LindaH27 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 What it means is that there will be absolutely no contact at all from immi until you reach the top of the queue for your application.date. I applied June 2017 and I’m not expecting any contact at all until 2022/23 at the very earliest!! The first contact will be to ask for further details Form 80 etc, police clearances , Medicals etc. Then you start the AOS process which takes many months, 6 or more. until finally you get a visa hopefully! So for 2019 application (based on current expectations) there would potentially be no contact at all from immi until at least 2027 and possibly even longer. To renew the 870 you have to leave Australia for 90 days. If at the end of the 2nd five years you still don’t have the visa you would be back to getting temporary visitor visas. Its best to be realistic because immi don’t give enough information out so people have unrealistic views of wait times. 870 visas were introduced solely because the govt realised that wait times had blown out but made it so that 870 holders have no claim for financial or medical help - you have to be entirely self supporting and cannot use Medicare so need very good private health cover. Yes it’s better than NZ who suspended their parent visa program - but there’s always the fear that Australia could do something similar. It has in fact made retrospective changes to visas in the past so none of us knows what will happen in the future. There are currently 99 visas and there have been Govt investigations into changing that to just 10 visas - apparently we should hear before the end of the year but don’t hold your breath ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 (edited) With the renew part of the 870, one can renew it to stay for a cumulative maximum 10 year period. To do that one can get 5 years visa costing $10000 twice so total cost $20000 for 10 years. Now if someone applies for the 3 years 870 ($5000) they can only renew it for a maximum of 9 years (total cost $15000) i.e. 3 times 3 years visa OR 8 years with a second renewal of 5 years (cost $15000 again). So to gain an extra 1 year by going for 5 year twice they are paying $5000 more Of course if that is what any individual's circumstance allows, going away for 90 days in 3 years as oppose to in 5 years and also if the system doesn't change in the next 3-5 years when one is due to renew. Edited October 29, 2019 by Anks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 Don’t forget too that in order to renew the 870 visa you have to leave Australia for 90 days so 3 months out of Australia. If you have sold up at home you have to find somewhere to live whilst waiting to go back in. Also processing times appear to be 3 months or more so possibly could be out of Australia for longer maybe? It’s a new visa and we will have to see how it works in practice eg is it an automatic renewal or do they look again at your health and finances etc? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaP Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 1 minute ago, LindaH27 said: Don’t forget too that in order to renew the 870 visa you have to leave Australia for 90 days so 3 months out of Australia. If you have sold up at home you have to find somewhere to live whilst waiting to go back in. Also processing times appear to be 3 months or more so possibly could be out of Australia for longer maybe? It’s a new visa and we will have to see how it works in practice eg is it an automatic renewal or do they look again at your health and finances etc? Yep, that's a real worry for me as I have no idea where my Mum would go for that time. I just hope that her 143 is processed before her 5 year 870 expires. 143 applied June 2017, so I'm thinking it will be pretty tight, but this was the only option for her other than bringing her here then swapping to the onshore CPV and going back to the beginning of the queue again. We just have to hope for the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindaH27 Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 It would have been worse swopping to onshore CPV and starting the queue again! The days of 864 being processed more quickly than 143 have now gone. I too am a June 2017 applicant and will be discussing 870 with my daughter when I go over in December for a visit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted October 29, 2019 Share Posted October 29, 2019 I applied for my mum in July 2017 so not far off from both you which is already 27 months. And the processing of 870 is also going out of control when one thought that it would be an easy and quicker way to come and stay for long. I have recently applied for the 870 sponsorship and it was 4 months then it quickly its gone to 5 months and then the actual application for 62 days ie another 2 months so in total at least 7 months before we get 870. So according to these timelines would be thinking that the 3 years 870 might just be the one but who knows that the 143's 50 months can change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najma Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 16/10/2019 at 09:48, Sarishco said: My parents have been granted 870 visa. Thanks everyone for sharing information. Timeline: Sponsorship - 27/June Application submitted - 14/Aug more information requested - 25/Sep Sponsorship Approval 870 Visa- 25/Sep Application submitted, medical requested - 7/Oct second payment and health insurance requested - 9/Oct visa granted Hi there, Just checking if you have submitted the Form 80 along with Police clearence and other documents...? regards Naj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najma Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 16/10/2019 at 09:48, Sarishco said: My parents have been granted 870 visa. Thanks everyone for sharing information. Timeline: Sponsorship - 27/June Application