barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 gbye grey , IMO very few situations are complex but just different circumstances . you say yours was straightforward but have a child and hence might not be so . Why quote a case where someone is unmarried with a prospective bride in Russis as irrelevant if you had read my posts?? you were once unmarried and childless but now are not ! your sarcastic comment about me being genuine is infantile too. Somone's comment about a visa not being granted because of a minor genuine error is hard to believe . i wonder what the "error " was but again a point made to encourage use of an agent who is likley to make even more errors due to work overload . thosr are my GENUINE observations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 nemisis , you talk about UNUSUAL cases but mine would be far from unusual being an aussie with a foreign partner . If my partner was an aussie citizen or living permanently in OZ , she would not need a visa and that applies to everybody . no need to respond but please do not ASSUME a case is complex when nothing said to indicate that . good luck anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 skani, fair point you make and of course statistics have to be looked at sceptically I guess. but most people use an agent because they can not be bothered to spend a pot of time reading all the requirements on government site and also like someone to hold their hand through the process . nothing wrong with that and some might not be used to paperwork and lack an education and unable to spell for example . Most applicants are simply a fiancee of partner of an aussie citizen and nothing complex about their situation . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 this sums it up and it is made by a migration agent . many people not living permanently together until arrival in OZ simply because , almost by definition. they live in different countries until visa granted . Even for a PMV, a question is asked about WHY a couple are not living togther if a genuine relationship,. Silly question in a way of course . 5 – Long distance relationships can be hard to prove Peter Michalopoulos believes long distance relationships, in which partners aren’t cohabiting, can be a challenge to provide evidence for. “It’s important to explain that due to the nature of your relationship, you don’t have evidence of cohabitation, but you have other evidence that it is a genuine relationship,” Michalopoulos says. If you don’t have evidence of co-habitation, then it’s important to strengthen social and financial evidence, he adds. Tickets and bookings to show visits to each other and strong, detailed statements from family and friends, as well as an explanation of why you aren’t living together, will be important to verify a genuine relationship. RECOMMENDED: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 nemisis or anyone . much emphasis on this thread about UNUSUAL cases which need an agent. can anyone give example of an unusual situation as I think that 99% of cases are just the usual " man love woman " or "woman love man " and want to get visa to allow them to llive together in OZ .?? sometimes might be a child of course if aussie citizen had loved abroad with his partner and a returning resident . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 It has nothing to do with the feelings partners have for each other. It is about meeting the criteria and evidencing it thoroughly. A usual situation would be two adults, living together in a defacto relationship for more than 12 months, with shared financial commitments and accounts, lots of evidence of cohabitation and sharing every aspect of their lives. An unusual situation would be anything that differs from the above. In the first scenario the couple could easily evidence meeting the criteria on their own, in the second scenario the couple would find it difficult to meet the criteria and would therefore risk a visa rejection. In those circumstances spending a couple of grand to avoid wasting over 7 grand might be considered money well spent on a migration agent 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 ok, forget about feelings or love as can live together anyway. you are saying that almost every case is UNUSUAL but I disagree as more often than not the man and woman would be living in different countries which is precisely why applocant applies for a visa to live in OZ . Even if you are right , suggesting an agent makes no sense as the agent could not change the situation and the text I sent above shows what an agent says is needed and it is covered on the government site anyway , It is just common sense and sets out what evidence is needed giving examples . An applicant can not not change the impossible and an agent can not either. The key word you use is "difficult" but not impossible using COMMON SENSE , If an applicant has a very low IQ and devoid of common sense , then maybe needs an agent and professional advice in everything in life . I am not practical and have to pay a plumber even to fix a dripping tap unfortunately . Someome not capable of doung a visa application could fix my tap easily ! ( smile ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 and one can only give fiancial evidence which is possible such as joint bank accounts if country's law allows it , making a WIll with wifec as main beneficiary , second signature on debit and credit cards etc etc . A visa officer does not expect a man or woman to get diviorced and then become a fiancee just to beneft from easier conditions attached to a PMV ! hope not anyway . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 on migrant agent fees,, I thought it was more than $2000 nowadays but bow to your superior knowledge . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) I would like to change my advice! Do it all yourself, you evidently know all about it anyway. You must be an agent! Good luck. Edited July 1, 2019 by Jon the Hat 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 very funny and I actually think you are not joking . if folk want to use an agent , it is their business but I resent being constantly advised to use an agent as if I was not aware agents existed in almost every walk of life . i prefer not to use an agent and have never had a problem doing own conveyancing in last 45 years when buying or selling property which IMO is slightly more complex than doing a visa application . But painting or anthing practical is beyond me and i pay somebody to do such tasks . Good luck to you too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 and I am not really brilliant on computers even though I need a laptop for derivatives trading . But I just seek help from my clever daughter in Perth if I have an "uploading " or other problem when doing the visa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ali Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Respectfully - when you started the thread looking for advice, what were you hoping people would say/advise you? You seem to have taken umbrage because the advice hasn't been what you've wanted to hear. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 9 hours ago, barry said: I have never seen such pessimism about prospects of an application succeeding ! Most of the "regulars" on these forums joined when they were going through the visa process. We are still here because we have all become friends, so we enjoy chatting online. In the process we also try to help newcomers who arrive asking for advice. We're pessimistic because we've seen so many young couples come to these forums having been rejected even though their relationship sounds (to us, at least) perfectly genuine. Very often, it's because they failed to understand how demanding Immigration now is, and what a ridiculous amount of evidence they require before deigning to grant a visa. I have a close friend who is still struggling to bring her (genuine) husband to Australia, in circumstances which sound not dissimilar to yours. If your relationship were straightforward (already living together for some years, either married or de facto), I would not be urging you to use an agent and neither would anyone else. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, barry said: much emphasis on this thread about UNUSUAL cases which need an agent. can anyone give example of an unusual situation as I think that 99% of cases are just the usual " man love woman " or "woman love man " and want to get visa to allow them to llive together in OZ .?? . I feel you're being deliberately obtuse, Barry. In 99% of cases where "man loves woman" or "woman loves man", the couple have met and dated for a considerable period while living in the same country, and even in the same town. That applies just as much to Australian citizens and their foreign partner as to anyone else - most couples meet while the Australian was working in a foreign country, and the Australian partner usually chooses to remain in that country rather than leave their partner, until a partner visa can be obtained. If they met while the foreign partner was in Australia on a temporary visa, then they simply apply for a bridging visa to allow the partner to remain while the partner visa is considered. That is usual. Relationships where the two partners are in different countries are NOT the norm. Edited July 1, 2019 by Marisawright 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skani Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 Quote As an aussie citizen living in UK with a future wife who lives in Russia , trying ton comply with the undermentioned is almost impossible... Could this be a major prioblem .... Hoping someone will kindly comment To get back to your original query (above). Many of us have kindly commented: yes, it could be a major problem. Consequently we (none of us agents) recommend seeking assistance from a registered migration agent. If you do not wish to do this, you are quite free to lodge the application on your own without delay. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marisawright Posted July 1, 2019 Share Posted July 1, 2019 8 hours ago, barry said: . A visa officer does not expect a man or woman to get diviorced and then become a fiancee just to beneft from easier conditions attached to a PMV ! hope not anyway . Well actually, now that you mention it.....you can search on the forums, there was a case recently where someone had married their partner before applying for a visa, thinking it would make life easier, and then found that the evidence required for a partner visa was far more onerous than for the PMV, so he had made life more difficult for himself. So I suggest you research that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacGyver Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 If you are a genuine poster I wish you luck with your application, I hope you get the outcome you're looking for. I am not convinced you are genuine though as your replies seem unnecessarily abrasive and designed to get a rise out of others. