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Boris has to face up to his lies, finally.

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1 hour ago, newjez said:

We don't have any good options.

I do think Boris is the least worse option.

Who do you think could be better?

Boris is probably the best because he will piss everybody off and make a giant faux pas which he won't be able to extricate himself from, job done

It really does not matter which of the numpties it is, the end result will be the same, a crisis.  This is only  the first hurdle, we still have to do a deal with the EU, where is the expertise for that and all those much talked about FTA's, 3 years wasted, confidence ebbing away and we are being inexorably drawn into the US's orbit.

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Boris is already lying again.

He won't sanction no-deal. No one will, they know it won't happen. They know it's not a good idea. He's lying to attract voters.  He's making promises to spend the leave money that will never happen or be available. He's crap, basically.

His drug record is the same as Gove's, yet the gutter Tory press has killed Gove.

He's racist, we all know that, it's proven.

He's the perfect Tory leader (lying, racist and conniving). No deal isn't going to happen whoever wins, ordinarily it would be worth appealing to Tory voters to avoid a Gobshite like this but they're beyond reproach these days.

As bad as they make Corbyn sound, it's hollow when everyone knows how bad they have ALREADY been.

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10 minutes ago, s713 said:

Boris is already lying again.

He won't sanction no-deal. No one will, they know it won't happen. They know it's not a good idea. He's lying to attract voters.  He's making promises to spend the leave money that will never happen or be available. He's crap, basically.

His drug record is the same as Gove's, yet the gutter Tory press has killed Gove.

He's racist, we all know that, it's proven.

He's the perfect Tory leader (lying, racist and conniving). No deal isn't going to happen whoever wins, ordinarily it would be worth appealing to Tory voters to avoid a Gobshite like this but they're beyond reproach these days.

As bad as they make Corbyn sound, it's hollow when everyone knows how bad they have ALREADY been.

What is now quite ironic is that the longer this drags on the less money the Tories have to fight an election and irony of ironies, the Conservative party that may elect Boris are already voting for Farage, AND many of the LOCAL Associations own the local party assets and are threatening to transfer them over to Farage, further weakening the party structure 

Whatever happens, there is one certainty, the Tory party is finished whether its now or in 3 years time. 

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I don't know about the Tory scum being finished soon or not. What I do know is, I saw weirdos on the news today saying that their old mate Boris (who hates them) will take them out of the EU with no-deal and save the Country 39bn pounds.

He won't.

And when that happens, and those pricks realise it, I hope there's one nearby that I can punch in the face.

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42 minutes ago, s713 said:

I don't know about the Tory scum being finished soon or not. What I do know is, I saw weirdos on the news today saying that their old mate Boris (who hates them) will take them out of the EU with no-deal and save the Country 39bn pounds.

He won't.

And when that happens, and those pricks realise it, I hope there's one nearby that I can punch in the face.

Can you please make it Corporal Francois please, I'm really begging make it him please.

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3 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Boris is probably the best because he will piss everybody off and make a giant faux pas which he won't be able to extricate himself from, job done

It really does not matter which of the numpties it is, the end result will be the same, a crisis.  This is only  the first hurdle, we still have to do a deal with the EU, where is the expertise for that and all those much talked about FTA's, 3 years wasted, confidence ebbing away and we are being inexorably drawn into the US's orbit.

He wasn't a great mayor, and was given credit for much of what Livingston did, but he was ok. I expect he will be similar as pm. A lot depends on the strength of his cabinet. Hopefully he won't do anything stupid.

I'm sort of hoping he will be ok as pm.

He is stuck with the EU without having an election. He is not going to want a no deal brexit. But we may get one as the EU have run out of patience.

But they will extend for a referendum, or a GE. That is a given. They will not renegotiate.

We are between many rocks and a hard place. Boris is the best soft rock. No one can put a better name forward.

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Boris is already lying again.

He won't sanction no-deal. No one will, they know it won't happen. They know it's not a good idea. He's lying to attract voters.  He's making promises to spend the leave money that will never happen or be available. He's crap, basically.

His drug record is the same as Gove's, yet the gutter Tory press has killed Gove.

He's racist, we all know that, it's proven.

He's the perfect Tory leader (lying, racist and conniving). No deal isn't going to happen whoever wins, ordinarily it would be worth appealing to Tory voters to avoid a Gobshite like this but they're beyond reproach these days.

As bad as they make Corbyn sound, it's hollow when everyone knows how bad they have ALREADY been.

 

 

With any luck they will call an election soon and we won’t be subjected to him, for too long. Thereby minimising the time he has in office to do real damage (or too much of it).

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9 minutes ago, ssiri said:

 

 

With any luck they will call an election soon and we won’t be subjected to him, for too long. Thereby minimising the time he has in office to do real damage (or too much of it).

