Before Brexit

[starlight7 4,199]

Here in Australia we heard very, very little about the UK unless there was some extraordinary weather event and even then, only a couple of minutes.  The place was not on the radar at all. Interesting that now it is mentioned at least once a day complete with tv coverage. 

[simmo 22,091]

Yeah right...

[unzippy 4,112]

A distraction technique, to take the spotlight off Aus politics

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10 hours ago, unzippy said:

A distraction technique, to take the spotlight off Aus politics

I thought that was the whole point of Australian politics, it is the most costly Soap Opera in the world with a completely captive audience. 

[Perthbum 5,725]

21 hours ago, starlight7 said:

Here in Australia we heard very, very little about the UK unless there was some extraordinary weather event and even then, only a couple of minutes.  The place was not on the radar at all. Interesting that now it is mentioned at least once a day complete with tv coverage. 

Australia is never mentioned over here unless a shark makes lunch of someone.

[starlight7 4,199]

Too far in both instances. We hear more about Indonesia, New Zealand and other Asian countries. Which I guess makes sense. When we first came we were shocked that the UK didn’t figure but the USA very much did. That guy who does the railway program also brings some  publicity to the old country .

[bunbury61 4,218]

23 hours ago, starlight7 said:

Here in Australia we heard very, very little about the UK unless there was some extraordinary weather event and even then, only a couple of minutes.  The place was not on the radar at all. Interesting that now it is mentioned at least once a day complete with tv coverage. 

You will be hearing a lot more about it as well .

This isn't over - Brexit I mean .

Trust me , people are quietly seething about the carry on and betrayal by Westminster. 

I naively thought some form of Brexit would be delivered .

You realise that was never on the cards .

Labour and the Tories will be decimated at the next local elections .

I can only speak from my friends of varying ages in brum and solihull - they don't believe the mainstream media sources anymore .

If the elites and the powers that be ,were hoping this would all quietly and gently go away ,they were sadly mistaken .

This is a sore that cannot be healed , trust is broken now .

There won't be trouble on the streets over this , but this wont be healed in the short term .

Both Tory and labour volunteers ,canvassing in various neighbourhoods across the country , are facing various levels of abuse .

Expect more news from the u.k 

Where is Oliver Cromwell when you need him

 

[bunbury61 4,218]

2 hours ago, Perthbum said:

Australia is never mentioned over here unless a shark makes lunch of someone.

That is true p.b 

Or if there is an extreme weather pattern , such as the Brisbane floods 

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1 hour ago, bunbury61 said:

That is true p.b 

Or if there is an extreme weather pattern , such as the Brisbane floods 

There’s a bit on the bbc website today about the federal election funnily enough.

[Slean Wolfhead 3,587]

 

8 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

You will be hearing a lot more about it as well .

This isn't over - Brexit I mean .

Trust me , people are quietly seething about the carry on and betrayal by Westminster. 

It was never on the cards because it was never possible, based on what was "promised" by a bunch of jerks who had no right to promise you anything.  They sowed the seeds of this misplaced triumphalism and the "snowflake" politics of insult, and it has proven to be a humiliating mistake. 

You have the absurd scenario of the poor working class, following elitists like Farage and Rees Mogg, who complain about "the elite" when they have spent their entire lives as part of that elite. Their whole lives have been about transferring wealth from the poor to the rich.  And the poor voted for them, based on a bunch of slogans and barefaced lies ?

The problem with the UK is UK made, and can only be solved by the UK.  People continually vote to their disadvantage and are swayed by identity politics, rather than knuckling down and working out what is actually good for them. Until that changes, you are fecked eternally.  

Brexit is just a sideshow and of minor importance in the big picture.

What is the national plan and roadmap for the future of the United Kingdom?  We do not have one and have been stumbling along since WWII with no stated purpose, the decline in influence has been continual.  We have people bleating about the "world's 5th largest economy" even as they drive their cars through potholed streets and find that public transport is too expensive for them.  Wake up to where the money's been going...it's not being invested in the people or the country, neither their health, their education, their opportunities,, or their prospects.

