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Religions - Christianity: Pentecostalism - BBC

· Pentecostalism is a form of Christianity that emphasises the work of the Holy Spirit and the direct experience of the presence of God by the believer. Pentecostals believe that faith must be powerfully experiential, and not something found merely through ritual or thinking. Pentecostalism is energetic and dynamic.

I find it a bit contradictory that a Christian has the attitudes which he seems to have but then maybe along with what seem to be quite fundamentalist thinking comes a degree of fatalism, reliance on a higher being, in that what will be will be, if that is the case then why is he a politician.

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According to recent data, the waters off eastern Tasmania are warming 2 to 4 times faster than the global average.  

Gretta Pecl, a professor and director of the Centre for Marine Socioecology at the University of Tasmania, says there are roughly 24 regions in the world that are considered ocean "hotspots" — known as a body of water in the top 10 per cent of ocean warming.

She says eastern Tasmania is "at the pointy end" of the scale and says other hotspots include the waters off the south-west of Madagascar, the Galapagos Islands, the Arctic Circle and the south western tip of Australia.

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I would not worry about the so called "science". Tasmania is about to enter its prominent bushfire season, namely February to April. Lets stick with history with a little bit of scinece thrown in. Science helps, no doubt

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On 10/02/2020 at 10:26, Dusty Plains said:

I would not worry about the so called "science". Tasmania is about to enter its prominent bushfire season, namely February to April. Lets stick with history with a little bit of scinece thrown in. Science helps, no doubt

ohhh dear, not a climate denier are we.


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On 04/02/2020 at 21:22, BacktoDemocracy said:

Yes, definitely seems a bit dodgy, would you normally trust someone who thinks spirits manifest themselves

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Religions - Christianity: Pentecostalism - BBC

· Pentecostalism is a form of Christianity that emphasises the work of the Holy Spirit and the direct experience of the presence of God by the believer. Pentecostals believe that faith must be powerfully experiential, and not something found merely through ritual or thinking. Pentecostalism is energetic and dynamic.

I find it a bit contradictory that a Christian has the attitudes which he seems to have but then maybe along with what seem to be quite fundamentalist thinking comes a degree of fatalism, reliance on a higher being, in that what will be will be, if that is the case then why is he a politician.

When you think about it, it is his religion which informed his decision to take his family to Hawaii.  In his thinking the fires are going to be an ‘Act of God’ and nothing to do with him.

Maybe he sees his role as a politician as to act as a barrier to interference in God’s work.

I find it hard to get into the thought processes and motivations of all religious fundamentalists.

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4 minutes ago, Gbye grey sky said:

When you think about it, it is his religion which informed his decision to take his family to Hawaii.  In his thinking the fires are going to be an ‘Act of God’ and nothing to do with him.

Maybe he sees his role as a politician as to act as a barrier to interference in God’s work.

I find it hard to get into the thought processes and motivations of all religious fundamentalists.

There are no thought processes, there can't be because fundamentalism demands blind faith as we see time and again.

There is no thinking or understanding of faith in a theological or broader sense of society and when one gets to the point of literal interpretation of religious tracts and visits by spirits then you as an individual have no control over events as you point out.

At that point I think there is a need for Scomo, and others, to explain just how he equates his beliefs with being leader of a secular, westernised country.

His religious beliefs seem to get very rubbery when it comes to staying in power and collecting his salary,

I suppose his view is its all part of the grand order of things and our 'maker' will make it all alright regardless of his actions

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There are no thought processes, there can't be because fundamentalism demands blind faith as we see time and again.

There is no thinking or understanding of faith in a theological or broader sense of society and when one gets to the point of literal interpretation of religious tracts and visits by spirits then you as an individual have no control over events as you point out.

At that point I think there is a need for Scomo, and others, to explain just how he equates his beliefs with being leader of a secular, westernised country.

His religious beliefs seem to get very rubbery when it comes to staying in power and collecting his salary,

I suppose his view is its all part of the grand order of things and our 'maker' will make it all alright regardless of his actions

Whats with those attacks on religion and calling religious people blind?

 

What about the Communist Soviet Union and Communist North Korea who force State Atheism in their people and burn churches and behead Christians. Do I then condemn all Atheists are soulless people who arent that smart due to the example of North Korea and the USSR?

 

How many people have Christianity killed vs the hundreds of Millions Communist State Atheism killed in Russia, China and North Korea?

 

You blabber about how evil religion is but turn a blind eye to the much worse situation we would have if there were no religion at all.

 

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Just a reminder this thread is about climate change in Australia, feel free to start another free to discuss various religions 

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On 04/02/2020 at 17:45, ssiri said:

 

It’s the same from all credible news outlets world wide, and Europeans. We tend to look at the bits where the greenery is, in and dive there isn’t much of it, the life fixing bits of the country are. Which means it is.

 

Unless it’s those fires in the dessert that are causing so much destruction nationwide that you are talking about. How remiss of me to miss that, important fact. The dessert must be on fire too otherwise it doesn’t count.

 

In the world of a toddler maybe.

No mate, there's thousands of square kilometres where the greenery is, as you put it, that are untouched by fire. Here in WA we were hardly affected. The rainforest in Queensland is older than the Amazon and mostly untouched.

The fires are mostly out now due to really heavy rain and floods. I guess the next headline will be the whole county's under water.

 

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7 hours ago, Gbye grey sky said:

When you think about it, it is his religion which informed his decision to take his family to Hawaii.  In his thinking the fires are going to be an ‘Act of God’ and nothing to do with him.

Maybe he sees his role as a politician as to act as a barrier to interference in God’s work.

I find it hard to get into the thought processes and motivations of all religious fundamentalists.

Don't you think his family and kids and possibly the reason they'd booked it ages ago, was more to do with him taking the holiday than anything to do with religion?

Wouldn't have made the fires go out any quicker if he'd stayed here would it? 

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