submitted - 14/Aug more information requested - 25/Sep Sponsorship Approval 870 Visa- 25/Sep Application submitted, medical requested - 7/Oct second payment and health insurance requested - 9/Oct visa granted Hi there, Just checking if you have submitted the Form 80 along with Police clearence and other documents...? regards Naj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najma Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 On 28/10/2019 at 16:25, PrettyIsotonic said: Just updating a timeline in case useful to anyone: Sponsorship application - 11 June 2019 Sponsorship approval - 5 August 2019 870 lodged - 8 September 2019 CO contact for biometrics - 8 September 2019 CO contact for health checkup and police clearances - 18 September 2019 Grant - 28 October 2019. Previously a 3 year tourist visa was used (12 months stay, 6 months offshore within 18 month period) which has now been replaced, and a 143 visa (contributory parent) is currently processing in the background, that was lodged ~6 months before the 870. Hi there, Just checking if you have submitted the Form 80 along with Police clearence and other documents...? regards Naj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyIsotonic Posted October 31, 2019 Share Posted October 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Najma said: Hi there, Just checking if you have submitted the Form 80 along with Police clearence and other documents...? regards Naj Hi Najma - yes Form 80 was front loaded, the relevant police clearances were submitted once requested by the CO but I don't see why one could not front load those too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted November 3, 2019 Share Posted November 3, 2019 Hi All 870 sponsors/applicants, could you all please share timelines for these applications? just want to know what month is the DHA processing for both of these applications. I have updated my signature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaP Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 59 minutes ago, Anks said: Hi All 870 sponsors/applicants, could you all please share timelines for these applications? just want to know what month is the DHA processing for both of these applications. I have updated my signature. Timeline updated 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 @VictoriaP thanks for sharing your timeline... did the DHA gave you a reason to reject your sponsorship application the first time?? And I see that you are just one month ahead of my 143 application and you applied to the 5 year 870, you reckon it will be another 5 years before you get a CO call for the 143? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoriaP Posted November 4, 2019 Share Posted November 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Anks said: @VictoriaP thanks for sharing your timeline... did the DHA gave you a reason to reject your sponsorship application the first time?? And I see that you are just one month ahead of my 143 application and you applied to the 5 year 870, you reckon it will be another 5 years before you get a CO call for the 143? The first rejection was my fault as my taxable income (due to salary packaging) was just below the minimum requirement. I really don't think a 3 year 870 will be anywhere near long enough. Even if we get a CO in 3 years from now, we can all see how long it actually takes for approval from that point. End of 2015 applicants are only just being processed now and the processing times are only going to get longer. If we applied for the 3 year and then looked at extending, I don't have any family outside Australia that my Mum could live with for the approx 6 months it would take to apply/be approved for a further 870, so that wasn't an option. To be honest, I'm worried that the 143 approval will take even longer than the time we have until this 5 year 870 expires. Immigration move the goalposts constantly so nothing is certain, but we will have to deal with that if and when it happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted November 5, 2019 Share Posted November 5, 2019 (edited) Thanks @VictoriaP, I hear you regarding the way too long wait for the 143 and the dilemma and hassle if 3 years isn't going to cover the stay and wait for 143. I am still waiting for the sponsorship and maybe then will need to decide if I go for 3 or 5 years. Is there anything that you can suggest I can do while I'm waiting for the sponsorship to be approved so that I can save some time e.g. any forms or documents that I can start filling or gathering? Edited November 5, 2019 by Anks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Hi All, One of the documents to be provided for the application for 870 is the AFP NPC. Does anyone know what documents can we provide for a 100 points check for the AFP NPC if the applicant is non-Australian apart from the foreign passport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrettyIsotonic Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Anks said: Hi All, One of the documents to be provided for the application for 870 is the AFP NPC. Does anyone know what documents can we provide for a 100 points check for the AFP NPC if the applicant is non-Australian apart from the foreign passport Birth certificate + Bank statements? If you still can't cobble together 100 points of ID, the AFP FAQ says: I am unable to meet the identification requirements to make an application, what should I do? If you are unable to meet the identity requirements, you should contact us and depending on your circumstances we may be able to assist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 26 minutes ago, PrettyIsotonic said: Birth certificate + Bank statements? If you still can't cobble together 100 points of ID, the AFP FAQ says: I am unable to meet the identification requirements to make an application, what should I do? If you are unable to meet the identity