What is the constitution of the United Kingdom?  We have no written constitution for the public to know their rights and objectives.  Why don't we have one?  Because that would give the "people" more control.  The biggest fallacy in Brexit was the notion of "taking back control" and the psychological warfare waged on the brexit voters by their supposed champions.  The people never had control in the first place, and it would not be coming back to them.

This is from Corbyn's speech today and even if you don't like him, it's hard to escape the truth :

Quote

 

"Labour doesn't believe the real divide in society is between people who voted to remain or to leave the European Union.

"We believe the real divide is between the many - who do the work, create the wealth and pay their taxes - and the few - who set the rules, reap the rewards and dodge their taxes."

 

Sort that lot out, and you sort out everything.  Now who do you vote for?

[Parley 7,979]

I think there is always some limited coverage in Australia of UK news and vice versa.

It is no secret there are a lot of British people in Australia, and lots of us have families in the UK.

So I think we always do get some news.

I see quite a lot of stories n BBC website about Australia too. It is funny sometimes when you see a story on BBC about Australia that has had no coverage in Australia.

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8 minutes ago, Parley said:

I see quite a lot of stories n BBC website about Australia too. It is funny sometimes when you see a story on BBC about Australia that has had no coverage in Australia.

Ashes coming up.......

[Peach 3,285]

36 minutes ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

It was never on the cards because it was never possible, based on what was "promised" by a bunch of jerks who had no right to promise you anything.  They sowed the seeds of this misplaced triumphalism and the "snowflake" politics of insult, and it has proven to be a humiliating mistake. 

You have the absurd scenario of the poor working class, following elitists like Farage and Rees Mogg, who complain about "the elite" when they have spent their entire lives as part of that elite. Their whole lives have been about transferring wealth from the poor to the rich.  And the poor voted for them, based on a bunch of slogans and barefaced lies ?

I seldom post anymore, but this ^^^^..... The folk that voted for this mess need to take some responsibility, it is not May's fault that they're not getting the type of Brexit they wanted (with fairies and unicorns).... 

[Toots 12,611]

9 hours ago, Amber Snowball said:

There’s a bit on the bbc website today about the federal election funnily enough.

I'm sick to death of hearing about it already.  

[Saurer Pfirsich 707]

On 12/04/2019 at 23:02, starlight7 said:

Here in Australia we heard very, very little about the UK unless there was some extraordinary weather event and even then, only a couple of minutes.  The place was not on the radar at all. Interesting that now it is mentioned at least once a day complete with tv coverage. 

That’s about right in my experience. I think most Australians have zero or next to zero interest in the UK, and most Brits likewise with regard to Australia. Friends and family back home generally have no sense of Australian geography and so will get in touch if there are cyclones in Queensland or bush fires in country Victoria which result in fatalities, but have no other interest in the place. 

That’s to be expected though. Surely what happens with your nearest neighbours is far more important than with some country on the other side of the world, with whom you used to have a colonial relationship but you don’t really have that much to do with nowadays?

[newjez 10,752]

1 hour ago, Saurer Pfirsich said:

That’s about right in my experience. I think most Australians have zero or next to zero interest in the UK, and most Brits likewise with regard to Australia. Friends and family back home generally have no sense of Australian geography and so will get in touch if there are cyclones in Queensland or bush fires in country Victoria which result in fatalities, but have no other interest in the place. 

That’s to be expected though. Surely what happens with your nearest neighbours is far more important than with some country on the other side of the world, with whom you used to have a colonial relationship but you don’t really have that much to do with nowadays?

Well, you would have thought so.

But that's sort of what brexit is about isn't it. Harking back to something that never really existed in the first place.

[newjez 10,752]

17 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

This isn't over - Brexit I mean .

Been delayed until Oct. But it will never be over.

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12 hours ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

 

It was never on the cards because it was never possible, based on what was "promised" by a bunch of jerks who had no right to promise you anything.  They sowed the seeds of this misplaced triumphalism and the "snowflake" politics of insult, and it has proven to be a humiliating mistake. 