He will win an election if he times it right.

If he can get rid of the DUP, he stands half a chance.

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He will win an election if he times it right.
If he can get rid of the DUP, he stands half a chance.



Getting the DUP ousted would be a step in the right direction....

I don’t want him winning any election though. So hopefully he gets ousted like Brown in Lab, and we get better on the Tory side. Not Corbyn either, of course, he needs ousting too.

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1 minute ago, ssiri said:

 

 


Getting the DUP ousted would be a step in the right direction....

I don’t want him winning any election though. So hopefully he gets ousted like Brown in Lab, and we get better on the Tory side. Not Corbyn either, of course, he needs ousting too.

 

 

Corbyn isn't going anywhere sadly.

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I'm guessing that John north isn't a fan,

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87266

But despite all that criticism, people seem to be forgetting the Boris brexit bonus, where BJ will give people like me on a good salary, even more money.

I think that fact balances a lot of the counter arguments. And no one can put forward a viable alternative.

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8 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Boris is probably the best because he will piss everybody off and make a giant faux pas which he won't be able to extricate himself from, job done

It really does not matter which of the numpties it is, the end result will be the same, a crisis.  This is only  the first hurdle, we still have to do a deal with the EU, where is the expertise for that and all those much talked about FTA's, 3 years wasted, confidence ebbing away and we are being inexorably drawn into the US's orbit.

We don't have to do any deal with the e.u or haven't you been listening .

The u.s trades with the e.u without a trade deal .

The standard e.u tariff on  non e.u goods is 4% .

That will do us - save us a bloody fortune .

When you talk about confidence ebbing away , blame the bloody remainers in Westminster for that .

And still the economy is doing well 

They could have backed Theresa May's deal , which wasn't ideal , but we would be out now .

Labour tried once again to block a no deal Brexit, yesterday in parliament , and failed .

I said over 12 months ago ( check out the posts ) , that boris would be the new leader , for how long I don't know .

Will he do a good job - who knows - he did a good job as London mayor , and oversaw a fantastic London Olympics. 

As long as he is around long enough to take us out of the e.u , hopefully on a no deal .

That will do me - that's what I voted for 

 

 


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4 hours ago, newjez said:

Who are you talking about?

Mark Francois 


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52 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

We don't have to do any deal with the e.u or haven't you been listening .

The u.s trades with the e.u without a trade deal .

The standard e.u tariff on  non e.u goods is 4% .

That will do us - save us a bloody fortune .

When you talk about confidence ebbing away , blame the bloody remainers in Westminster for that .

And still the economy is doing well 

They could have backed Theresa May's deal , which wasn't ideal , but we would be out now .

Labour tried once again to block a no deal Brexit, yesterday in parliament , and failed .

I said over 12 months ago ( check out the posts ) , that boris would be the new leader , for how long I don't know .

Will he do a good job - who knows - he did a good job as London mayor , and oversaw a fantastic London Olympics. 

As long as he is around long enough to take us out of the e.u , hopefully on a no deal .

That will do me - that's what I voted for 

 

 

That is factually incorrect. Just because a country doesn't have a free trade agreement does not imply that they are trading under WTO, and by stating such you either a) don't understand what you are talking about, or b) are being deliberately misleading.

Free trade agreements are almost never built from scratch. They generally a coming together of many smaller agreements. You should at least understand the basics if you are going to comment on them.

Boris is already backtracking on his leave in October promises and we have barely started. He will be forced to have a general election, based on promises of by passing the DUP if he can get a majority. By screwing the unionists, he will be able to fudge May's deal through.

I still doubt he will leave by Oct, but maybe by year end. What agreement we will have going forwards is yet to be seen. We haven't even renegotiated our current trade deals under the EU, so leaving in Oct was always a wish.

I know you weally weally want your hard brexit, but you won't get it with Boris, and the hard brexitiers aren't really in the running.

Boris is a false god to you. You may as well hear it now.

But from my perspective, as I fall into the economic bracket of most Tory members, Boris is going to make me rich with his Boris brexit bonus!

He's my god, not yours!

 

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2 hours ago, newjez said:

I'm guessing that John north isn't a fan,

http://www.eureferendum.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=87266

But despite all that criticism, people seem to be forgetting the Boris brexit bonus, where BJ will give people like me on a good salary, even more money.

I think that fact balances a lot of the counter arguments. And no one can put forward a viable alternative.

Isn't it a fact, doesn't it tell us something when not one candidate appeals, the only reason you are enamoured of Boris is that he has done what the worst of politicians do, made a promise to his supporters that they want to hear, safe in the knowledge that the Chancellor will never allow it.