requirements, you should contact us and depending on your circumstances we may be able to assist. Thanks @PrettyIsotonic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anks Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) Happy New year all, I have few queries regarding Form 80 for the applicant of 870 and was hoping if someone can assist. Question 17 - Address history for last 10 years, do we need to mention about Hotel accommodations for outside Australia as well for Holiday/Leisure trips? Question 21 - if the answer to this is No, do we still need to fill in questions 25-29 Question 24 - Are you applying for a temporary visa, I am unsure about this one as 870 is a temporary visa and the departure date section is unclear. What date do we need to put in here? Should I forecast a date in future eg 5 years later or something if I am applying for 5 year 870 visa. Any help is appreciated Edited January 2, 2020 by Anks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andylenghan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 143 lodged - September 2017 870 sponsor (3-year) lodged - 17/05/2019 sponsor granted- 26/07/2019 870 （3-year）lodged- 02/08/2019 still waiting..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN Victoria Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Hi all, I thought i'd share my experience and timelines as i found many of the posts useful when i was super anxious whilst waiting for the grant. Applied for sponsorship 20 Sep 2019 s56 Request for info came through for a new police check of myself 17 October 2019 Approval of sponsorship notification 25 November 2019 -------- Application submitted for temporary parent visa 12 Dec 2019 Acknowledgement and Biometrics request 12 Dec 2019 s56 Request for info came through for Polio Vaccine and Immigration Health Exams 23 Dec 2019 Completed Biometrics and health exams in that week and got the health examination status as complete but submitted for further assessment s56 Request for info came through on 02 Jan 2020 for a report from father's doctor and submitted that on 6 Jan 2020 Request for 2nd VAC (Visa application charge) and Evidence of Health Insurance requested on 16 Jan and i submitted same day Visa Granted same day soon after we paid for the 2nd VAc and provided evidence of Health Insurance on 16 Jan 2020. ---- The TPVS - temporary visa for parent section team are very supportive and responsive. Best wishes to all those on the forum who would like their parents to visit them. I am so grateful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SN Victoria Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Just now, SN Victoria said: Hi all, I thought i'd share my experience and timelines as i found many of the posts useful when i was super anxious whilst waiting for the grant. Applied for sponsorship 20 Sep 2019 s56 Request for info came through for a new police check of myself 17 October 2019 Approval of sponsorship notification 25 November 2019 -------- Application submitted for temporary parent visa 12 Dec 2019 Acknowledgement and Biometrics request 12 Dec 2019 s56 Request for info came through for Polio Vaccine and Immigration Health Exams 23 Dec 2019 Completed Biometrics and health exams in that week and got the health examination status as complete but submitted for further assessment s56 Request for info came through on 02 Jan 2020 for a report from father's doctor and submitted that on 6 Jan 2020 Request for 2nd VAC (Visa application charge) and Evidence of Health Insurance requested on 16 Jan and i submitted same day Visa Granted same day soon after we paid for the 2nd VAc and provided evidence of Health Insurance on 16 Jan 2020. ---- The TPVS - temporary visa for parent section team are very supportive and responsive. Best wishes to all those on the forum who would like their parents to visit them. I am so grateful. P.s. Previously 2 family visit visas were rejected because we did not provide enough evidence i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Dears, We are the stage when Home Affairs requested us to pay the 2nd VAC and arrange evidence of health cover. How should we approach evidence of health insurance arrangements? We are unsure of when exactly our parents will be moving to Australia on their 5y visa. It can be anytime over the next 3 to 6 months from now. Do we need to start paying monthly fees to the insurance company from the day we arrange for evidence? Or are there any options, something like preliminary contract for cover, which would kick in once our parents relocate - and be satisfactory to Home Affairs to grant the visas? Many thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Collett Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Have you spoken with the health insurers about this? Ask about paying a premium and suspending the commencement date of cover. Best regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arti Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Dear all I am a newbie here. I want to apply for the 870 visa for my parents and have the below questions - 1. For the taxation summary - if i apply for sponsorship in March 2020, I need to submit the taxation summary for the financial year ending June 2019 - is this correct? The reason I ask is I am overseas at the moment and will be out of Australia for upto a year on an overseas salary package that will not meet the minimum salary threshold. However up until January I have been employed in Australia for 5 years meeting the salary threshold. Please advise if this still makes me eligible? 2. For the AFP police clearance certificate - they ask for a "full disclosure certificate" - is this just the standard police clearance or do I need to apply for the one where fingerprints need to be submitted to the AFP as well? Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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