You have the absurd scenario of the poor working class, following elitists like Farage and Rees Mogg, who complain about "the elite" when they have spent their entire lives as part of that elite. Their whole lives have been about transferring wealth from the poor to the rich.  And the poor voted for them, based on a bunch of slogans and barefaced lies ?

The problem with the UK is UK made, and can only be solved by the UK.  People continually vote to their disadvantage and are swayed by identity politics, rather than knuckling down and working out what is actually good for them. Until that changes, you are fecked eternally.  

Brexit is just a sideshow and of minor importance in the big picture.

What is the national plan and roadmap for the future of the United Kingdom?  We do not have one and have been stumbling along since WWII with no stated purpose, the decline in influence has been continual.  We have people bleating about the "world's 5th largest economy" even as they drive their cars through potholed streets and find that public transport is too expensive for them.  Wake up to where the money's been going...it's not being invested in the people or the country, neither their health, their education, their opportunities,, or their prospects.

What is the constitution of the United Kingdom?  We have no written constitution for the public to know their rights and objectives.  Why don't we have one?  Because that would give the "people" more control.  The biggest fallacy in Brexit was the notion of "taking back control" and the psychological warfare waged on the brexit voters by their supposed champions.  The people never had control in the first place, and it would not be coming back to them.

This is from Corbyn's speech today and even if you don't like him, it's hard to escape the truth :

Sort that lot out, and you sort out everything.  Now who do you vote for?

Absolutely spot on, the people have been well and truly rogered with more yet to come a la Trump.

This article posted by Mcgyver originally spells it out as well

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the-problem-with-the-english-england-doesn-t-want-to-be-just-another-member-of-a-team-1-4851882

[bunbury61 4,218]

21 hours ago, Peach said:

I seldom post anymore, but this ^^^^..... The folk that voted for this mess need to take some responsibility, it is not May's fault that they're not getting the type of Brexit they wanted (with fairies and unicorns).... 

Sorry peach , the responsibility rests with parliament .

17.4 million people voted to leave the e.u 

All various forms of leaving are just a fudge to muddy the waters.

What I voted for ,and millions of others ,is now called no deal, it was that simple .

Not Canada plus with a cherry on the top .

Westminster is now shitting itself , desperately trying to get some form of so called deal signed off ,before labour and the Tories  get wiped out in forthcoming local elections. 

 

 

[Peach 3,285]

59 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

Sorry peach , the responsibility rests with parliament .

17.4 million people voted to leave the e.u 

All various forms of leaving are just a fudge to muddy the waters.

What I voted for ,and millions of others ,is now called no deal, it was that simple .

Not Canada plus with a cherry on the top .

Westminster is now shitting itself , desperately trying to get some form of so called deal signed off ,before labour and the Tories  get wiped out in forthcoming local elections. 

 

 

But is a mess, no?

[Slean Wolfhead 3,587]

50 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

Sorry peach , the responsibility rests with parliament .

17.4 million people voted to leave the e.u 

All various forms of leaving are just a fudge to muddy the waters.

What I voted for ,and millions of others ,is now called no deal, it was that simple .

Not Canada plus with a cherry on the top .

Westminster is now shitting itself , desperately trying to get some form of so called deal signed off ,before labour and the Tories  get wiped out in forthcoming local elections. 

The responsibility does lie with Parliament and they are replicating the feelings of the country exactly, that is their role, but the overriding purpose is to protect the national interest which trumps an advisory referendum.

That is the point of argument.  What you're saying differs with other Leave voters, who now don't want to Leave on suicidal terms because of the way they were misled.  Even ignoring that, if the future looked to be rosy, there may be no reason to fear No Deal.  But there is, and you know it, and don't care.  There is no plan and nobody interested in No Deal, apart from those who will do nothing to make it a success.

You're happy for others to shoulder the burden that you once claimed and now tell them that they voted for it and must share the misery.  They disagree with you. And you'e bound together. 

It's a Leaver argument which Parliament and pretty much the whole country has realised is tarnished, so is protecting the national interest and status quo by observing no progress.

[bunbury61 4,218]

17 hours ago, Slean Wolfhead said:

The responsibility does lie with Parliament and they are replicating the feelings of the country exactly, that is their role, but the overriding purpose is to protect the national interest which trumps an advisory referendum.