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raul Senise Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 For those who are interested, here are some real statistics direct from The Department of Home Affairs showing refusal rates for partner applications not using a Registered Migration Agent. And for those who enjoy stats, here are the AAT appeal statistics. Appeals of refused partner visas applications continues to show high numbers. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 Marisa , you are just repeating the samw words you said earlier in response to my comment on visa offocer and of course still pishing me and others towards migration agents . Everyv response suggests using an agent without exception which speaks volumes . Even with PMVs , the couple have not known each other for ages and the length of a realtionship in a married situation does not mean it is a more genuine relationship obviously . If it did , why so many divorces ! I think that , whatever question I asked on this thread ,.would be answerdd by suggesting a migration agent ! Eg, is the whole process now done electronically or still necessary to post something to Immigration . I of course know the answer ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 i note the migration chooses years which suit his agenda . is he saying that stats I gave and from a sound source are doctored or lies . statistics, dam statistics as the expression goes ! ( smile ) . The stats on failed appeals include refugees and other categories and I think an appeal against decision on an OFFSHORE partner visa applications is not allowed but I might be wrong . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 as my highly intelligent daughter said " of course an agent will give many reasons why using him or her increases the chance of a successful outcome as it is his living but it is hardly an independant view " . i gave a few reasons in earlier post reasons why some people might wish to use an agent and good luck to them. I never use agents and always do own conveyancing saving myself many thousands of dollars over the years . An agent is just as likely or more likely to make an error as an applicant and , according to one post , a small inadvertant error can lead to a refusal - I seriously doubt that ! If so , even more vital to do the whole job yourself chaecking and re-checking every entry which an agent would not of course have time to do if he or she had a busy workload . where an agent might be useful is to give advice or his opinion on a matter which applicant wants a seciond opinion paying for time agent spends on the matter . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 macgyver- cheap shot and what are you on about talking about a person being genuine ?!! your comment was childish and are you a genuine human being or from Mars ? ( smile ). fancy bringing the word "genuine" into it and what is your MOTIVE for your insulting comment ? my replies are not abrasive and just saying what I think on matters and it is called " freedom of expression " . Maybe you are a brexiter and like Putin's managed democracy as some brexiters do ! ( smile ) . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 marisawright , so what thread was it on and was it on this site please ? I would be interested to read about it and I assume he still got his or her visa after a lot of hassle . thanking you 8 hours ago, Marisawright said: Well actually, now that you mention it.....you can search on the forums, there was a case recently where someone had married their partner before applying for a visa, thinking it would make life easier, and then found that the evidence required for a partner visa was far more onerous than for the PMV, so he had made life more difficult for himself. So I suggest you research that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry Posted July 2, 2019 Share Posted July 2, 2019 9 hours ago, Marisawright said: Most of the "regulars" on these forums joined when they were going through the visa process. We are still here because we have all become friends, so we enjoy chatting online. In the process we also try to help newcomers who arrive asking for advice. We're pessimistic because we've seen so many young couples come to these forums having been rejected even though their relationship sounds (to us, at least) perfectly genuine. Very often, it's because they failed to understand how demanding Immigration now is, and what a ridiculous amount of evidence they require before deigning to grant a visa. I have a close friend who is still struggling to bring her (genuine) husband to Australia, in circumstances which sound not dissimilar to yours. If your relationship were straightforward (already living together for some years, either married or de facto), I would not be urging you to use an agent and neither would anyone else. re. your final p[ara , even the governmemt site states it is whethe a realtionship is genuine and not just the time a couple have lived together . An old man could marry a very young woman and live together for years . the officer would still be suspicious in that situation and earlier posts talked about mail order brides which is obvious and no contribution to the debate but just being passimistic . One would think that only 10% of partner applications succeeded anD it is probably nearer 90 % . be positive and honest with immigration and success likely PLUS being very thorough . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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