So how much lower can we get. I don’t think you need worry about Corbyn, the real threat is going to be Farage, he will exploit the disaffection which is now a major factor across the country.

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22 hours ago, newjez said:

That is factually incorrect. Just because a country doesn't have a free trade agreement does not imply that they are trading under WTO, and by stating such you either a) don't understand what you are talking about, or b) are being deliberately misleading.

Free trade agreements are almost never built from scratch. They generally a coming together of many smaller agreements. You should at least understand the basics if you are going to comment on them.

Boris is already backtracking on his leave in October promises and we have barely started. He will be forced to have a general election, based on promises of by passing the DUP if he can get a majority. By screwing the unionists, he will be able to fudge May's deal through.

I still doubt he will leave by Oct, but maybe by year end. What agreement we will have going forwards is yet to be seen. We haven't even renegotiated our current trade deals under the EU, so leaving in Oct was always a wish.

I know you weally weally want your hard brexit, but you won't get it with Boris, and the hard brexitiers aren't really in the running.

Boris is a false god to you. You may as well hear it now.

But from my perspective, as I fall into the economic bracket of most Tory members, Boris is going to make me rich with his Boris brexit bonus!

He's my god, not yours!

 

Iam reading shite post after shite post , from 3 or 4 posters on here .

For the record , in big letters .

THE U.K VOTED TO LEAVE THE E.U - THIS WAS TRIGGERED FOR US TO LEAVE ON MARCH 29TH 2019 - DEAL OR NO DEAL .

Legally , we should be out of the e.u by now .

Taking no deal off the table at the beginning , is so ridiculous 

You start from a position of no deal , and take it from there , not the other way around 

You don't go to buy a new car for 50k , and start by saying I tell you what , I will pay 55k , and I will pay and  service the car myself - madness .

Britains economy is already doing well , IN SPITE of Brexit,  as the BBC likes to call it .

And will do even better , outside of the e.u .

I think ultimately , the e.u will fail , and it will fall .

I said , way back , as the e.u gets further into trouble , the powers that be in Brussels, wont stop and think about the abyss they are heading for , they will just go for further integration of the super state , which will lead to its downfall .

Real socialists like Arthur scargill , and Dennis skinner are very much anti e.u , because they can see the damage mass immigration via the e.u , is doing to wages , and hard fought for terms and conditions .

These complaints are being echoed all across western Europe 

Quicker we are out , the better .

In terms of politicians or anyone else for that matter , the only person I look up to , and rely on , is the person i look at in the mirror in the morning .

Unlike others on here who are waiting for Jeremy Corbyn or Vince cable to put it right - it wont happen .

The only way for Britain to survive the next oncoming global financial hit , is to be a sovereign independent country.

When that hits , the e.u as 27 will break up anyway .

 

 

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Corbyn isn't going anywhere sadly.


Sadly. Labour need to do a 1922 on him.

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Do the usual suspects still think Boris isn’t going to win?

 

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I think everyone thought he would win, that doesn't stop him being an embarrassing idiot. It also doesn't change the picture that he won't carry out what he is running on, namely, he won't do a no-deal (no-one will) and therefore he won't have the 'saved' 39BN to give his millionaire chums yet more tax breaks. Other than that, as you were.

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2 hours ago, ssiri said:

 


Sadly. Labour need to do a 1922 on him.

 

Very sadly the extremists in both parties have now left the doors to the grand house wide open after burning down the stable block,  it is irrelevant, the door is wide open for Farage.

The Tory Right won't compromise and the extreme of Labour left, it seems, want no deal, so we will have Farage allied with the far right in charge, Corbyn is unassailable untill an election.

 

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36 minutes ago, s713 said:

I think everyone thought he would win, that doesn't stop him being an embarrassing idiot. It also doesn't change the picture that he won't carry out what he is running on, namely, he won't do a no-deal (no-one will) and therefore he won't have the 'saved' 39BN to give his millionaire chums yet more tax breaks. Other than that, as you were.

I can't imagine why he wouldn't do that. He definitely should.

He doesn't have to do anything and no deal will just happen by default.


I want it all, and I want it now.

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4 hours ago, Parley said:

I can't imagine why he wouldn't do that. He definitely should.

He doesn't have to do anything and no deal will just happen by default.

None of the (serious) candidates will let a no-deal happen. Those who say they would are lying. Whoever wins will attempt to start negotiating again and will extend again. Nap.

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6 hours ago, Parley said:

Do the usual suspects still think Boris isn’t going to win?

 

It's pretty hard to see how he can't. Unless there is a skeleton in his closet, and let's face it, he's pretty much been outed for everything, or someone takes a shot at him, or they let him speak.

He's pretty much a dead cert.

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