That is the point of argument.  What you're saying differs with other Leave voters, who now don't want to Leave on suicidal terms because of the way they were misled.  Even ignoring that, if the future looked to be rosy, there may be no reason to fear No Deal.  But there is, and you know it, and don't care.  There is no plan and nobody interested in No Deal, apart from those who will do nothing to make it a success.

You're happy for others to shoulder the burden that you once claimed and now tell them that they voted for it and must share the misery.  They disagree with you. And you'e bound together. 

It's a Leaver argument which Parliament and pretty much the whole country has realised is tarnished, so is protecting the national interest and status quo by observing no progress.

Sorry Shane,  we had a one off , once in a lifetime vote .

Both labour and the Tories vowed to honour the result AND article 50 was passed by a huge majority in the house of commons , to leave the e.u on March 29 th 2019.

All this bs about various forms of Brexit,  soft , hard , Norway plus etc , is a creation of remainers ,inside and outside of Westminster. 

It is that simple , we should have left by now .

And yes iam prepared for the short term hit .

In terms of a 2,and referendum , which again is bs .

If it was to take place , all forms of remain shouldn't be on the ballot paper , 

THE UK HAS ALREADY VOTED TO LEAVE THE E.U .

 

 

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19 hours ago, bunbury61 said:

Sorry peach , the responsibility rests with parliament .

17.4 million people voted to leave the e.u 

All various forms of leaving are just a fudge to muddy the waters.

What I voted for ,and millions of others ,is now called no deal, it was that simple .

Not Canada plus with a cherry on the top .

Westminster is now shitting itself , desperately trying to get some form of so called deal signed off ,before labour and the Tories  get wiped out in forthcoming local elections. 

 

 

Lets start with the facts

The referendum was demanded by a bunch of nationalist xenophobes who have been holding the country to ransom for 40 years.

Cameron was warned about the risks of  a referendum and ignored the risks and the advice.

A number of bright economists, academics and business people warned about the serious consequences of a vote to leave the EU in terms of business confidence and the UK's vulnerability in the world market place of tariffs.

Historians and economists pointed out that the UK was unprepared to face up to its world position as a post imperial power with little manufacturing industry  and an over reliance on domestic consumption of imports fuelled by borrowing

The BOf E tried to point out that our pre eminence in the financial world was built on a cosy relationship with the USA and the EU, and that anything which might disrupt that could have serious consequences for Britain's economy as FS's had become the backbone of the UK's economy due to deregulation of the Financial sector by successive UK govts..

 

None of which has actually changed as we have watched our govt trying to square a circle which simply cannot be squared given those facts, 

So we are still where we were 3 years ago  with irreconcilable facts which a number of MP's will not ignore just so a  a bunch of nationalist zealots can fulfil their fantasy of some kind of Second Empire.

When are people going to wake up.

All of this nonsense about elites and exploitation and sovereignty are just a tilt for power by a group who are delusional about our place in history.

And what is just so sad is that if after the war the people at the top had been willing to share power and had not just wanted to enrich themselves the country could have actually achieved greatness!

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2 hours ago, BacktoDemocracy said:

Lets start with the facts

The referendum was demanded by a bunch of nationalist xenophobes who have been holding the country to ransom for 40 years.

Cameron was warned about the risks of  a referendum and ignored the risks and the advice.

A number of bright economists, academics and business people warned about the serious consequences of a vote to leave the EU in terms of business confidence and the UK's vulnerability in the world market place of tariffs.

Historians and economists pointed out that the UK was unprepared to face up to its world position as a post imperial power with little manufacturing industry  and an over reliance on domestic consumption of imports fuelled by borrowing

The BOf E tried to point out that our pre eminence in the financial world was built on a cosy relationship with the USA and the EU, and that anything which might disrupt that could have serious consequences for Britain's economy as FS's had become the backbone of the UK's economy due to deregulation of the Financial sector by successive UK govts..

 

None of which has actually changed as we have watched our govt trying to square a circle which simply cannot be squared given those facts, 

So we are still where we were 3 years ago  with irreconcilable facts which a number of MP's will not ignore just so a  a bunch of nationalist zealots can fulfil their fantasy of some kind of Second Empire.

When are people going to wake up.

All of this nonsense about elites and exploitation and sovereignty are just a tilt for power by a group who are delusional about our place in history.

And what is just so sad is that if after the war the people at the top had been willing to share power and had not just wanted to enrich themselves the country could have actually achieved greatness!

More bs , putting over your opinions as FACTS .

You really do take the biscuit .

Nearly 3 years on here , putting over your point view as fact ,it is not 

Mervyn king the former governor of the bank of England,  is very much in favour of a no deal Brexit. 

You talk of nationalists and fascists , in relation to the people who voted Brexit. 

This was a free democratic vote ,you clown .

And once again , you lost .

Would you call George Galloway,  Dennis skinner or Tony Benn nazis ?

All prominent brexiteers , who foresaw the damage that is now unfolding on the continent of Europe. 

Where are still where we were 3 years ago because we have a prime minister who is a remainer , and most of parliament are remainers .

They called for a democratic vote. and bloody lost .

Now they are trying every which way to reverse the decision 

Soft Brexit,  another referendum , dear me .

The elephant in the room ,though , is farage .

If the e.u elections go ahead , he will wreak havoc on the Tories and labour .

The people know what they voted for , it's just the politicians , who are trying to throw up a smoke screen .

The 17.4 million people are not going away , and not changing their minds either .

A deal will be cobbled together , because the e.u have enough on their plate ,without a large group of Brexit party meps , sitting in the e.u parliament .

Westminster voted to trigger article 50 ,and leave on March 29th 2019 , it's not complicated .

If a deal had been arranged in the meantime , good , if not , we leave .

Where is Oliver Cromwell or Winston Churchill when you need them ?.

Instead of this bunch of weak , selfish bstards .

As I said , I will post again when the e.u is on its arse , it wont be long 

 

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57 minutes ago, bunbury61 said:

More bs , putting over your opinions as FACTS .

You really do take the biscuit .

Nearly 3 years on here , putting over your point view as fact ,it is not 

Mervyn king the former governor of the bank of England,  is very much in favour of a no deal Brexit. 

You talk of nationalists and fascists , in relation to the people who voted Brexit. 

This was a free democratic vote ,you clown .

And once again , you lost .

Would you call George Galloway,  Dennis skinner or Tony Benn nazis ?

All prominent brexiteers , who foresaw the damage that is now unfolding on the continent of Europe. 

Where are still where we were 3 years ago because we have a prime minister who is a remainer , and most of parliament are remainers .

They called for a democratic vote. and bloody lost .

Now they are trying every which way to reverse the decision 

Soft Brexit,  another referendum , dear me .

The elephant in the room ,though , is farage .

If the e.u elections go ahead , he will wreak havoc on the Tories and labour .

The people know what they voted for , it's just the politicians , who are trying to throw up a smoke screen .

The 17.4 million people are not going away , and not changing their minds either .

A deal will be cobbled together , because the e.u have enough on their plate ,without a large group of Brexit party meps , sitting in the e.u parliament .

Westminster voted to trigger article 50 ,and leave on March 29th 2019 , it's not complicated .

If a deal had been arranged in the meantime , good , if not , we leave .

Where is Oliver Cromwell or Winston Churchill when you need them ?.

Instead of this bunch of weak , selfish bstards .

As I said , I will post again when the e.u is on its arse , it wont be long 

 

The EU has had a load of UKIP MEP's,  they just used to empty the chamber when they spoke, problem solved.

You do realise Cromwell cut off the kings head and outlawed the monarchy and dissolved Parliament.

Gosh you are not going to post until the EU collapses, can we get that in writing

Spoiler alert, comedy, tongue in cheek. 

Do you bother to read any comments or do you just post what you want to believe irrespective.

How can the subject ever be discussed

What you have just posted verifies my contention that this whole Brexit thing has just been a fabrication  by xenaphobic nationalists.

If I could see the funny side of it I would be rolling in the aisles.

Edited April 15, 2019 by BacktoDemocracy